Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon - Mecha, Weapons, and Technology

[NightWish]

As the title suggests, the purpose of this thread is to discuss Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon Mecha, Weapons, and Technology

Please keep discussion about plot and storylines in the relevant Episode Discussion threads, not here. It's also a good idea that this thread discuss things that have shown up in the anime, manga or light novel - discussion of things that have only been announced should stay in the appropriate thread.

Note that because of the nature of this thread, there may be spoilers for non-anime Kyoukai Senjou no Horizon works. Please keep such spoilers to a minimum, and use well-titled spoiler tags whenever possible.

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[Kusa-San]

Can someone tell me which nation and which characters have the Armor of Deadly Sins ?

[Chaos2Frozen]

Similar to IS before, it would be better for someone to post a glossary here for all the technical stuff in the first page for easy reference

[Marcus H.]

HEAVY SPOILER WARNING!

Spoiler for The Eight Great Dragon Kings:

• Phyogos Gastrimargia [Gluttony] - Matias, M.H.R.R.
• Steisos Porneia [Lust] - Innocentius, K.P.A. Italia
• Aspiza Phylargia [Avarice] - Thomas Shakespeare, England
• Lype Kataslypsi [Anguish] - Muneshige Tachibana, Tres España
• Maska Orge [Wrath] - Malfa Volekaya, Svet Russia
• Akedia Kataslypsi [Dejection] - Queen Juana, Tres España
• Phuos Kenodoxia [Pride] - Terumoto Mouri, Hexagone Francaise
• Phuos Hyperiphania [Arrogance] - King Louis XIV, Hexagone Francaise
• Olos Phthonos [Jealousy] - Horizon Ariadust/P-01s, Musashi

EDIT: Muneshige is from Tres, not K.P.A. Thanks for the heads-up, articuzwolf.

[Kunagisa]

There are 2 types of activation shown so far for Deadly Sin Armaments.

Normal Activation/通常駆動: Base weapon attack, consumes a certain amount of fuel
Overdrive Activation/超過駆動: As name suggests, the stronger attack, consumes huge amount of fuel, can't be spammed.

Spoiler for a bit more:

Soul Activation/魂の駆動: unleash the power of the weapon at 100%, can only be activated by one being ...

Tonbokiri/Dragonfly Cutter is the prototype to both Lype and Akedia; it has a Normal Activation along with a unique Superior Activation/上位駆動. This is the one that allows Tadakatsu to cut concepts, such as north. In a (x,y) coordinate system, you stand at the origin, then cut x by 15, you'll be at 15,0).

Spoiler for Novel:

Muneshige's Godspeed name was also cut by Tadakatsu as well.

DSAs do not have the Superior Activation, probably because that function is replaced by Overdrive. When Muneshige use his normal activation, Tadakatsu cancelled it by reflecting it back.

[Mazus]

Will any of the other prototypes (if there are any) be showcased in the anime? Or have they yet to make an appearance in the novels?

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

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Muneshige's Godspeed name was also cut by Tadakatsu as well.

Spoiler for Novel:

What did him "cutting" it accomplish? Did it slow him down enough for Tadakatsu to fight him evenly or something?

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by Mazus

Will any of the other prototypes (if there are any) be showcased in the anime? Or have they yet to make an appearance in the novels?

This is the only prototype shown iirc, but there will be other Divine class weapons, such as Neito's chain shown in the PV.

Originally Posted by Xacual

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What did him "cutting" it accomplish? Did it slow him down enough for Tadakatsu to fight him evenly or something?

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Mentioned by Futayo, she cited that was the reason how she could keep up with him during their fight later on and that it was Tadakatsu that helped her win. The name that got cut was Garcia de Cevallos.

From the infodump.

Garcia de Cevallos
A famous postman in charge of the public post in Spain

[Xacual]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

This is the only prototype shown iirc, but there will be other Divine class weapons, such as Neito's chain shown in the PV.

Spoiler for Novel:

Mentioned by Futayo, she cited that was the reason how she could keep up with him during their fight later on and that it was Tadakatsu that helped her win. The name that got cut was Garcia de Cevallos.

From the infodump.

That is seriously just ridiculous. I would assume there are other Divine Weapons other than Tonbokiri, do they all have ridiculous abilities like that?

As a question specifically more about what was shown in the anime, in the first episode when Margot was shooting at the teacher, did they buy attacks or something from the Treasurer guy? That's what it seemed like.

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by Xacual

That is seriously just ridiculous. I would assume there are other Divine Weapons other than Tonbokiri, do they all have ridiculous abilities like that?

Divine weapons aren't that overpowered compare to DSAs. Remember the range is only 30 meters, which really is stupid short and allows all kind of maneuver to avoid the reflection.

The DSA we saw here is just a huge nuke really, but the later ones like

Spoiler for Phuos:

Phuos, which basically grants invincibility as long as the wielder has the corresponding feelings of vanity and pride.

[kemal_1915]

Originally Posted by Xacual

Spoiler for Novel:

What did him "cutting" it accomplish? Did it slow him down enough for Tadakatsu to fight him evenly or something?

Spoiler for Heavy spoiler of the Deadly Sin Armaments:

Deadly Sin Armaments have the "Concept Core" which can directly interfere with "Concept". And their prototypes copied some a bit of ability from them
e.g. Tonbokiri cut the concept of "North" at its surrounding for a short bit of time. So Tadakatsu can evade Muneshige's attack.

If I remember correctedly, the Concept Core of Muneshige's Deadly Sin Armaments is from 2nd-G in OnC. "Name become its power" is the main concept effect. His godspeed is come from his name "Garcia de Cevallos". Tadakatsu cut this connection and make him lost his speed.

Originally Posted by Xacual

As a question specifically more about what was shown in the anime, in the first episode when Margot was shooting at the teacher, did they buy attacks or something from the Treasurer guy? That's what it seemed like.

Yes, they are and they cost a lot of money
e.g. Muneshige also needs to use those "spells" to accelerate

[Kusa-San]

Originally Posted by Marcus H.

HEAVY SPOILER WARNING!

Spoiler for The Eight Great Dragon Kings:

• Phyogos Gastrimargia [Gluttony] - Matias, M.H.R.R.
• Steisos Porneia [Lust] - Innocentius, K.P.A. Italia
• Aspiza Phylargia [Avarice] - Thomas Shakespeare, England
• Lype Kataslypsi [Anguish] - Muneshige Tachibana, K.P.A. Italia
• Maska Orge [Wrath] - Malfa Volekaya, Svet Russia
• Akedia Kataslypsi [Dejection] - Queen Juana, Tres España
• Phuos Kenodoxia [Pride] - Terumoto Mouri, Hexagone Francaise
• Phuos Hyperiphania [Arrogance] - King Louis XIV, Hexagone Francaise
• Olos Phthonos [Jealousy] - Horizon Ariadust/P-01s, Musashi

From this can I say that :

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Hexagone Francaise is is the most powerful country with K.P.A Italia ?

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by Kusa-San

From this can I say that :

Spoiler for Spoil:

Hexagone Francaise is is the most powerful country with K.P.A Italia ?

It's kinda of hard to conclude that, since weapons aren't the only determinants of military prowess.

There are also magic and contracts with deities etc.

[hayate-sama]

Question about Tombokiri so basically it cut/slice/sever anything it blade reflects in the range of 30 meters ? be it concept or real objects as long as the user desire and power the weapon ? It like a reality eraser ?

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by hayate-sama

Question about Tombokiri so basically it cut/slice/sever anything it blade reflects in the range of 30 meters ? be it concept or real objects as long as the user desire and power the weapon ? It like a reality eraser ?

Yes, as long as there is a name for the concept or the object being sliced (which is a huge problem for nameless objects or objects with multiple names). I wouldn't call it reality eraser because it is not that strong. It doesn't work as well on plural objects, so if Tadakatsu used that against the overflowing ether, he wouldn't be able to just erase the ether, he probably only cut a line through the object (like knife through water).

Also, the cutting is activated by fluid ether; for concepts or objects that are too big, the person might not have enough energy source to actually cut it.

[hayate-sama]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

Yes, as long as there is a name for the concept or the object being sliced (which is a huge problem for nameless objects or objects with multiple names). I wouldn't call it reality eraser because it is not that strong. It doesn't work as well on plural objects, so if Tadakatsu used that against the overflowing ether, he wouldn't be able to just erase the ether, he probably only cut a line through the object (like knife through water).

Also, the cutting is activated by fluid ether; for concepts or objects that are too big, the person might not have enough energy source to actually cut it.

About the name, does the user have to call the name of the object or he can just need to know about its ?

[Kunagisa]

Originally Posted by hayate-sama

About the name, does the user have to call the name of the object or he can just need to know about its ?

I think in the novel

Spoiler for Novel:

the name is auto reflected on top of the spear as soon as wielder reflects it.

The wielder has to say "Bind. Tonbokiri." to actually trigger the attack (without needing to say the name). This is to prevent randomly reflecting the blade and just slicing everything, which means there is somewhat of a lag time that allows people to escape the binding.

This is why



Gin didn't get instantly sliced off in this scene.

[hayate-sama]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

I think in the novel

Spoiler for Novel:

the name is auto reflected on top of the spear as soon as wielder reflects it.

The wielder has to say "Bind. Tonbokiri." to actually trigger the attack (without needing to say the name). This is to prevent randomly reflecting the blade and just slicing everything, which means there is somewhat of a lag time that allows people to escape the binding.

This is why



Gin didn't get instantly sliced off in this scene.

Yes and also I think the user have to swing the spear to activate the ability. If it is correct then I think:

Bind mean that the image is locked on blade and swinging the spear mean moving the locked image ==> the real object is cut because the part that its image is locked in the spear is actually moving correspondent with the blade.

BTW does it also need light to active ? because no light mean no reflection ?

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by stuopidget

Tonbokiri/Dragonfly Cutter is the prototype to both Lype and Akedia; it has a Normal Activation along with a unique Superior Activation/上位駆動. This is the one that allows Tadakatsu to cut concepts, such as north. In a (x,y) coordinate system, you stand at the origin, then cut x by 15, you'll be at 15,0).

Spoiler for Novel:

Muneshige's Godspeed name was also cut by Tadakatsu as well.

DSAs do not have the Superior Activation, probably because that function is replaced by Overdrive. When Muneshige use his normal activation, Tadakatsu cancelled it by reflecting it back.

Ah...glad to know I didn't hear that part wrong in the show...

Is Gin stronger than her husband? Being a Loizmoi wielder doesn't necessarily make you superior to your opponent then it seems...

[articuzwolf]

@Marcus: Shouldn't Tachibana Muneshige is from Tres Espana instead of K.P.A Italia?