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RivalNightmare · 2012-04-02, 12:59

Well, I only have the normal game ATM. Can I still play online with y'all?

I usually just spam all of her abilities, those stakes, then summon Sakutaro, use another stake attack, then attack with Sakutaro.. yeah.

TwilightsCall · 2012-04-03, 13:36

yeeeaaaah got the music to loop on Black Battler for the first time ever today. Felt like an accomplishment lol.

Walterion · 2012-04-03, 21:50

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Originally Posted by RivalNightmare

Well, I only have the normal game ATM. Can I still play online with y'all?

I think not, cause most of us have Ougon Cross, so you will have to get that before you are able to play with all of us.

And it's worth getting, check all inport sites that can provide you said expansion.

cronnoponno · 2012-04-03, 22:11

Um, hey, did Ryukishi said he'd only do ONE of the two (characters vs gameplay improvement choice), or that he'd eventually get to doing both but would prioritize what everyone voted for? (In other words he still plans to make uber gameplay revamps once Bernkastel is released)?

Solkiskey · 2012-04-04, 07:43

I think the gameplay mechanics are alright, although it'd be fun if the combo system wasn't so strict. That and Guard Touch should either be removed or nerfed because it's way too stupid.

Ouverture · 2012-04-04, 09:50

What makes you think that the combo system is strict?

btw I think the damage touch should be nerfed with something like: it must deplate touch gauge even if you get hit before switching

Eriko 556 · 2012-04-04, 13:03

Today I used LamSha team as a experiment to see combat against NEW CHALLENGER B. Battler.

Result: Quite good. Only spamming him with Lambda's sweet I took half of his yellow HP. (Unfortunatly, I was so excited that I forgot to printscreen it)

I'll start to practice more with Lambda.

Also, one question: What's NEW CHALLENGER B. Battler full health number? Someone tried to measure it?

Solkiskey · 2012-04-04, 13:38

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Originally Posted by Ouverture

What makes you think that the combo system is strict?

btw I think the damage touch should be nerfed with something like: it must deplate touch gauge even if you get hit before switching

What I mean is that there isn't much variety.

I meant Guard Touch, the one where you're punished for driving someone into a corner and pressuring them. >_> Incredibly stupid if you tell me.

And God B. Battler's HP? hmm... He either has 11200 or 6400 HP. I don't know if CPU B.Battler is the normal mode B.Battler (800 HP) or Princess Mode B. Battler (1400 HP).

Eriko 556 · 2012-04-04, 13:54

[QUOTE=Solkiskey;4090850And God B. Battler's HP? hmm... He either has 11200 or 6400 HP. I don't know if CPU B.Battler is the normal mode B.Battler (800 HP) or Princess Mode B. Battler (1400 HP).[/QUOTE]

Oh gosh, that much!? How did you calculated this value?

Ouverture · 2012-04-04, 14:04

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Originally Posted by Solkiskey

What I mean is that there isn't much variety.

I meant Guard Touch, the one where you're punished for driving someone into a corner and pressuring them. >_> Incredibly stupid if you tell me.

And God B. Battler's HP? hmm... He either has 11200 or 6400 HP. I don't know if CPU B.Battler is the normal mode B.Battler (800 HP) or Princess Mode B. Battler (1400 HP).

Ah
I agree with this, specially when half of vanilla ougon cast has only one combo (lucifer, etc).
I thought you were talking about timing and combo difficulty

Solkiskey · 2012-04-04, 14:37

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Originally Posted by Eriko 556

Oh gosh, that much!? How did you calculated this value?

B.Battler has 800 HP, there are two B.Battlers so 1600, 1600*2 since there are two bars (I play with two bars/two rounds) 3200, 3200*2 because of Dlanor's ability : 6400. If he's in princess mode, 1400*2, 2800*2 = 5600, 5600*2 = 11200. It might not be right though, I might have got something wrong somewhere.

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Originally Posted by Ouverture

Ah
I agree with this, specially when half of vanilla ougon cast has only one combo (lucifer, etc).
I thought you were talking about timing and combo difficulty

I think I should've said "limited" instead of "strict". Do you play online?

Ouverture · 2012-04-04, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Solkiskey

I think I should've said "limited" instead of "strict". Do you play online?

Yes, but I can play only if you're european. I don't have a connection good enough to play people outside europe

Solkiskey · 2012-04-04, 15:12

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Originally Posted by Ouverture

Yes, but I can play only if you're european. I don't have a connection good enough to play people outside europe

As long as it's playable, I don't mind input delay. You can join one of my hamachi network if you want : AnimeSukiOugon2 password is ougon

maximilianjenus · 2012-04-04, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Ouverture

Ah
I agree with this, specially when half of vanilla ougon cast has only one combo (lucifer, etc).
I thought you were talking about timing and combo difficulty

In my experience and while fighting someone worthwhile you end up pulling a lot of different situational combos as opossed to the vanilla perfect combos that one does in training.

Solkiskey · 2012-04-04, 15:34

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Originally Posted by maximilianjenus

In my experience and while fighting someone worthwhile you end up pulling a lot of different situational combos as opossed to the vanilla perfect combos that one does in training.

Training mode combos aren't practical anyway. Too much SP usage and with the Touch system, long extended combos aren't always a good thing.

maximilianjenus · 2012-04-04, 15:40

amount of sp for both you and p2, state of the touch bar, distance from p2, whether p2 is crouching, standing or in the air, partner, all of those dictate what will be the best combo to use for your specific character.

Solkiskey · 2012-04-04, 15:43

Crouching or standing not always, though there is a difference for some characters.

maximilianjenus · 2012-04-04, 17:23

Agreed, for characters like kanon, george, battler and lucifer it makes a big difference, not so much for others.

Where I play we only ban guard touch (actually what we ban is doing combos after guard touch, we still allow the guard touch to get off the pressure), so it's common to do the full exhibition combos as block string, so, when you finally get p2 to guard break you ahve already casted meta cancel or spent the touch bar.

Solkiskey · 2012-04-04, 17:50

Oh, I see. Well, I rarely guard touch because every character has a way to get out of pressure without it. Do you happen to play online? Haven't played against many people in this game yet.

I would include Dlanor in that, because 6C is pretty useful in corners (not that it's not useful midscreen.)

maximilianjenus · 2012-04-04, 18:32

with luci,kanon, george battler if p2 is standing you can meta cancel, then instead of running do a jumping C,B and land and ocntinue the combo.

I like to play online but find it troublesome to set up sessions because of my work and family duties, normally I only have a bit of free time in the sunday afternoon.

2012-04-02, 12:59	Link #3301
RivalNightmare Member Join Date: Mar 2012	Well, I only have the normal game ATM. Can I still play online with y'all? I usually just spam all of her abilities, those stakes, then summon Sakutaro, use another stake attack, then attack with Sakutaro.. yeah.

2012-04-03, 13:36	Link #3302
TwilightsCall Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Tokyo, Japan Age: 33	yeeeaaaah got the music to loop on Black Battler for the first time ever today. Felt like an accomplishment lol.

2012-04-03, 22:11	Link #3304
cronnoponno Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011	Um, hey, did Ryukishi said he'd only do ONE of the two (characters vs gameplay improvement choice), or that he'd eventually get to doing both but would prioritize what everyone voted for? (In other words he still plans to make uber gameplay revamps once Bernkastel is released)?

2012-04-04, 07:43	Link #3305
Solkiskey Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Canada, Quebec Age: 30	I think the gameplay mechanics are alright, although it'd be fun if the combo system wasn't so strict. That and Guard Touch should either be removed or nerfed because it's way too stupid.

2012-04-04, 09:50	Link #3306
Ouverture Golden Fighter Join Date: Dec 2011	What makes you think that the combo system is strict? btw I think the damage touch should be nerfed with something like: it must deplate touch gauge even if you get hit before switching

2012-04-04, 13:03	Link #3307
Eriko 556 Member Join Date: Jan 2010	Today I used LamSha team as a experiment to see combat against NEW CHALLENGER B. Battler. Result: Quite good. Only spamming him with Lambda's sweet I took half of his yellow HP. (Unfortunatly, I was so excited that I forgot to printscreen it) I'll start to practice more with Lambda. Also, one question: What's NEW CHALLENGER B. Battler full health number? Someone tried to measure it?

2012-04-04, 13:54	Link #3309
Eriko 556 Member Join Date: Jan 2010	[QUOTE=Solkiskey;4090850And God B. Battler's HP? hmm... He either has 11200 or 6400 HP. I don't know if CPU B.Battler is the normal mode B.Battler (800 HP) or Princess Mode B. Battler (1400 HP).[/QUOTE] Oh gosh, that much!? How did you calculated this value?

2012-04-04, 15:40	Link #3316
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	amount of sp for both you and p2, state of the touch bar, distance from p2, whether p2 is crouching, standing or in the air, partner, all of those dictate what will be the best combo to use for your specific character.

2012-04-04, 15:43	Link #3317
Solkiskey Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Canada, Quebec Age: 30	Crouching or standing not always, though there is a difference for some characters.

2012-04-04, 17:23	Link #3318
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	Agreed, for characters like kanon, george, battler and lucifer it makes a big difference, not so much for others. Where I play we only ban guard touch (actually what we ban is doing combos after guard touch, we still allow the guard touch to get off the pressure), so it's common to do the full exhibition combos as block string, so, when you finally get p2 to guard break you ahve already casted meta cancel or spent the touch bar.

2012-04-04, 17:50	Link #3319
Solkiskey Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Canada, Quebec Age: 30	Oh, I see. Well, I rarely guard touch because every character has a way to get out of pressure without it. Do you happen to play online? Haven't played against many people in this game yet. I would include Dlanor in that, because 6C is pretty useful in corners (not that it's not useful midscreen.)

2012-04-04, 18:32	Link #3320
maximilianjenus [E] Join Date: Mar 2008	with luci,kanon, george battler if p2 is standing you can meta cancel, then instead of running do a jumping C,B and land and ocntinue the combo. I like to play online but find it troublesome to set up sessions because of my work and family duties, normally I only have a bit of free time in the sunday afternoon.