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2009-06-21, 22:41 | Link #42 | |
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Manga has the advantage of being cheaper on production, sure that doesn't make it at all a better medium. |
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2009-06-21, 22:45 | Link #43 |
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With manga, at least there is an ability to gauge the reaction "on the ground". If it sells well, the next step is the anime. It's like the restaurant introducing the steak after the Whopper sells well. This has happened countless times.
IMO, manga is a better medium for experimentation, because it has a lower sunk cost.
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2009-06-21, 22:49 | Link #44 |
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True, true. I should've said that manga has more quality. Since with manga, a publisher can choose what series they wanna try, get some feedback from the readers, and drop it like a hot potato whenever they want. With an anime studio, they pretty much have to stick with an anime they decide to do. If they just randomly drop an anime with the excuse, "The Nielsen (the Japanese version) ratings sucked for xx anime, so we're dropping it," how would that look?
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2009-06-21, 22:53 | Link #45 |
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There's a big difference between anime and manga (ranging from art quality, quantity and styles). No matter how hard a manga tries it can never be an anime, or the other way around. People prefer one to the other because of the differences, sometimes enjoying the action in the anime or the simple beauty in a manga. They journey hand in hand, influencing each other heavily and never quite attaining every characteristic the other has. Many would like it to stay as it is as well. After all, if manga and anime became the same thing one couldn't delight in two versions of their favorite series.
The whole manga vs anime argument is really just the same as the "Whats better the book or the movie?" argument.
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2009-06-21, 22:54 | Link #46 |
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Anime sales are mainly through DVD/BluRay, so ratings is not what they're looking for. Besides, most anime air after midnight.
Don't forget: there is also this thing known as drama CDs.
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2009-06-21, 23:34 | Link #47 |
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Personally, I like a good portion of ecchi and moe genre anime series so it annoys me to see that those types of anime are still being used a scapgoat of what's wrong with anime. Ultimately, I think people should judge an anime series on how well it executes, not what genre it's in.
I dunno, it seems that like the videogame community there's a good portion of anime fans specifically western fans are insecure with their hobby, constantly worrying about the outside perception, which is why whenever a series like queen's blade comes along there a lot of comments along the lines of "omg, this is what's wrong with anime". You can look in any other medium, I sure there's stuff on the level or that go farther than queen's blade. |
2009-06-22, 00:17 | Link #49 |
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I'll repeat and amplify:
Just keep the ecchi crap out of my rice bowl. Things like that infamous blatant meaningless panty shot in the first Full Metal Panic. Or the way Akemi runs around in a see-through nightie for the first season of Maison Ikkoku. Why?? Why does there seem to be this need to throw in needless fanservice into a moving and interesting story? Pure "H" anime- whatever. I don't like it. (I especially don't like the way anime is used to allow men to fantasize about illegal sexual acts- such as sex with too young girls). However, I can ignore those anime and enjoy the good stuff. But then it seems the producers just can't resist mixing in a little bit of that crap with the shows I do like. And while I put up with it (as long as it's not too bad) it still irritates me- and I think I have a dog-gone right to be irritated by it. |
2009-06-22, 00:27 | Link #50 |
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Can't the same be said about any genre? If one or to genres start taking a lot of the spotlight in any medium it's ussually a bad thing. My problem is that I really don't see the dozens and dozens of fanservice and moe series. Sure they're popular but it's not like anime doesn't have any less varity in it.
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On the flip side, I don't find blatant ecchi that attractive, so for me such shows are no more erotic than many far more subtle works. For that reason, they rarely make my favourites list. (The ultimate "I can't believe they just showed that" series IMO would have to be Inukami... but it's more of a ruthless send-up of the fanservice genre than a real fanservice show and it can also be quite brain scarring at times.) Quote:
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2009-06-22, 00:58 | Link #52 |
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Yep I agree that anime is being abused nowadays. Stuff like ecchi would probably be okay if it was for a comedic purpose. But maybe once or twice in a series would be enough. About fan-service, well I don't consider it evil or anything. I mean there are people who enjoy that entertainment. I don't find any problems with it if it's harmless. As long as it doesn't go way over the line like Queen's Blade
Don't hate me or anything, but I personally think hentai is abusive. Well not only for me, but also a few other people I know IRL. It kinda ruins the glamour and grandness in anime. I mean I've heard from others that hentai have really suckish plots and that there are tons of anime which have way better animation, so I don't think it's necessary to watch. Peace to those hentai lovers
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2009-06-22, 01:21 | Link #55 | |
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Think of it like this. I orz at the mention of Queen's Blade. FireChick took it up to the next level and made a topic instead.
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(I've seen non-hentai OVAs that are like this too - a number of older OVAs just scream to me "we're just animating the cool parts, go read the manga if you want the story".) Overall, most of the hentai I've seen is pretty bad but I do have a soft spot for a couple titles. |
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edit: looking at the current season, I actually see more non-fanservice shows Quote:
Whenever I read opinions like these--about right and wrong ways, about things that are good or bad for people--particularly the kind of opinions that would lead to regulation in industry and/or government of what is ultimately a subjective matter, I'm reminded of oppressive governments or repressive policies around the world, including several unfortunate cases here in the US (like Handley's case). While what you mention is not that extreme of course, the intent still tends towards the same direction Last edited by npcomplete; 2009-06-22 at 09:42. |
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2009-06-22, 09:48 | Link #60 |
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this discussion reminds me of something in western films where lots of times movies are clearly influenced by what the marketing industry marks as guaranteed selling mechanisms, giving people what they want is one of them but the most important one of all in this century is this one: sex sells, whether it is in the form of tight outfits or cute loli's with panty shots it sells
There is always discussion as to how much influence a studio has on a western movie, for example when it comes to homosexuality in movies, certain political views etc. I remember seeing a docu yesterday about how the Hollywood film industry was making movies about the Spanish revolution and how some movies were clearly stating that America should help them while others remained neutral about it, Hollywood banned several movies because they portrait Russia as a savior etc. In modern times Hollywood has taken a form where some subjects are just taken out of the industry (like I said: homosexuality and political views, people picking up this subject can even get their movie banned or have their budget cut) and instead they keep feeding the public movies that have been altered to what in their eyes sells the most and that is sex: tight costumes for female characters, in some cases same goes for the male, this picture pretty figure all A+ actors need to have etc. However there is also this, there are also studio's that clearly don't give a crap and even though these studio's are not the best known ones and their movies are not the usual top listed like Hollywood movies they still get their attention, though less attention and this attention spreads to the public from mouth to mouth in words like "did you see this movie? you should!" and so it still becomes popular If you think this is being off topic, then compare it to the anime sector: I don't know if the same kind of business happens in an anime or manga studio where they could promote the sex sells rule, the people obviously likes loli's and obviously like oversized boobs so yes it is positive to assume that makers will take that taste into assumption and in some cases like yours use that in their design or focus shot area and I can understand how you can get annoyed with that because I had this with Hollywood movies (the whole day after tommorow, the happening etc. movies annoyed me as well as low budget horror of a same studio with the same kind of plot and standard engineered movies that seemed to drop off the factory just to milk out more money by using sexy women in a desperate situation a.k.a. your standard "I'm going to check something out" with them being killed in the next 5 minutes in a horrible manor) every category is being so over milked that it seems that there is nothing original anymore, for example when it comes to things being animated last year we had a huge increase with anime where the main character was a villain, why? Because people loved it when they showed it a first time and so they decided to milk it out now that it was still popular to the public, slice of life is a same category I simply find it not worth it to watch some slice of life shows because it is all so over used. However behind this curtain of loli's, over sized breasts, gundam and standard slice of life is what you are looking for: the anime that doesn't give a f*ck about these rules and that actually has an actual plot that people love regardless of the fact that there are no panty shots or boobage, the only bad thing is the market isn't huge enough so it cannot feed the need that quickly as the rest, there are a couple series a year that fit this category and even though they are not advertised so openly as the boobage etc. shows they are there and that is what counts. I wouldn't say anime is being abused, I would say it is being influenced too much. The time you are referring to, the time of Astro boy etc. in that timeline there wasn't as much marketing influence as there is now and this not just in anime but in every thing. But the thing is you can always avoid these shows and go watch whatever you like =P thank goodness this forum doesn't just list boobage shows etc. otherwise it would have been echii-suki or loli-suki lol edit: and by marketing influence in this last part I do not mean censorship cause we all know Japan doesn't do censorship =P what I mean is that the thing that the people like to see: loli's, boobage and panty shots is being milked into a series for more sellings |
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