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inaho · 2007-03-03, 09:29

and the battle begins everyone

Kazuya looks really annoying when he do those akward poses.He seems like he's on drugs or something

I feel bad for Kyoshiro all his high regards for his brother came crashing down on him and the fact that Kuu didn't even recognize him (brainwashed!) was just absolutely devastating but I'm sure he'll come to his senses and fight back for what's his

In this episode, Mika's character was really given light, its purely psychological, that's why he hates kazuya so much, stoling her bestfriend and all......

Kazuya looks really gay>.< and I really thought Kuu's counterpart is avant garde but it wasn't, it looks like Baltraz, a second rate Baltraz that is........

As a sidenote I have the feeling that one of the AA's are gonna die....and i'm thinking it would be Kuu o.O? What do you guys think?

This episode is cool, I wish I know what they're saying, I could only pinpoint some.....but not all =(

sakura_1990 · 2007-03-03, 09:53

seriously i really hate kazuya... i agree he is like being on drugs, his actions are like WHAT THE HELL over-doing it lors... i feel sad for kuu.. she forgot about kyoshiro... and went with her stupid prince who looks like gay. kuu's machina is weird and funny... i still dont understand how did she get her machina and what's Waruteishia power anyway///

xcxcxcc · 2007-03-03, 10:43

hahahah lol kazuya does look like he is in drugs and im always like wtf after the stuff he does.

well now i understand y mika is the way she is kayazu is fucked up what a fucking jerk i hate him more than kyoshiro.

Kipp · 2007-03-03, 10:59

Obviously, it's up to Himiko to save the world.

Maybe she'll have some secret ass kicking skills?!

Owaranai Destiny · 2007-03-03, 12:08

Watching is better than reading.

Thoughts on episodes 6 to 8:

Spoiler for Just in case:

Some might not believe this, but I'm starting to understand and like Kyoshiro a little better, probably from apathy to small interest. Up from episode 6 to 8, everything seemed like a great setup for the classic "assassin falling for his target" scenario, with the exception being the fact that the very person he has been admiring gave him a little wake up call and a punch in the gut as thanks to everything he has been doing in Kazuya's name.

Episode 7: Kyoshiro's mind in a mess, Kuu's few attempts at trying to convince herself she was fine and Setsuna's reactions to the heart drawn on Kuu's notebook. Everyone's going bonkers, and apparently this is also the part where I can make my assumption for what the bells ringing truly mean, especially after her conversation with Kuu regarding the manifestation of Claiomh Solais, which I will elaborate later.

Of course, the scene where Kuu undresses herself in front of Kyoshiro is a big talking point, especially with how apparent Kyoshiro told her to get out coldly. IMO, though, he wasn't being cold, but he could use without the distraction, the very object and reason for his confusion about what he truly wants in front of him, doing that to him.

Now this is where my spite for him started to dissipate a little. In showing that he was thinking, having second thoughts as well as being shown as treating Kuu as though she was a nuisance at that point in time reeked to me of human behavior, not something a complete fairytale prince would do, something like tossing his coat over her body and pacifying her despite his own troubles, as many of you guys have speculated before.

As for Kuu...While her actions seemed irrational, I don't think her thoughts are currently any closer to rationality at that moment. Everything she had been doing with an painfully obvious fake smile on her face was forced. Up to the point where she even desperately wanted to be of some use to Kyoshiro tells me just exactly how she feels about her own predicament and about Kyoshiro. It's a process of maturity through her own hardship, even though it seemed futile. In the end, disrobing was probably the last resort on her mind to use, something which backfired, of course, because it wasn't appropriate in the first place.

I didn't forget, Kaon, of course.

It does seem apparent that so far, thanks to the fact that her had unleashed so much mana previously to do battle with both Taruotte and Setsuna, Mika's hold on her was broken. Something I was wondering: If an AA releases more power than she should, can it neutralise a forced attempt to make the AA his/her own? Don't know if this might come into play later with Kuu and Kazuya.

Spoiler:

Episode 8 seems to be one of the higher points in the anime itself. The confession, Setsuna losing it, Kazuya's entry and the first cracks in Kyoshiro's vision of his beloved Nii-san.

This is the point where my dislike for Kyoshiro completely dissipated. He KNOWS, darn it. He knows AND he openly admits it that he has been treating Setsuna badly, something he should not have done, not especially after his discovery of his feelings for Kuu. Whaddaya know? As long as he isn't in brother-worship mode, there's something actually not so bad about him. Besides, the fact that he has decided that he was going to protect Kuu no matter what earned more brownie points despite the fact that she was an AA (classic assassinXtarget scenario again in full force), after he had calmed down and came back to look for Kuu. Love over duty. You go, my man.

It's up to this point where you can only moan at his bad luck and timing, what with Setsuna coming up to look for them (which reminds me...How in the nine heavens did Setsuna and Kyoshiro know where to look for?). At this point, we hear the darn bells ring again (I'm getting to that, don't worry

) and she just explodes. Just one reaction from her, and I was momentarily stunned. I guess that was how Kyoshiro and Kuu must have felt.

Can't say much about Kazuya...Except I get the vibes that he is going to be a goddamned bastard, and probably one that will play villain well enough for me to like him in his role. The two actions he did by knocking Kyoshiro into the wall and asking Kuu to come with him together reeked to me that he was simply using Kyoshiro for his own ends, and has came cruelly to take Kuu away. Classic villainry done in style, thanks to his little grand entrance. It seems apparent that Waruteishia might actually be one of the greater AAs. After all, Taruotte and Kaon seemed to notice it almost immediately when she appeared.
As for Kaon...Too little of her this time. >.< At least it does seem it's confirmed she's back to normal.

Phew, done.

Now for Setsuna's bells.

Spoiler:

Longest post ever here~ Hope it isn't too taxing on the eyes.

Kazu-kun · 2007-03-03, 14:07

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Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

Watching is better than reading.

Spoiler:

Episode 8 seems to be one of the higher points in the anime itself. The confession, Setsuna losing it, Kazuya's entry and the first cracks in Kyoshiro's vision of his beloved Nii-san.

This is the point where my dislike for Kyoshiro completely dissipated. He KNOWS, darn it. He knows AND he openly admits it that he has been treating Setsuna badly, something he should not have done, not especially after his discovery of his feelings for Kuu. Whaddaya know? As long as he isn't in brother-worship mode, there's something actually not so bad about him. Besides, the fact that he has decided that he was going to protect Kuu no matter what earned more brownie points despite the fact that she was an AA (classic assassinXtarget scenario again in full force), after he had calmed down and came back to look for Kuu. Love over duty. You go, my man.

It's up to this point where you can only moan at his bad luck and timing, what with Setsuna coming up to look for them (which reminds me...How in the nine heavens did Setsuna and Kyoshiro know where to look for?). At this point, we hear the darn bells ring again (I'm getting to that, don't worry

) and she just explodes. Just one reaction from her, and I was momentarily stunned. I guess that was how Kyoshiro and Kuu must have felt.

Can't say much about Kazuya...Except I get the vibes that he is going to be a goddamned bastard, and probably one that will play villain well enough for me to like him in his role. The two actions he did by knocking Kyoshiro into the wall and asking Kuu to come with him together reeked to me that he was simply using Kyoshiro for his own ends, and has came cruelly to take Kuu away. Classic villainry done in style, thanks to his little grand entrance. It seems apparent that Waruteishia might actually be one of the greater AAs. After all, Taruotte and Kaon seemed to notice it almost immediately when she appeared.
As for Kaon...Too little of her this time. >.< At least it does seem it's confirmed she's back to normal.

Longest post ever here~ Hope it isn't too taxing on the eyes.

Just admiting that he has treated Setsuna like crap doesn't mean anything. Only through actions you can redeem yourself. And Kyoshiro should at least give his life for her or something to really deserve some forgiveness. Until then he is still the biggest asshole of the series.

Which makes Kazuya my new hero, or at least he was my hero till he put his hands on Kaon. Only Himiko has the right to that.

Anyway, I'm really looking forwards to see Himiko saving everyone from Kazuya's grasp. ^^

Deathkillz · 2007-03-03, 17:00

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Just admiting that he has treated Setsuna like crap doesn't mean anything. Only through actions you can redeem yourself. And Kyoshiro should at least give his life for her or something to really deserve some forgiveness. Until then he is still the biggest asshole of the series.

Which makes Kazuya my new hero, or at least he was my hero till he put his hands on Kaon. Only Himiko has the right to that.

Anyway, I'm really looking forwards to see Himiko saving everyone from Kazuya's grasp. ^^

well in kyoshiro's defence ep 9 really shows how much of an ass kazuya really is ~ it seems to me that kyoshiro was somewat brainwashed into idolizing his brother...so i cant blame him for his burning desire to carry out his brother's will ~ kazuya is one manipulative bastard if ive ever seen one >.<

even tho kyoshiro should be 17 or so in reality is more or less as naive as kuu...it shows ~ even when kazuya is constantly stepping on kyoshiro's pride...he is too shocked to respond but tries to remain optimistic that kazuya is a good guy...hes learning the hard way >.<

Key Board · 2007-03-03, 18:20

From my point of view, Kazuya has been completely honest about being a bastard

It just so happens that Kyoshiro misinterpreted everything he did and say

Kyoshiro has.. poetry vision too?

Owaranai Destiny · 2007-03-03, 21:29

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Originally Posted by Key Board

From my point of view, Kazuya has been completely honest about being a bastard

It just so happens that Kyoshiro misinterpreted everything he did and say

Kyoshiro has.. poetry vision too?

It's dependent on how Kyoshiro interprets it, and how Kazuya puts it across. Besides, I don't think we can really blame Kyshiro for "misinterpreting", not especially when he was a child when he began to think that what his brother was doing was great after all that act of how wonderfully his brother treated him.

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Just admiting that he has treated Setsuna like crap doesn't mean anything. Only through actions you can redeem yourself. And Kyoshiro should at least give his life for her or something to really deserve some forgiveness. Until then he is still the biggest asshole of the series.

Actions are good, but to give his life when he would dedicate it to protect another is just being selfish. He can certainly atone by doing something significant for Setsuna, but that doesn't mean he must give up his own life just for that. Unfortunate, but being the biggest asshole of the series seems to be true, because he is the ONLY one shown to be ill-treating an AA with little reason, twisted or not.

Chiibi · 2007-03-03, 21:33

EP 9

Spoiler:

Quote:

And Kyoshiro should at least give his life for her or something to really deserve some forgiveness.

Baka. How happy do you think Setsuna would be if he did such a thing!?

Kazu-kun · 2007-03-03, 23:02

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Originally Posted by Chiibi

EP 9

Spoiler:

Baka. How happy do you think Setsuna would be if he did such a thing!?

Oh, C'mon? Not too long ago you were saing she was a bitch, and now you care about her happiness? what a joke.

Unfortunately for you, the topic is not Setsuna's happiness but Kyoshiro's redemption, which he is still not even close to achieve.

And no, I don't feell sorry for him in the least. It serves him right for being a bastard.

Owaranai Destiny · 2007-03-03, 23:13

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Oh, C'mon? Not too long ago you were saing she was a bitch, and now you care about her happiness? what a joke.

Unfortunately for you, the topic is not Setsuna's happiness but Kyoshiro's redemption, which he is still not even close to achieve.

And no, I don't feell sorry for him in the least. It serves him right for being a bastard.

I was afraid of this. Sooner or later this sort of thing would be coming, but still...

You are correct. The topic is Kyoshiro's redemption, so if everything Setsuna has done so far is for him, what point would it make in killing himself? Just to satisfy his own self-righteousness as a person? Or just to sate the hunger of bloodthirsty viewers vying for his death because of petty hatred? Death redempts nothing, but putting himself on the line to protect and take care of Setsuna as he would someone he cared for because she did so (though not in the same way as he did for Kuu) would be a good means of this redemption.

I'd agree it was a good slap in the face for him in the realisation that what he has been doing was merely what Kazuya has been manipulating him to be doing. A good slap too, because it would be an excellent wake-up call to do what he wants rather than following someone else's supposed will. It's good room for his character to actually show some development, and as a side note, good timing for Soujiro to make his appearance too.

Kazu-kun · 2007-03-03, 23:25

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Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

putting himself on the line to protect and take care of Setsuna as he would someone he cared for because she did so (though not in the same way as he did for Kuu) would be a good means of this redemption.

That is exactly what I was talking about when I said he should die... protecting her or whatever. What I mean is that he has to prove (through actions) that he cares for her; something he has never done.

Owaranai Destiny · 2007-03-03, 23:32

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

That is exactly what I was talking about when I said he should die... protecting her or whatever. What I mean is that he has to prove (through actions) that he cares for her; something he has never done.

Excellent, because anyway I see it, death is the silliest way to redeem himself in this respect. Protect her, yes. Care for Setsuna as a means to repay her concern for him, yes. Getting himself killed, no. He has to consider Setsuna, but more than anything else, he also has to consider Kuu, whom we now know he loves.

Deathkillz · 2007-03-04, 03:34

from the looks of it i fear that setsuna will be the one to die at this rate fighting against kazuya...oh dear...i think it will be best hoping that that scenario wont happen >.<

Skyfall · 2007-03-04, 04:40

^ Aye, poor Setsuna

Her character has "death" written all over it

Of course i'd much rather see her live, but imo she has much higher chances of not making trough this alive.

Chiibi · 2007-03-04, 09:09

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Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Oh, C'mon? Not too long ago you were saing she was a bitch, and now you care about her happiness? what a joke.

Unfortunately for you, the topic is not Setsuna's happiness but Kyoshiro's redemption, which he is still not even close to achieve.

Are you TRYING to irritate me?

I am NOT joking. I'm 100% serious. Yes, she annoyed me a little bit before with her temper tantrum over Kuu and Kyoshiro being together but I DID feel sorry for her this past ep. I felt sorry for EVERYONE this past ep.

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And no, I don't feell sorry for him in the least. It serves him right for being a bastard.

Kazuya is MORE of a bastard. It's all his fault that Kyoshiro acts the way he does. Blame it on him.

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Excellent, because anyway I see it, death is the silliest way to redeem himself in this respect. Protect her, yes. Care for Setsuna as a means to repay her concern for him, yes. Getting himself killed, no. He has to consider Setsuna, but more than anything else, he also has to consider Kuu, whom we now know he loves.

That's right! He has to think of Kuu and Setsuna now and the last thing those two would want is his death. Letting himself get killed even to protect them would just be stupid. Because they'd both rather die THEMSELVES than see that happen.
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Key Board · 2007-03-04, 09:33

I don't think Kuu necessarily loves Kyoshiro

She loves her Prince

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h ttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/955/622lb5.png

How does she start her typical day?

With "My dear prince..."

Owaranai Destiny · 2007-03-04, 09:44

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Originally Posted by Key Board

I don't think Kuu necessarily loves Kyoshiro

She loves her Prince

h ttp://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7871/43mt2.gif
h ttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/955/622lb5.png

How does she start her typical day?

With "My dear prince..."

Love and flights of fantasies are two different things. If a stronger word was to be used, it will have to be 'obsession' at best.

Kazu-kun · 2007-03-04, 11:24

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Originally Posted by Owaranai Destiny

Love and flights of fantasies are two different things. If a stronger word was to be used, it will have to be 'obsession' at best.

But, wasn't Kuu infatuated with Kyoshiro because he was *like* a prince? So it seems only natural that she prefers the real thing. ^^

2007-03-03, 12:08	Link #885
Owaranai Destiny Nick of Time~ Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Guze no Sekai Age: 36	Watching is better than reading. Thoughts on episodes 6 to 8: Spoiler for Just in case: Some might not believe this, but I'm starting to understand and like Kyoshiro a little better, probably from apathy to small interest. Up from episode 6 to 8, everything seemed like a great setup for the classic "assassin falling for his target" scenario, with the exception being the fact that the very person he has been admiring gave him a little wake up call and a punch in the gut as thanks to everything he has been doing in Kazuya's name. Episode 7: Kyoshiro's mind in a mess, Kuu's few attempts at trying to convince herself she was fine and Setsuna's reactions to the heart drawn on Kuu's notebook. Everyone's going bonkers, and apparently this is also the part where I can make my assumption for what the bells ringing truly mean, especially after her conversation with Kuu regarding the manifestation of Claiomh Solais, which I will elaborate later. Of course, the scene where Kuu undresses herself in front of Kyoshiro is a big talking point, especially with how apparent Kyoshiro told her to get out coldly. IMO, though, he wasn't being cold, but he could use without the distraction, the very object and reason for his confusion about what he truly wants in front of him, doing that to him. Now this is where my spite for him started to dissipate a little. In showing that he was thinking, having second thoughts as well as being shown as treating Kuu as though she was a nuisance at that point in time reeked to me of human behavior, not something a complete fairytale prince would do, something like tossing his coat over her body and pacifying her despite his own troubles, as many of you guys have speculated before. As for Kuu...While her actions seemed irrational, I don't think her thoughts are currently any closer to rationality at that moment. Everything she had been doing with an painfully obvious fake smile on her face was forced. Up to the point where she even desperately wanted to be of some use to Kyoshiro tells me just exactly how she feels about her own predicament and about Kyoshiro. It's a process of maturity through her own hardship, even though it seemed futile. In the end, disrobing was probably the last resort on her mind to use, something which backfired, of course, because it wasn't appropriate in the first place. I didn't forget, Kaon, of course. It does seem apparent that so far, thanks to the fact that her had unleashed so much mana previously to do battle with both Taruotte and Setsuna, Mika's hold on her was broken. Something I was wondering: If an AA releases more power than she should, can it neutralise a forced attempt to make the AA his/her own? Don't know if this might come into play later with Kuu and Kazuya. Spoiler: Episode 8 seems to be one of the higher points in the anime itself. The confession, Setsuna losing it, Kazuya's entry and the first cracks in Kyoshiro's vision of his beloved Nii-san. This is the point where my dislike for Kyoshiro completely dissipated. He KNOWS, darn it. He knows AND he openly admits it that he has been treating Setsuna badly, something he should not have done, not especially after his discovery of his feelings for Kuu. Whaddaya know? As long as he isn't in brother-worship mode, there's something actually not so bad about him. Besides, the fact that he has decided that he was going to protect Kuu no matter what earned more brownie points despite the fact that she was an AA (classic assassinXtarget scenario again in full force), after he had calmed down and came back to look for Kuu. Love over duty. You go, my man. It's up to this point where you can only moan at his bad luck and timing, what with Setsuna coming up to look for them (which reminds me...How in the nine heavens did Setsuna and Kyoshiro know where to look for?). At this point, we hear the darn bells ring again (I'm getting to that, don't worry ) and she just explodes. Just one reaction from her, and I was momentarily stunned. I guess that was how Kyoshiro and Kuu must have felt. Can't say much about Kazuya...Except I get the vibes that he is going to be a goddamned bastard, and probably one that will play villain well enough for me to like him in his role. The two actions he did by knocking Kyoshiro into the wall and asking Kuu to come with him together reeked to me that he was simply using Kyoshiro for his own ends, and has came cruelly to take Kuu away. Classic villainry done in style, thanks to his little grand entrance. It seems apparent that Waruteishia might actually be one of the greater AAs. After all, Taruotte and Kaon seemed to notice it almost immediately when she appeared. As for Kaon...Too little of her this time. >.< At least it does seem it's confirmed she's back to normal. Phew, done. Now for Setsuna's bells. Spoiler: My assumption is that whenever the bells ring, it signals a change in Setsuna's emotional state. What she's feeling, simply put. They rang when she saw that drawn heart, which caused her to almost smash it with Claiomh Solais' right arm. They rang again when she saw Kyoshiro, then Kuu going out of the house, and again and again when it's apparent she heard Kyoshiro talking to Kuu on the old tower. It will probably be better if I rewatch some episodes again and make more references, but these will have to do for now. Longest post ever here~ Hope it isn't too taxing on the eyes.

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2007-03-04, 04:40	Link #896
Skyfall Lost in my dreams... Join Date: Jun 2006 Age: 37	^ Aye, poor Setsuna Her character has "death" written all over it Of course i'd much rather see her live, but imo she has much higher chances of not making trough this alive. __________________

2007-03-03, 09:29	Link #881
inaho Member Join Date: Jan 2007	and the battle begins everyone Kazuya looks really annoying when he do those akward poses.He seems like he's on drugs or something I feel bad for Kyoshiro all his high regards for his brother came crashing down on him and the fact that Kuu didn't even recognize him (brainwashed!) was just absolutely devastating but I'm sure he'll come to his senses and fight back for what's his In this episode, Mika's character was really given light, its purely psychological, that's why he hates kazuya so much, stoling her bestfriend and all...... Kazuya looks really gay>.< and I really thought Kuu's counterpart is avant garde but it wasn't, it looks like Baltraz, a second rate Baltraz that is........ As a sidenote I have the feeling that one of the AA's are gonna die....and i'm thinking it would be Kuu o.O? What do you guys think? This episode is cool, I wish I know what they're saying, I could only pinpoint some.....but not all =(

2007-03-03, 09:53	Link #882
sakura_1990 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007	seriously i really hate kazuya... i agree he is like being on drugs, his actions are like WHAT THE HELL over-doing it lors... i feel sad for kuu.. she forgot about kyoshiro... and went with her stupid prince who looks like gay. kuu's machina is weird and funny... i still dont understand how did she get her machina and what's Waruteishia power anyway///

2007-03-03, 10:43	Link #883
xcxcxcc Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Mexico	hahahah lol kazuya does look like he is in drugs and im always like wtf after the stuff he does. well now i understand y mika is the way she is kayazu is fucked up what a fucking jerk i hate him more than kyoshiro.

2007-03-03, 10:59	Link #884
Kipp Uncertainty Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cornfields Age: 36	Obviously, it's up to Himiko to save the world. Maybe she'll have some secret ass kicking skills?!

2007-03-03, 18:20	Link #888
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	From my point of view, Kazuya has been completely honest about being a bastard It just so happens that Kyoshiro misinterpreted everything he did and say Kyoshiro has.. poetry vision too?

2007-03-04, 09:33	Link #898
Key Board Carbon Join Date: Nov 2003	I don't think Kuu necessarily loves Kyoshiro She loves her Prince h ttp://img139.imageshack.us/img139/7871/43mt2.gif h ttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/955/622lb5.png How does she start her typical day? With "My dear prince..."