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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 21 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 376 | 64.05% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 86 | 14.65% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 45 | 7.67% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 20 | 3.41% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 15 | 2.56% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 4 | 0.68% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 2 | 0.34% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 6 | 1.02% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 0.34% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 31 | 5.28% | |
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2008-09-02, 21:59 | Link #1301 |
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i gave this episode a 6 because things looked a t bit rushed, it would have been better if they would've expanded and went into more detail about some things instead of just rushing through things. The end caught me off guard, even though i knew something like that was going to happen because the next episode is "Emperor Lelouch" but how it happened surprised me.
I'm curious to see who's going to win between the Black King and the White King, its tricky because I can actually picture the series ending with Lelouch dying and/or losing to Schnizel. But who knows, and um .... is that Kallen on Lelouch's arm?! ... aww man bout time they got together. I dont think Suzaku is going to betray Lelouch though but who knows. |
2008-09-02, 22:03 | Link #1302 | |
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2008-09-02, 22:05 | Link #1303 |
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Of course it was rushed lol. They even skipped their usual formal alternate history background intro.
The only thing I hated about this episode is the whole deal with Charles and his philosophy. They tried to reduce the bad guy rold from him and put him on a father-figure level. Also everything about him was completely reversed, how he believed the weak had no fit in this world, and whatnot. His whole "world without lies" basically screwed everything that has been built up until now. BUT, STILL, the ending was so epic, I had to give it a 10. I haven't felt this refreshed about CG since the "Million Miracles" episode. |
2008-09-02, 22:15 | Link #1304 | ||||||||||||
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Goddamnit. 65 pages, and yet I haven't seen a single post that tries to address these allegations satisfactorily. Listen people, just because it's long doesn't mean it's 'reasonable': all lot of the 'contradictions' or 'plotholes' here are plain old bullshit, so really, just go ahead and post some counterpoints, okay?
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Some people already stated this, but Charles was only shown to have good intentions, not to be a good guy. If you actually paid attention to the show instead of automatically labelling Britannia as evil because it was Lelouch's enemy, though, you should have been able to pick this up. The Emperor's reaction to Euphie's massecre was the only major clue that his darwinist speeches were a mask in season one, but from season two: his promotion of Suzaku; his sparing of Lelouch and sending him back amongst his friends in Japan; his discussion with Nunally; his reproach towards V.V. for attempting to assassinate Lelouch; his conversation with Bismark regarding the effectiveness of War; and episode 15 in its entirety. V.V. said himself in episode 12 that they wished to destroy the "god which creates conflict", so it has been obvious for quite some time that Charles is a Knight Templar sort of character. Quote:
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2008-09-02, 22:38 | Link #1305 |
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This episode, hell- this show, has been pretty frickin amazing. And considering how many posts are generated every week in response to each & every episode is pretty much a testament to this. Mind, the flaming has been pretty vicious this week, but amusing nonetheless. I will disagree with some of the posts that think lelouch will go the way of "death note" though.
Lelouch has already gone past the point where it is impossible for him to get a good end. His parents were self-serving as#$@%^s who "protected the children they truly cared about" by mind-f@#$ing them, and then banishing them to a nation they were going to invade & take over anyways. His sister, who he fought for and fought to protect is dead. His first love & close relative friend is (and has been) quite dead. AND C.C. has reminded him last episode that this still wants to frickin die. Anything he attains at the end of the show will not be a good end. That being said, I don't think he'll have a necessarily bad end either. I think he'll take the role-reversal from being the "underdog protagonist in the shadows" and defend himself and his position from attack by Schneizel. Its certainly an innovative idea in any case. And I don't think he plans to throw his life away after all is said and done & die with C.C. If he wanted to die, he could have let "Gendo" finish his fun and play in Tang. In wishing for there to be a Tomorrow, he wanted to be there. He just has to defend tomorrow against Schneizel. Mind, I've been wrong before. Hell, maybe Schneizel is planning to throw kittens from orbit to destroy Guren & Kallen in front of lelouch's eyes before one lands on his hat . Four episodes gives them plenty of time to give us the type of mind games that Hideaki "Screw you all to hell" Anno would be proud of. |
2008-09-02, 22:47 | Link #1306 |
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after rewatching a few episodes of back in the day, something just popped into my head (dont know if they've been talked about)
When Marrianne said she was the one that saved Suzaku so he can still talk to Euphie..... WTF? SHE MADE TELEPORT H4X?! BACK IN R1? And ANother thing, I think Turn 2 or 3, Charles shows Suzaku the World of C through a pathway in one of Charles getaways..... So why was Charles pissed when Lelouch destroyed the Thought Elevator entrance when he still had methods to escape? Kinda struck at me randomly. |
2008-09-02, 22:50 | Link #1307 | |
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2008-09-02, 22:54 | Link #1309 | |
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and yea the second part's been answered to what I correspondingly belive. |
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2008-09-02, 23:03 | Link #1310 |
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This episode doesn't leave me with a good feeling as to how Lelouch will end up by the last episode. He became emperor too fast, too early. There's so much that can happen in the remaining episodes.
Not to mention, choosing Suzaku as his Knight ... Kaguya was looking like she came to the conclusion that Lulu and Suzaku were working together from the beginning. And with Suzaku's history of betrayals, and OoBK's current (mis)information on their exleader.. it doesn't look like they'll be supporting Lulu any time soon. Schneizel will most likely play up on that part as well. At this point, its Lelouch and Suzaku on their own against the world. I'm curious as to what role this Knight of Four will be having. She looks awfully like Yoruichi from Bleach. >D Kallen.. I'm disappointed with her..and have been since the end of R1. But I'll save my reservations for next episode. |
2008-09-02, 23:07 | Link #1311 | |
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2008-09-02, 23:14 | Link #1312 |
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I'm more thinking of what Schneizel will use against Lelouch than what Lelouch will do. xD He might even come public with the information on Geass, especially given that the entire court suddenly collectively changed their demeanor and opinion as a whole @_@. Britannia would be cut in half, and Schneizel will get the chaos he needs/wants to make a grab for the throne... or whatever it is that he wants.
On Kallen.. its more of a personal opinion on her. She walked away from Lelouch at the end of R1, I understand her motives and all that.. but every time she comes back to him only to leave again, it feels too easy. In 19, she'd just had her discussion with Lelouch in the elevator, and was about to mentally voice her thought that he's going to be alone again now that Nunnaly's gone, and then suddenly woosh, she's asking him what she means to him after a little push from the OoBk. And then she leaves. ! @_@ ; gah. ._.; yeah >_>; Ep 20 didn't have her do much either.. peer pressure and all but still >:T |
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2008-09-02, 23:26 | Link #1314 |
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But he does have proof ~ the entire court was geassed on international TV o.o~ Not to mention Odysseus was cut off in mid sentence. Sure, most people will take it as a hoax, but there'd bound to be confusion and chaos issuing from the debate.
Yes, Kallen did have good reason to walk away. But I meant before Lelouch calls her a pawn. She was all supportive of him back in the elevator. And this brings up to mind a previous episode in which Shirley also came to the conclusion that Lelouch is alone. Kallen has also came to that conclusion, yet, she suddenly backtracked when Ogi mentioned Geass. To me, it just really didn't feel like the place to question immediately after such strong feelings of support. I dunno if that came out clear or not <_<;; Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Lulu and Kallen. Its just that scenes like that really .. makes me want to kick her a bit and get her going. |
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2008-09-02, 23:58 | Link #1316 |
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I wanted to give this episode a 10, but settled on 7. There just isn't enough set up for Charles' turnaround. He's still the villain, but the sympathy point for him is totally forced. Everything is too rushed.
The ending of the ep is good though, the usual Lelouch strategic move. |
2008-09-03, 00:02 | Link #1317 |
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Lelouch hasn't been doing much about it so far though. *_* I'm assuming he's bidding his time for the month in between. Now that he's revealed himself though, I hope whatever he does won't sink him in further xD~ Its hard to rule an empire if you have to geass everyone into it.
Is that it.~ That's an interesting way of looking at it. *rewatching the part a bit* Perhaps it was a bit too subtle for me in the overall ~ But regardless, throughout the series she kept coming back to him and then ditching him. Her teeter-tottering insecurity about him is really what drives me up the wall. She has seen him at his weakest points, his most obnoxious, and she knows him, what he is like, better most other. Kallen has seen him as Zero and as Lelouch, she already knows he's a good actor. She'd seen him when he was most human when he was about to take refrain. I'd like to think she'd learned a lot about the type of person he is through all that. Yet when it comes to who she is to him, she gives up on him just like that. Kallen's girl-side is a bit scary. ~ |
2008-09-03, 00:03 | Link #1318 | |
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If Schneizel can take down Lelouch with the black Knights in a span of two episodes, I don't think he would handle this any different. Looks like he suspected it as well so he had a month to plan. That and an ending where Lelouch controls most of Britannia, would be boring since he already has all the best mecha pilots (Suzaku, and soon to be Kallen). It would make Gundam Seed Destiny's ending look like an imaginative thrill ride if Schneizel didn't have some advantage. Imagine Gundam ending with Amuro and Char taking on Zeon, it wouldn't be fun it would be a slaughter. |
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2008-09-03, 00:06 | Link #1319 | |
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2008-09-03, 00:22 | Link #1320 | |
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Of course sadly, instead of a competent storyline where instead going to get Schneizel gloating about his ULTRA SECRET WEAPON that are always destroyed easily like in pretty much every Gundam series, and any veteran mecha fan will see coming miles away. Code Geass problem is that its trying to tell too epic a storyline in 52 episodes, so instead of having character development, all where getting is plot twists, and since their only seems to be one remaining, I don't see how this can end excitingly. |
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