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View Poll Results: Macross Frontier - Episode 22 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 94 | 58.39% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 41 | 25.47% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 10 | 6.21% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 1.86% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 5 | 3.11% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 2 | 1.24% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 6 | 3.73% | |
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2008-09-04, 18:55 | Link #161 | |
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As for the Brera thing, do be honest I don't see that they even have much time for that. He'll react and get over it quickly. From the looks of things Frontier will not be anywhere near Ranka until the end of ep 24 or ep. 25. I've always been the pessimist and thought it would be a RankaxAlto end, but this ep does give me some hope. However, I'm still wary. To me ep 21 just shouts RankaxAlto end. I'm afraid they might make SherylxAlto and then kill her off and throw RankaxAlto together. I hope something works out and she gets cured. Because I want at least ONE of the two couples I've been shipping lately to win. Cause I don't think Kalulu is going to work out in the end. So SherylXAlto must win!
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2008-09-04, 18:56 | Link #162 |
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I just saw the raw, If thats pity I'll eat my hat. I cried , that was the most powerful scene ever, so much emotion shown by alto & sheryl, even if I didnt understand a single word they said, it moved me to tears. I refuse to believe alto's not in love with Sheryl after that, I cant see him going back to ranka, I just cant, not after that. I loved alto's show of emotion, his voice, eyes, the hug, everything. This episode rocked.
If alto/ranka happens after this, I swear, I'm going to haunt Kawamori for life.......it just would be sooooo inconsistant & soooo disappointing. |
2008-09-04, 19:07 | Link #163 |
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If Alto abandons Sheryl for Ranka....man, I don't know what to say. Not after the things he said in that scene. The only way I could see it happening is if Sheryl is dead. Which of course, could happen unfortunately. But if he does go Ranka chasing and abandons his pledge to stay with Sheryl while she is alive then he is lower than dirt.
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2008-09-04, 19:17 | Link #164 |
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Seconded! He'd be the biggest asshole ever! But it'd be totally out of character for him to do something like that, sure he can be a jerk sometimes but I dont see him sinking to a level as low as that. I dont think kawamori would bastardize his character like that without any purpose. ( ranka getting her alto in the end would be a very sucky reason , IMO, Plot obviously doesnt require it, so why would he?)
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2008-09-04, 19:29 | Link #165 |
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so anyway,
did anyone notice that Alto was using a 171 Valkyrie in this episode? a downgrade instead of an upgrade in my mecha anime? more likely than you think on the other hand, Grace got showed of glimpse of her new valk Grace is the main character!? |
2008-09-04, 19:29 | Link #166 |
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The Sheryl/Alto scene was beautiful, but I agree with what others have said in that it's not all entirely clear whether it's Sheryl and Alto are a done deal. Has Alto really connected with Sheryl on the emotional level as a significant other or is he moved by empathy to her tragic predicament? Perhaps it's a mixture of both, but it's still ambiguous.
I'm curious though, as to what path Alto will ultimately take, after Ozma posed that question during their duel. Has he already decided to stay back on Frontier in order to protect Sheryl? Many decisions are practically made by circumstances--Alto missed his chance when he had to stay by Sheryl's side. By the end of the episode though, he is extremely frustrated with everything that has happened. How the story then turns out, I think, will largely depend on Alto's choices in the final episodes as the last scenes seem to hint. Just like those Galaxy entities, I was elated when the Vajra planet was revealed. Never has the prospects of seeing massive Itano circuses and dogfights in a real sky been so good (frankly, no Macross series would be complete without a real atmospheric battle). |
2008-09-04, 19:31 | Link #167 | |
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2008-09-04, 19:33 | Link #168 | |
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Darkwing... I understand you I find it funny that people are making assumption like they kissed in that scene although they didn't show it. In episode 20 they showed sheryl over alto but no one here dared to say(even if at the end it was confirmed she fainted), that they were lovey dovey because it would have put sheryl on the bad role. Now yesterday, they just showed Alto wipe away her tears but this was good for alto and sheryl so it happenned, they kissed ... You see what you want to see.... I read here people talking about alto who didn't confesses to Ranka unlike her, so this is over... He didn't confessed to sheryl too and worst, unlike Ranka ,she is dying.... If he really loved her like people are saying here, he would have confessed already no? since this is the perfect time to do so. People were taking me like crazy when I talked about the romance between alto and Ranka but THIS episode was full of it for those two and was it resolved,? no . The " If you really want to sing then I will be with you" is kind of disturbing no,? I call it staying with a dying person out of pity at this point. People here don't want to make the link with episode 20 -21 ? Michel died, Ranka leaved and now sheryl is dying . For the first time since episode 1 he saw her crying, people assume because he takes her in his arms that yeah, he loves her... but she is her only friend(Luca and him are not that close). Mickail and Ranka are not here anymore, of course he doesn't want to lose her... Looks like you should go out of your bubble. you're all win, win celebration party... People tell i don't get it, but was I wrong in what I said since the beginning? no. People think it's already over... you are too predictable. And for the person who said the image i posted didn't have anything to do with the romance. Alto didn't make his choice unlike Ozma and Ranka but why would Ozma tell him " for what are you wings for" if not for Ranka ? In what taking his VF has something to do with sheryl ? She is in Frontier and doesn't plan to move since she is ill. So this is between staying with sheryl or going to Ranka no ? But if he stays with sheryl he can says byb bye to the sky and his VF.... (Ranka is gone,the vajra too so NUNS has no use now ..) Someone also posted something about anata no oto for the final in linking it to Sheryl but people may have forgot this is Ranka's song and the played part for sheryl and Alto was already played..... Don't bury ranka yet. She will surprise you. |
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2008-09-04, 19:39 | Link #169 |
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Of course she'll surprise us, she always does. Sometimes it good, sometimes its bad.
All I know right now is that I like the Alto x Sheryl interactions and to never trust Macross... especially after what happened in SDF with Minmei and Misa.
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2008-09-04, 19:43 | Link #170 | |
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2008-09-04, 19:47 | Link #172 |
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Oh I'm still pessimistic and think they'll shove RankaxAlto at us in the final episode. Though part of me strongly hopes not. It is looking more and more like there will be a bitter sweet ending. Sheryl dying or something like that.
Of course, I do think Ranka will have a big move. She certainly will be the key to bringing peace among both humanity and the vajra. Will she win Alto? Maybe. Who knows. But you also seem to not be considering that neither Sheryl nor Ranka will win in the end. We could get the unresolved end. Sheryl dying, Ranka staying with the Vajra.
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2008-09-04, 19:52 | Link #173 | |
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That said, dunno if it's only me but I did have the impression that the main reason why Alto didn't go with SMS was to be with Sheryl. Besides he had just finished telling Sheryl that he would be with her till the end and running away with Ozma right after would've been a bit ridiculous ^^; The last part of the episode felt weird though cause Ozma & co are clearly depicted as the "good guys" (quite obviously since we know what Leon has been scheming), but then what's the role of Alto, Sheryl and Luca right now? Allies of the bad guy without knowing that he's a bad guy maybe? I wish they showed what was that Ozma sent to everyone in SMS D: |
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2008-09-04, 20:10 | Link #174 | ||
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I remember about you and your post. No offense, but how old are you ? Quote:
This has nothing to do. It's better for her to live even if alto loves Ranka no ? Now that they made Alto finding out about sheryl's illness before choosing the girl... this is pretty obvious Alto and sheryl will not happen. They perfectly know Ranka's fan will say the Alto and sheryl pair is a false since he took her because of her disease, not because of her... Why did they do that ? To prepare sheryl 's fan for the shock which will follow. Yes, and reading the post here, i think this is working... they are showing you some hints not, prooves about a sheryl who is winning over alto but where this is wrong, is with alto finding out the thuth about her. And this lead us towards what I said a while ago about sheryl's disease who is the one who make alto being in a closest relationship with her. Some people overanalized the characters saying this is not true... well this episode proves me right. And Kawamori said alto will make his choice.... so episode 24 with Ranka's come back ? |
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2008-09-04, 20:14 | Link #175 | |
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Being an outside observer and not rooting for either of the two girls I think Sheryl has the upper hand, even though he knowing she is dying make it look like pity. |
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2008-09-04, 20:18 | Link #177 |
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You do realize that Alto could make his choice and still not end up with that person? Like I said, Sheryl dying or Ranka going with the Vajra. Kawamori won't necessarily give us a happy ending.
Oh he doesn't have to only go to Ranka if Sheryl dies. The writers are free to do whatever with him. I'm just saying that if he goes chasing after Ranka after he has already pledged to stay by Sheryl's side that is a pretty shitty thing to do imho. That's all. Doesn't mean he won't do it of course. Though maybe Sheryl will actually encourage him to go after her. That's a thought. If that was the case it would be slightly less reprehensible on his part.
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2008-09-04, 20:21 | Link #179 | ||
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I'd like to point out to you that you're riding on a pretty fine line there. In fact, my respect for you and your arguments has gone down a notch. Keep to discussion rather than making personal attacks. Quote:
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