[Anime] Umineko - Q & A

[Fishcaek-Chan]

The complication of Battler's existance could very well have something to do with the rest of the island, but having to do with Beatrice? Unlikely.

[ChibiBear]

I swear I read somewhere that it did... I need to get my eyes checked

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Beatrice said in read that the sin had nothing to do with her...
I've wrote in the [anime] episode 24 thread about the swap i think happend, but at birth not 6 years ago....

Spoiler for swap:

Maybe 6 years ago he found out that he was swapped and leaked it on an accident, and was he so shocked that he banned that memory... or something like that xP

[Joneleth]

I'm still going for

Spoiler for theory:

Battler's being Kyrie supposedly dead son.
Asumu's child died and she swapped the babies. (Her son and Kyrie's were born on the same day.)

[Dlanor A. Knox]

Originally Posted by ChibiBear

But the sin had something so do with Beatrice right? And his sin is what is causing the events on the island?

the sin of Battler had nothing to do with Beato, she said that in red already + Beato already died (Rosa flashback thingy) before Battler was born.

[KanonTheFurniture]

I'm kinda surprised that I've never heard any VN players ever refer back to the beginning of EP3, when the kids are all hanging out on the beach together. The Anime (understandably in this case, would be hard to adapt well) removed some of the nuances of that scene, but it really strongly indicates how little about six years prior Battler actually remembers. I couldn't find any clips on YouTube of this scene, so I recorded my own - beware sucky quality and lack of audio, but it's the dialogue that really matters here: Six Years Ago

When I first began EP3 and got to this scene, I could tell it was a little suspicious and found some of what was said strange, but having gone back and read it again now with knowledge of EP4 and Battler's sin, it strikes a lot closer to home. I recommend Anime-only viewers check it out, because I think it provides some strong hints as to Battler's sin. I can think of at least 3 or 4 different potential theories in this scene alone.

[Skullchukka]

When asked if Shannon remembers anything more embarassing about Battler, she says " I remember various other things, but...... since it looks like the person in question wants to forget them, I think I will refrain from saying any more..."

Since they kept that scene on the anime as well, maybe we can think it has a link to some important event? Maybe even the sin...

[Fishcaek-Chan]

Originally Posted by Skullchukka

When asked if Shannon remembers anything more embarassing about Battler, she says " I remember various other things, but...... since it looks like the person in question wants to forget them, I think I will refrain from saying any more..."

Since they kept that scene on the anime as well, maybe we can think it has a link to some important event? Maybe even the sin...

That's right! I think most of us forgot about Battler's horrid memory!! If he couldn't remember anything from ther six years since they last visited, that's the key isn't it?? O Battler-kun, Gambare!!;;

[June 1983]

Yeah, I think that line from Shannon is definitely a big clue.

I remember that the VN players being very interested in whether that scene would be included when the beginning of EP3 was animated, and intrigued when we saw what parts of it had been kept.

[Workworkwork]

Originally Posted by June 1983

Yeah, I think that line from Shannon is definitely a big clue.

I remember that the VN players being very interested in whether that scene would be included when the beginning of EP3 was animated, and intrigued when we saw what parts of it had been kept.

Of course, it's good to keep in mind that just because the anime didn't have it, doesn't mean it isn't important. Just not necessary for a casual viewer.

[Kakera of Fate]

Does anybody have a complete list of reccuring events from chapter 1 to 4?
If possible in chronological order. Feel free to specify in which chapters that event happened, i.e: if it happens in only 2 chapters but it's the exact same event, that counts as reccuring as much as if it happened in all four chapters in my book. I don't want to miss any lead.

Spoiler for example:

Maria's rose happens in chapters 1 through 3, if I remember correctly. I'm unsure about chapter 4.

[Marion]

After EP 1 when the rose is mentioned in the next episodes it's just briefly skimmed over. Like a panel or two saying "Maria found a dying rose, but George put a marking on it"

[KanonTheFurniture]

Originally Posted by June 1983

Yeah, I think that line from Shannon is definitely a big clue.

I remember that the VN players being very interested in whether that scene would be included when the beginning of EP3 was animated, and intrigued when we saw what parts of it had been kept.

Battler promised her that he'd come back for her (white horse not entirely necessary), but then he was absent for 6 years. It could be that Shannon took that seriously for one reason or another, be it romantic or otherwise, and had that promise betrayed when he didn't come back ("see you again"). It's possible that the reason she stops sharing her Battler memories isn't because she's trying to refrain from embarrassing an important guest, but because Battler 'not wanting to remember those days' upset her. Jessica also seems to point out in particular that Shannon has a surprisingly good memory, which seems significant, as does the fact that Battler can't seem to remember anything - he makes it sound like he was too young and too much time has passed, but he and Jessica are the same age, and even she remembers more than he does.

[ChibiBear]

Hmm, too bad Shannon died or Battler could ask her about his sin.

[Marion]

Originally Posted by ChibiBear

Hmm, too bad Shannon died or Battler could ask her about his sin.

Um there's nothing saying that Battler's 'promise' to Shannon is the sin - it's just a theory.

[SilverSyko]

Just a question I feel like asking since I read complaints about it so much.

Who is Goat-kun and what significance does he have exactly?

I realize he's one of the goatmen but what makes him so special?

[MeoTwister5]

Originally Posted by SilverSyko

Just a question I feel like asking since I read complaints about it so much.

Who is Goat-kun and what significance does he have exactly?

I realize he's one of the goatmen but what makes him so special?

He's the goat who's was supposed to get his ass handed to him by Krauss, which is saying much because Krauss was pretty much a wussy the entire story. It was supposed to be his one and only moment of awesome and it was... well you knpw what happened.

[SilverSyko]

Originally Posted by MeoTwister5

He's the goat who's was supposed to get his ass handed to him by Krauss, which is saying much because Krauss was pretty much a wussy the entire story. It was supposed to be his one and only moment of awesome and it was... well you knpw what happened.

Wow, honestly that sounds hardly like something to fuss over. I was expecting a role of much greater importance.

Just another mindless servant to kill or be killed.

[Tjfarmer]

Well, this goat had a family, and was going to propose to someone (or was he married?) And his telling about his life tripped loser flags, making this boing sound that pissed Virgillia off, and increasing Krauss's power level high enough so he could kill the goat in one punch.

It was just a small comedy scene that I totally forgot existed, probably because I was reading that scene at 5 in the morning.

[ijriims]

Is there a scene in the anime that Rosa was shown to have some child-sedative with her? if so. Please tell me which episode as well.