2011-11-13, 18:12 | Link #30781 |
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OK guys, I need your help. I found the normal covers for the Vivid Manga 1-5, as well as four of the 5 special fanservice covers. I need three things, and I hope somebody here has them.
1. A full version of the normal volume 5 cover (mine does not have the side covers, as you'll see) 2. The third fanservice cover (from Gamers) 3. An actual version of the fifth fanservice cover (mine is a composed version) I am more then willing to share what I have: I do have one more question. I found a second fanservice cover.... is it legit? And if it is, where the hell did it come from? I also have another cover that I have no clue what it's from: |
2011-11-13, 20:57 | Link #30785 |
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Every character listed is a Caster, since well, they're a mage.
Fate can become not just a Lancer but also Saber. Chrono has the potential of an Assassin. Signum have the potential of an Archer, but if and only if she can use her Bow Form as more than just an ultimate attack. Hayate is not an Archer. An Archer's most important skill is to aim, and she's terrible without Rein. Erio has the potential of an Assassin. Sorry, could not resist since I'm a F/SN fan.
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2011-11-13, 21:09 | Link #30786 | |
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"Erio has the potential of an Assassin." Lol! I know this should be about Fate/Stay but since I'm currently watching Fate/Zero I just keep on seeing your comparison of Erio and the Assassins which just don't match.
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2011-11-13, 21:34 | Link #30787 |
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My take (purely based on weapon and/or skillset):
Nanoha: Archer Fate: Saber(Zanber), Lancer(Bardiche and Scythe plus her speed - "Servants placed within this class, many of which are Heroic Spirits who were knights, are very agile, proficient in hit-and-run tactics that capitalize on range and speed, and skilled with long-range melee weapons" ) Chrono: Archer Yuuno: Caster (Sphere Protection, Temporal Force Field and variants as Territory Creation, plus teleportation and dimensional transfer) Vita: Berserker Signum: Saber Shamal: Caster Hayate: Caster Erio: Lancer, Rider (the dragon is borrowed, but still) Subaru: Berserker, Rider (roller blades) Teana: Archer, Assassin (Optic Hide as Presence Concealment) Caro: Caster, Rider Can't peg what's best for Zafira, Arf, and the cat twins Some oldies
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2011-11-13, 21:36 | Link #30788 |
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Fate can't be a Lancer because she doesn't use a lance or a spear. It's that simple. She does have the agility needed for the class, though.
And no, Erio can't be an Assassin. Only Hassan can be summoned as Assassin (Kojiro was an abberation) because 1.) He's the etymology of the word assassin, and 2.) other assassins in the world are either a.) completely unknown or b.) not considered heros.
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2011-11-13, 22:02 | Link #30789 | |
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The Lancer class is about speed, mid-range combat, and hit-and-run tactics. Fate's weapon is always a pole-arm, whether a pole-axe, a scythe, or a massive sword on the end of a very long haft. Fate's combat tactics have always been about speed, and fighting in a range that her opponent doesn't prefer. Against a long-range shooter like Nanoha, she tries to engage at close-range whenever possible. Against Signum, Fate has to stay outside of close-range whenever possible because of the Blazing General's superior strength. The Saber class isn't so much about the sword, as I see it. Rather, they are the warriors who engage at close range and who stay in the thick of fighting, relying more on parrying and powerblows than on evasion for defense. Whereas a Lancer will retreat as a defense, a Saber will stand her ground against an assault. Conversely, a Berserker doesn't care one whit for any defense, except the defense of making sure the opponent is dead as soon as possible. Which is why Vita would be a natural fit for the Berserker class even without her fits of rage. The Archer from Fate/Stay Night was an Archer because he treated every sword he possessed as though it were an expendable arrow. He relied far more on choosing the right weapon for the job as though they were merely tools, rather than relying upon one weapon and his own swordsmanship. He was a swordsman, yes, but he was not a Saber. If pressed too hard, he would not stand his ground with skill and power -- he would retreat and select a new strategy and tool which would allow him to win. An Archer does not win by sheer strength and skill, but by intelligently pitting his advantages against his opponent's weaknesses. This is also why Chrono would make a good Archer, even beyond his preference for ranged attacks. Nanoha would classify for Archer almost on a technicality of being a ranged shooter, since she's generally more about overwhelming power than most Archers. But she also still has shades of the Archer class with her clever use of remote-controlled shots, and the way in which she turns a stronger opponent's power against them with Starlight Breaker. |
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2011-11-13, 22:22 | Link #30790 |
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This isn't up for debate. Lancers use lances/spears, Sabers use swords, Archers use projectiles, and Berserkers have to have gone berserker at some point in their life.
This is not my interpretation or anything. These are the laws of the Nasu Universe. Unlike Nanoha, Type Moon works have shit loads of background details and explainations for everything.
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I'm going to severely regret jumping in, but, just throwing my two cents here.
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You left out the part that said "...usually spears and lances." This is where I have to disagree with Fate being a Lancer, taking into account of how she uses Bardiche. Yes, Fate uses Bardiche, a pole-arm; yes, it turns into a scythe; yes, she's ludicrously fast. That don't make her a Lancer. Even with all her speed, Fate had to get in close and attack. Her shooting spells don't count here, as that would be considered a separate noble phantasm. Lancers have the advantage of having a modicum of range in battle, thanks to their longer weapons. What we've seen of Fate since StrikerS is a focus in using swords. Even in Force, chronologically the latest, she uses swords. Bardiche's pole-arm form has been relegated to active-standby. Now then, I will admit that her Big Boobs Sword mode could be considered a long-range melee weapon by sheer size... but it's still a sword. EDIT: Erio would make a pretty decent Lancer though. Mind you all that many notable Servants could have been summoned as a different class. FSN!Lancer could have been summoned as a Berserker; Gilgamesh could've been a Saber too, if he didn't care for getting close to the battle; FSN!Saber could've been a decent Rider (though a waste of her other skills). Type-Moon are usually rigid in their definitions, but there's usually a bit of flexibility. Unless Urobuchi Gen wrote the story. Then it's a goddamn tragedy AND YOU CAN DO NOTHING TO STOP IT. This is how Fate dies. Oh god 4am writing my brain is not working ANOTHER EDIT: I'm regretting this already.
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2011-11-14, 04:13 | Link #30796 |
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^_^ Continue to regret it, cuz I'm going on Fate's defense right now.
Erio would make a decent Lancer. Correct. Now, do you ever wonder from whom he learned his skills? ^_^ Actually I've been getting myself involved into a lot of arguments, that's so weird of me...
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2011-11-14, 04:15 | Link #30797 | |
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Usually, meaning that there's room for exception.
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And IMO Fate is too squishy to be a Saber Besides, the descriptions is actually pretty flexible. Jeanne de Arc counts as a Saber because of her ultimate weapon, but her primary one is a pole-arm, and Medusa become Rider despite never having used Pegasus, or any form of mount for that matters, in her entire life (and then there's contestable claims like Gilgamesh being Chaotic Good)
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