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In retrospect, it was an unfortunate event without any question, however, the decision to shoot at a vehicle to neutralize the operator inside which just struck a police vehicle was made in split seconds. The police were looking for five individual who were responsible for a gunfire earlier that struck nearby homes. Quote:
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2009-11-29, 23:53 | Link #4784 | |
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The usage of firearm could have brought more light than to that plain report. What kind of firearm is it? It is probably semiauto, but what is the caliber? Roughly of what make is it (SIG, H&K, Browning, Beretta, Glock, FN)? Which part of the bodies were the officers shot? From what range?
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2009-11-30, 02:29 | Link #4785 | ||
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Of course, our thugs are a lot less lethal than yours. But so are our policemen. So I guess it works out? Quote:
Then I'm tempted to say maybe they should have thought it through a bit longer. Last edited by Anh_Minh; 2009-11-30 at 02:44. |
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2009-11-30, 03:48 | Link #4786 | |
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2009-11-30, 06:42 | Link #4787 |
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Actually, it does. Profiling and investigation of the wounds would establish whether the culprit is an amateur, or an experienced fellow who knows how to shoot. Also, from the type of gun used, you can work out roughly whether the guy had some serious links with the underworld, or simply used guns which were bought legally. The experts will be able to get clues from seemingly meaningless details.
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2009-11-30, 07:25 | Link #4788 | |
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And I have to agree with him, in terms of news for public consumption, this is all extraneous information except for those who want to play armchair detective with the case. That and often investigators would also be cautious and hold back from telling the news how much they've really figured out so far lest they jeopardize the investigation. |
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2009-11-30, 08:18 | Link #4790 |
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That said by zhanquan, the most important motive is still whether the media is sensationalising the news (which they have ALWAYS done to gain readership, damned bastards). Overgeneralising can cause moral panic sometimes.
One example is the Virginia Tech massacre, in which the killer bought Walther P22 and Glock 19 pistols. The P22 is accurate due to the minimal recoil cartridge, while the Glock is able to hold high capacity magazines of beyond 15 rounds. Also, it helps the readers to make more informed judgements regarding firearm issues rather than just that "ban all firearms" or "shoot all anti-gun ownership supporters" stance. With so little information, it could be that the police is clamping down on the press to prevent "judicial damage" to their department.
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2009-11-30, 09:37 | Link #4791 |
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Followup on the ambush killings of police officers in Washington State, US. The perp appears to be a somewhat wacko hardcase. His backstory is pretty bizarre. They have his house surrounded and think he's wounded/dead from the exchange of gunfire during the ambush.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...90&ft=1&f=1001
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2009-11-30, 10:39 | Link #4792 | |
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2009-11-30, 10:59 | Link #4793 | |
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2009-11-30, 14:59 | Link #4795 | ||
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2009-11-30, 17:11 | Link #4796 | ||
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However, I have, like most people, a lot of experience in not being shot at, which are the circumstances our brave policemen found themselves in, and I must say, I find their answer rather unconventional. Quote:
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2009-11-30, 17:25 | Link #4797 | ||
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Time, place and circumstances if you cannot handle them, this profession isn't for you. There is that risk that comes with this kind of profession. No matter how good you are you might have to make a potentially fatal decission where you need to decide in a case of doubt if you just know yourself or take the risk to assume the potential attacker as relatively harmless until proven otherwise which can be a "dead end" if proven otherwise. Imo the first choice is just about protecting yourself while the latter is about protecting people. Now if my english was better I could make my point a little bit more refined and precise. Quote:
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2009-11-30, 17:35 | Link #4798 | |
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For example, most rank and file officers strongly support concealed carry for citizens - they consider them the 'back up of last resort' and a deterrent. Its only the association of "police chiefs" (political appointments) that have opposed such a concept and even then only a slim majority. Most police want the public to be able to defend themselves because they know they can't get there instantly. I have 8 relatives in various levels of law enforcement - I get to hear this discussion frequently. So ... you have to balance that against the ease of idiots, wackjobs, and loonies getting hold of guns. Balancing accessibility to the law-abiding public versus them is very tough. Sidenote: knowing the model/make of a weapon used in a crime doesn't really tell you a huge amount other than *maybe* a guess at the skill level of the perp. Example: Mac-10s are generally used by idiots (gangs) when they can get them, it tends to shoot everyone but the target. A Glock, otoh, doesn't tell you a thing - they're preferred by police officers for the special safety function and their reliability. Meh.... so forth and blah.
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I can think of a couple of countries that may fit - where the criminals can be just as powerful as the law. If a policeman kills the wrong person - even in self-defense - retaliation is entirely possible. Quote:
- His attitude/mood/etc. at the time. - The relationship between him and his target, and even that is no guarantee these days. - Any fear of retaliation, but that means society's rules have broken down in this space. Unfortunately, "hero cop" stories do not tend to stay long on the front page, and people don't agitate for them - not unless it becomes a human interest story; even that does not stay for too long. Whereas a police officer who shoots someone in self-defense (thinking it was needed at the time, but really was not) ends up being... crucified in news and etc. As for the choice of weapons, eh. This is the U.S. where you can freely buy a gun at a show without a huge problem so long as you have the cash. There are reputable dealers who won't sell to unqualified people, but greed and need will make sure that under-the-table sales will happen. Unless we are talking fairly exotic weapons that don't usually appear in public like a Barrett or a H&K G11 perhaps. Obama faces steep challenges in new Afghan policy Quote:
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If you only think about yourself in that situation it is basically about protecting yourself at the heart of the matter. One cannot expect fair judgement of the situation in such an incident. Quote:
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Admittedly there are situations where you cannot really know, for example being at gun point of a realisticly looking toy-gun. Who would blame the police officer if he mistook it for a real thread? But shooting down a driver just because he rammed a police car... unacceptable - the means of force are way beyond necessity of that situation.
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