2011-06-29, 10:38 | Link #161 |
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Actually I think it is alright that Steins;Gate sold out 11-12k BD copies alone.This figure had even surpassed Index II v5 and other Spring series except Tiger & Bunny.However,what intrigues me is that what happened to Steins;Gate DVD sales figure.Is it that the fans are focusing on the BD version and not DVD,causing DVD to have zero (not possible) or minimal sales to the point that the figure did not even ranked?Or is it that the sales were not being counted yet?
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2011-06-29, 10:46 | Link #162 |
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The sales were counted, it's just that it didn't make the Top 100 list so it has sold less than 861 copies on DVD. It could be @ 800 for all we know... we will find out... I'm sure someone will update this thread. As for the extreme ratio it just shows that Steins;Gate has been picked up by otakus only for the most part... as time goes on every show will be like that.. you'll have something in the future that sells a fair bit less than Madoka but break the Week 1 BD record because DVD sales will be dead by than.. sorta like how Madoka only has that record because BD has been getting stronger over the passage of time... compare Macross Frontier's Vol 1 opening week of 22k BD to 18k DVD back than... now would likely be 32/8... by 2013 probably 39.5/0.5...
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As for why S;G's DVDs aren't listed, as Westlo said, they didn't make the Top 100, meaning they sold less than 861 copies. It could be theorized that the reason for this is that Steins;Gate's fanbase is very otaku heavy, like K-ON! and Ika Musume, so the ratio between DVD and BD is very lopsided. Not really, it just indicates how otaku oriented the show is. That's not to say that no otaku own DVDs, there are just different types of otaku. The crowd that S;G attracts are very techno savvy and stay up to date on all the latest tech, so most of them own BD players.
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2011-06-29, 13:50 | Link #165 | |
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I don't see how Nichijou is them branching out of their usual "crap" either. It's pretty in tune with the whole lackadaisical all-female cast slice of life err..."crap" that they've been doing for a while now. |
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2011-06-29, 14:04 | Link #166 |
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I think that the Manabi Line is somewhere between 3 and 4 thousand sales, although that's not exactly common knowledge. It's considered a "break even" point for anime DVD/Blu-Rays.
However, I seriously question how applicable it is to Kyoto Animation, since KyoAni doesn't outsource their animation work (last I checked) and hence pays more for it than most other animation studios do. Most KyoAni works come across to me as high budget affairs, and whatever critiques can be made of Nichijou, its animation quality is very high (please keep in mind here that "animation quality" is not the same as "art style quality", the latter being somewhat more subjective, imo).
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Usually around 3k to 4k, though it depends on the project. Low quality anime might have it lower, higher produced higher. Edit: ninja'd
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2011-06-29, 14:11 | Link #168 |
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They started up an animation school recently didn't they? It would not be out of reason that Nichijou is those students homework. It would cut costs down a bit, and provide both maximum effort and a lot of room to try different things out (lots of different style used in Nichijou).
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2011-06-29, 14:23 | Link #169 | |
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The show is certainly interesting and appealing visually, but I have to question the high budget given to a comedy show just so they could have fun around with it when they might have made it an ONA, i.e. something like Haruhi-chan, and be released in sketch format rather than full episodes. Either way, I think that a whole lot of the series problems has to do with it thinking as long as it ups the randomness while having great animation, it could substitute the comedic nature most of the time. The end result is a somewhat amusing comedy at times, but usually it just falls flat.
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2011-06-29, 14:25 | Link #170 |
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So the Manabi Line is basically what I thought then. Frankly that seems like a really narrow definition for a break even point that doesn't consider a whole bunch of other important factors like budget, investment, marketing, advertising, expected profit margin etc.
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2011-06-29, 14:50 | Link #171 |
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Well, you need to remember that Late Night anime mostly get back their revenue from the DVD/BD sales, so that the closest thing we have to an indicator to the financial success of a show. The things you mentioned are returned from the revenues the DVD/BD make (unless you count related merchandise, which is also dependent on the show)
Of course, it doesn't necessarily mean that a show doing badly in sales is branded a failure. World Destruction didn't do all that well, but it didn't really matter since it was more or less an advertisement for the games, so in a way it accomplished its job. Gosick managed to sell twice as much as expected, but not enough to be considered a hit. Gundam 00 didn't do as well as Gundam Seed, but the 00 Gunpla is better selling than Seed's etc. So it's more of a case of what's the objective of the anime (e.g. generate interest in source material? Start a franchise? Advertisement for merchandise?) that's really the crucial factor (though of course the things you mentioned are all important, but it's not likely that an anime would be funded and advertised to the point where it can't realistically get back it's cost, hence why many use the 3-4k as a guide line to measure success) It does have value, but it needs to be used correctly.
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2011-06-30, 05:36 | Link #172 |
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I'm pretty sad about how Nichijou did. So Japan really thought it was disappointing. . IT DOESN'T DESERVE FRACTALE TREATMENT AT THE VERY LEAST!!
Ao no Exorcist has scary numbers. Noticing how the manga sales are also incredibly rising, there's no doubt the DVDs were gonna do well. Steins;Gate has about the same sales as Index. Heavily Otaku's I should say and rightly that it gets high sales because it is awesome. Tiger and Bunny is fujoshi bait. Azazel did really really well, I'm kinda glad it wasn't an "I'm the only one who watched this?" show.
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2011-06-30, 07:29 | Link #173 | |
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And the full top 50 BD list is out. Updating. As expected, Nichijou sold 2.5k BDs. Shana's blu-ray box set sales have me worried about its waning popularity. I mean, the OVA's sales dropped a lot between vol 1 and 4, but since vol 1 sold 10k I wasn't too concerned and just chopped it up to being that since it's an OVA series a lot of buyers wouldn't keep up with when new vols come out. The DVD box set numbers I just figured were because it was already released in that format so a lot of buyers didn't see any point in buying it, although the fact Index's box set sold so well was strange. The BD numbers are... concerning though. At the popularity Shana was at three years ago it should have sold around DtB's BD box set level. The novel sales have also dropped off a cliff...seems more and more like Shana is a dead series that doesn't have nostalgic appeal. Hopefully the TV series gets things going again...or it could end up selling around 5k per volume. And looks like previous Madoka vols get a boost every time a new vol comes out.
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2011-07-01, 11:07 | Link #175 | |
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So, if anything, this suggests that the Manabi Line might need to be adjusted 1,000 upwards.
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2011-07-01, 11:17 | Link #176 | |
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Aria vol 1 on sell with cheap one episode package, so its closer to 4000ish figure. The sales of the second volume usually drop a lot compared to the single-episode cheap volume like Hidan no Aria. e.g. Yumekui Merry DVD vol.01 1,102 Blu-ray vol.01 2,353 2,914 3,744 vol.02 1,658 vol.03 1,776 Edit : ah I mistook your post >_> Yeah, me too put Manabi Line around 5000ish number.
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2011-07-01, 11:24 | Link #177 | |
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Um... because Aria sold over 4,000 DVDs on Volume 1, yet that's apparently not good enough?
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If so, the 3,000-to-4,000 standard becomes much more variable, and less useful as a catch-all rule.
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Well bout Manabi Line's itself, the japanese that usually post the sales number said this. Quote:
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2011-07-01, 11:53 | Link #180 | |
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If it's 5,000, then yeah, cyth's link fits that perfectly.
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