The 2009 Re-Launch of Haruhi Suzumiya (General Discussion)

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by dragon4dudes

would that little Christmas party scene in the first ending be shown?

I think the novel basically just skimmed over the actual party...

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

I think the novel basically just skimmed over the actual party...

The party occurs as a flashback near the start of "Snow Mountain Syndrome", in fair, if comparatively short, detail (it's where they hash out the visit to the titular mountain, going into such topics as Itsuki's announcement of another mystery game and Tsuruya-san's further establishment as having more money than God Bruce Wayne).

And goddamn, but SMS is fracking huge, isn't it? They are going to need two episodes for it... Crap...

[aegisofrime]

SMS was good, yup! Way better than Remote Mountain Syndrome. It would be good if they devoted two episodes to it.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

And goddamn, but SMS is fracking huge, isn't it? They are going to need two episodes for it... Crap...

They'll probably cut some of the (frankly) useless monologues from Sighs, or stuff we've 'already' seen in Episode 00 that they don't need to show 'again'.

Sighs CAN be done in three episodes. Don't underestimate KyoAni and their incredible content compression.

Originally Posted by aegisofrime

SMS was good, yup! Way better than Remote Mountain Syndrome. It would be good if they devoted two episodes to it.

Amusingly, RMS could easily have been done in one episode. I still don't know why they think they needed two for it.

[aegisofrime]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Amusingly, RMS could easily have been done in one episode. I still don't know why they think they needed two for it.

I agree with that. They could have easily done away with the fanservice, like the beach scenes and stuff, and cut straight to the murder investigation.

[Heatth]

Mood Whiplash.

We get a light episode full of fancervise and then a murder just occurs. The episode wouldn't be as entertaining if it cut straight to the mistery.

SMS could be somewhat like that, exept...

Spoiler for novels:

...this time "we"(I mean, casual viewers) would be expecting another plot from Koizumi (especially because they would be talking about this during all episode) when we get a realy dangerous and misterious situation.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by aegisofrime

SMS was good, yup! Way better than Remote Mountain Syndrome. It would be good if they devoted two episodes to it.

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Amusingly, RMS could easily have been done in one episode. I still don't know why they think they needed two for it.

Forum posting in the middle of the night is fu~n...

Make sure you're getting at least some sleep, guys... ^_^

Originally Posted by aegisofrime

I agree with that. They could have easily done away with the fanservice, like the beach scenes and stuff, and cut straight to the murder investigation.

Bite your tounge, heathen. We like our Mikuru-chan fanservice around here... ^_^

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Sighs CAN be done in three episodes. Don't underestimate KyoAni and their incredible content compression.

That's the problem. Four episodes is already trimming it down. It's not like the novel of Volume 2 itself is really all that much shorter than the one for Volume 1, which took six episodes to animate. I don't have both books to compare, obviously, but the Baka-Tsuki pages are 119 and 128 "page-downs" in length, respectively (a highly approximate and unscientific method that nonetheless gives a good comparative ratio assuming both are loaded into the same width window, which they were). And Volume 1 has all that space-killing formatting at the end to accomodate the >YUKI.N dialogues...

Aggh... This is going to bug me until they actually animate both novels and we get an idea where we'll be ending up... Now watch them throw an anime-original episode or two in there to really frak with us...

[spawnofthejudge]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Now watch them throw an anime-original episode or two in there to really frak with us...

This is both likely and something I want greatly.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Heatth

Mood Whiplash.

We get a light episode full of fancervise and then a murder just occurs. The episode wouldn't be as entertaining if it cut straight to the mistery.

SMS could be somewhat like that, exept...

Spoiler for novels:

...this time "we"(I mean, casual viewers) would be expecting another plot from Koizumi (especially because they would be talking about this during all episode) when we get a realy dangerous and misterious situation.

That has given me an idea. If they're going to go for the mood whiplash, why don't they rearrange things to make it accentuate that a bit better, by having "Where Did the Cat Go?" before the meat and potatoes of "Snow Mountain Syndrome?" It's not like the order really means anything, since while they both take place in the same place, they are fairly unrelated, and there is no explicit causal relationship between them.

Spoiler for for novel stuff:

Let's say we start out with the SMS flashback (to the hotpot party) where the trip itself is set up. Then, with a bit of establishing the group travelling to the mountain, we get into NekoDoko? immediately. Finish that up right before the end of the first episode, then after the ED, it's BAM, snowstorm, cliffhanger. Use the entire next episode and part of the one after for SMS (starting a ways back when they leave Imouto with Tsuruya-san), then give us the Intrigues prologue as a season ending Disappearance coda for that second half of the last episode.

I know this doesn't fix the "still gonna have to trim Sigh or Disappearance" issue, but it does better allow an Intrigues prologue end, which allows for an uninterrupted "Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru"/Intrigues start to the next season (which we want, yes?), and in a way helps allow for some compression of Disappearance. Thoughts?

[Kogetsu Shirogane]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Bite your tounge, heathen. We like our Mikuru-chan fanservice around here... ^_^

Said fanservice is the main reason I don't like Mikuru... Though I agree that it's good they didn't cut the "useless" parts, as I liked some of the particularly absurd places Nagato was reading

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

If they're going to go for the mood whiplash, why don't they rearrange things to make it accentuate that a bit better, by having "Where Did the Cat Go?" before the meat and potatoes of "Snow Mountain Syndrome?" It's not like the order really means anything, since while they both take place in the same place, they are fairly unrelated, and there is no explicit causal relationship between them.

The mystery was stated to be the end of the trip, and the way Haruhi acted towards Nagato was a direct result of SMS.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

That's the problem. Four episodes is already trimming it down. It's not like the novel of Volume 2 itself is really all that much shorter than the one for Volume 1, which took six episodes to animate. I don't have both books to compare, obviously, but the Baka-Tsuki pages are 119 and 128 "page-downs" in length, respectively (a highly approximate and unscientific method that nonetheless gives a good comparative ratio assuming both are loaded into the same width window, which they were). And Volume 1 has all that space-killing formatting at the end to accomodate the >YUKI.N dialogues...

B-T is down right so I can't check, but that book always FELT shorter to me for some reason.

Like, as though a lot less happens than Vol. 1.

When the site goes back up I'll flip through the book again and give you some idea of how they might do it.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kogetsu Shirogane

The mystery was stated to be the end of the trip, and the way Haruhi acted towards Nagato was a direct result of SMS.

I remembered the former, but that in itself doesn't affect the story and can be ignored. If it betters the broadcast and doesn't hurt anything, then switch it around and let the nitpickers pick all they want.

The latter, however, is important. As Kaisos noted, B-T is down and also I have no access to my saved copies. Mind posting some details, or PMing me?

[Heatth]

A have the books on PDF here. The Melancholy has 150 pg and the Sighs 131.

Yes, the Sighs isn't so shorter than Melancholy. However, a think that it has a slow pace. They talk a lot on this book.

Spoiler for Novels:

By the end of the chapter 2 (of 5) the had only filmed the commercial and no other plot other then Haruhi pulling then around. On chapter 3 thinks began to happen, Mikuru shots the lazer. Chapter 4 is more filming, more talking and "Mikuru is my toy.". Chapter 5 is when Haruhi's powers goes definetly out of control (talking cat, wrong season flowers...), the emergency Brigade (minus Haruhi) reunion and the solution (it is all
fiction)

Not too much actualy happens (and almost all on the last chapter), but there is a lot talking and explanation. However, that talking is very important to explain Haruhi's powers. Is kinda hard to figure out how much screentime the talking uses.

[Sackett]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

SMS is huge, isn't it? They are going to need two episodes for it... Crap...

Why not 1.5 episodes.

Combine the set up for Snow Mountain (arrival, unpacking, going out to play) with Love at First Sight which really doesn't need a whole episode.

Then have the true story of Snow Mountain be it's own episode.

[Tyabann]

Originally Posted by Sackett

Combine the set up for Snow Mountain (arrival, unpacking, going out to play) with Love at First Sight which really doesn't need a whole episode.

Uh, yeah, yeah it does. It's slow, yet there's a fair bit of stuff going on.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Kaisos Erranon

Uh, yeah, yeah it does. It's slow, yet there's a fair bit of stuff going on.

Yeah, he's right. It's actually the longest chapter in Volume 6. In the amount of space it takes up, it's actually quite a bit larger than "Bamboo Leaf Rhapsody", which barely fit into a single episode. "Charmed at First Sight LOVER" should be a lot easier to compress, though I imagine it may also be sans-OP due to time constraints.

A lot of that time will be saved by letting Sugita do his rapid fire Kyon thing. IIRC, it's a Kyon dialogue (and "monologue") heavy chapter.

[Jintor]

Oh yeah, I hadn't seen Kyonmonologue for a while and rewatched the first episode. Sugita sure speaks fast.

[velocity7]

Thought I'd give a heads up:

Haruhi Season 2 is in HD

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by Jintor

Oh yeah, I hadn't seen Kyonmonologue for a while and rewatched the first episode. Sugita sure speaks fast.

Oh yeah. I just reread it and it will fit into a single episode, but it will need to have some massive use of the rapid fire Kyonspeak, and there most likely won't be time for an OP.

This has also made me realize that the hotpot party flashback in SMS will need to stay a flashback. That actual event happens before CAFSLOVER, but the rest of SMS happens a few days after. If they stay chronological, it'll have to be a flashback.

Forgot how much the end of this chapter points back to Disappearance. Also Noizi Ito's hoodie!Yuki is hot... ^_^

Spoiler for for SMS, WDTCG?:

And looking over WDTCG? again, the Yuki references pointing back to SMS are only at the start of the chapter, and serve (in terms of plot progression) only to move up the time of the murder mystery. Assuming a reasonable replacement reason is given to perform the same plot function, I'd be willing to give up the one-off (for this chapter) show of concern for Yuki by Haruhi if it gets us a more broadcast friendly SMSa/WDTHCG?/SMSb/7Prologue order (plenty of opportunities to bump up Haruhi's performance in SMS later to display her concern for Yuki).

Originally Posted by velocity7

Thought I'd give a heads up:

Haruhi Season 2 is in HD

Weird article... Haruhi "S2" is made in HD but not broadcast in it? That 720p RAW of BLR certainly didn't look like an upscale of the 480p version...

[Tokkan]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Weird article... Haruhi "S2" is made in HD but not broadcast in it?

First season of Code Geass was animated in HD but was not broadcast in it.