Owarimonogatari - Episode 9 Discussion / Poll (Shinobu Mail Part 3)

[Kairin]

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[Stark700]

Watching Araragi fight was fun especially with his swords skills.

For some reason, I find the scenes with Shinobu in it to be particular amusing mostly because of the funky beat music used. The word plays were fun to see as well. Nice to see Izuko this episode as well.

The info dump about the samurai warrior and stuff was interesting along with her theories of Kiss-Shot.

[moodie]

Oh god that first 2 minutes was probably the best intro to an episode yet.

Seeing Shinobu eating that thing was soo cute lol. Oh god ARARARARAGI UR SO LUCKY!!! TO GET TO SEE SHINOBU UPSKIRT!!!!! Damn Ararargi laughing to recreate that scene in earlier episodes was a good treat. I started laughing along for a while.

I love how whenever we see Gaen the sky is always in that color. There was important dialog being held at the moment. Also a lot of talks about the past. Makes me realize that having Kizu next year was the perfect place. W.e you wanna speculate about Shaft I think it was more intentional than anything. The PV for kizu served enough info for this make sense visually.

Tbh this was a very well directed episode and the art and animation looks extremely well. Probably my fav in the season because it drops so many clues and hints to whats to come and what has happened. As she said it was very vague but its obvious that it will all connect in the end of the arc. The ending scene was done beautifully as well.

[Izumo]

Amazing episode, fantastic way to adapt this arc thanks to SHAFT.

The intro was perfect with all that fight and Araragi being able to use Shinobu's sword (technically isn't her sword and not even the real one). After the fight one of those special characters is finally here, Gaen Izuko.

All the explanation from Gaen allowed to clearly understand the fragments of information from previous arcs, like the ones coming from Tsubasa Tiger. For some reason I feel like Araragi is mostly useless until someone kicks him in the head to finally understand what is going on, Oshino meme was one of those who helps Araragi to keep that attitude but thanks to Izuko that's finally over.

Now the next episode is moving directly into Shinobu's past and how everyone is going to deal with the first servant.

As I said on previous episodes, this is the AOTS and maybe AOTY.

[Anh_Minh]

15 years ago... Karen's birth?

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

15 years ago... Karen's birth?

Specifically almost everything Araragi got involved in was related to the vampire minion showing up in Japan 15 years ago.

The next episode would go into details, but enough to say that oddities attract other oddities. So this one town ended up with this many oddities was caused by this one event.

Almost, because Cat was the one thing that existed BEFORE the 15 year cutoff, so Hanekawa was independent and thus an unknown factor.

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

15 years ago... Karen's birth?

Gaen's info dump lead me to a different conclusion...

Spoiler for Speculations:

Ougi....

I think Ougi is the latest form of the latest form of Shinobu's first minion, Ougi seems way too abnormal, Ougi's unexplained interest & knowledge of Araragi, physically appears to be around age 15 by being a first year it fits, just seemed to come from no where, never really talks about themselves, & given the imagery shown Ougi being that & the darkness would make perfect sense to me.

This was my first immediate reaction, or perhaps even since ougi seems to be from the future at times, Ougi is the full recovered form of the minion, or something.

Or maybe I am just looking too deep on some answers to what Ougi is, cause it sure doesn't seem like human is the answer to me.

Also the OP is seriously amazing, and has been a great arc so far.

[DorkingtonPugsly]

Man that exact cover ver. of the exorcist theme really rubs me the wrong way whenever it's played.
Otherwise it's okay.

[Dop]

^ So I'm not the only one thinking "Hang on, isn't this the music from 'The Exorcist'?" whenever that plays.

[Syan48306]

Oh man not gonna lie, I'm utterly confused by this episode. It's like every few episodes, i'm finding myself on these forums trying to figure out what or why something happened. lol.

[Proto]

Originally Posted by Konakaga

Gaen's info dump lead me to a different conclusion...

Spoiler for Speculations:

Ougi....

I think Ougi is the latest form of the latest form of Shinobu's first minion, Ougi seems way too abnormal, Ougi's unexplained interest & knowledge of Araragi, physically appears to be around age 15 by being a first year it fits, just seemed to come from no where, never really talks about themselves, & given the imagery shown Ougi being that & the darkness would make perfect sense to me.

This was my first immediate reaction, or perhaps even since ougi seems to be from the future at times, Ougi is the full recovered form of the minion, or something.

Or maybe I am just looking too deep on some answers to what Ougi is, cause it sure doesn't seem like human is the answer to me.

Also the OP is seriously amazing, and has been a great arc so far.

Spoiler for speculation on speculation. references oni and tsukimonogatari:

Am I missing something? I thought that the obvious speculation given the events in Onimonogatari and Tsukimonogatari was the Ougi was an avatar of the darkness, the bringer of equilibrum and maker of all things 'right and proper'. I'm not trying to be pedantic here but I really thought that if this is not a fact then it is a Chekhov gun staring in our face, but still it surprises me not more people are talking about this given that they have made this reference with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

[risingstar3110]

So if oddities attract other oddities, and Araragi attract oddities, wouldn't the logical assumption is: Araragi is a reincarnation of that first vampire minion? But then he actually met the Samurai Clad face-to-face so...hmmm.. maybe that 400 years old minion was splited into two? One absorbed by Araragi, and another formed into that armour?

Because otherwise who else? (assume that character already been introduced). In situation like these, the most normal/ bland character would be the one. But then there is no normal character in this anime.

Karen perhaps, she is the most normal character in the whole cast, her super strength aside.

[Hakai]

Araragi's laugh
I watched that over 10 times
Also Gaen talked for like 9 minutes straight...As someone who finds her character to be very annoying the second half of this episode was kinda hard to watch

[Kotohono]

Originally Posted by Proto

Spoiler for speculation on speculation. references oni and tsukimonogatari:

Am I missing something? I thought that the obvious speculation given the events in Onimonogatari and Tsukimonogatari was the Ougi was an avatar of the darkness, the bringer of equilibrum and maker of all things 'right and proper'. I'm not trying to be pedantic here but I really thought that if this is not a fact then it is a Chekhov gun staring in our face, but still it surprises me not more people are talking about this given that they have made this reference with the subtlety of a sledgehammer.

Spoiler for speculation reply:

Yes those arcs clearly alluded to Ougi being the darkness... (both of which take place after this current arc)

But I meant we don't know why or how Ougi came to exist... as Ougi just appeared with and was introduced to Araragi by Kanabaru who just so happens to be also be involved in this arc, which I don't think is a coincidence.

So my speculation wasn't about Ougi being the darkness, but rather the first minion becoming or being Ougi from the beginning.