2010-01-21, 08:40 | Link #5541 |
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Wow, I didn't expect an offhand "civil war" comment to turn into another gun debate. If you want to look at it that way, I think anybody would take to the streets if pushed hard enough. That said, even though I'm a registered Democrat, I know that a LOT of the military staff and soldiers are pretty right-wing. And, umm, all the missle silos are in red states...
But really, I just meant the "civil war" comment to highlight the viciousness on both sides of the culture war, the healthcare debate, and a whole lot of other shit. I personally wouldn't have much issue if some states wanted to leave the union, like Texas' Rick Perry vaguely threatened recently and like some Vermonters considered during the Bush years. It's about their citizens' happiness, and if they can't tolerate this nation's federal government anymore, that's their decision. (I guess you could say I think the South had the right to secede in 1861; they just did so for the wrong reason. And no offense Vexx; you're from Texas, right?) |
2010-01-21, 11:10 | Link #5542 | |
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2010-01-21, 11:27 | Link #5543 | ||
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What does the minority opinion say, however? It's a 5:4 decision in the end. This decision was not heavily favored certainly. I would imagine that this precedent would be useful to not just companies, but also to other types of entities like churches, unions, and etc., though? It's... stretchable. In such a case, U.S. elections will be... interesting to watch - preferably from a distance, IMHO. Right vs Left. Companies vs Unions. Popcorn sounds good for that for the viewing audience. Brown arrives on Capital Hill and meets with senators Quote:
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2010-01-21, 11:56 | Link #5544 |
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With the recent SC ruling on corporations and campaign finance, it's going to be awful television commercials as it gets closer and closer to election day.
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2010-01-21, 13:08 | Link #5546 |
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Yep, the last tenuous claim that United States politicians were not literally bought by various corporations (or their dummy firms) was just cut, and for something as pathetic as Citizens United's fake Hilary Clinton propaganda piece. All we can do now is hope that the current populous rage will extend to any and all politicians that run on serious money (or are supported via advertisements) by large corporations. But, considering just who the leaders of the current populist “revolt” are, I expect a very blind eye will turned to this travesty of justice (that might be a little too hyperbolic, but ti is close)…
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2010-01-21, 13:10 | Link #5547 | |
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2010-01-21, 14:53 | Link #5549 | |
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2010-01-21, 20:08 | Link #5553 |
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Not so shocking. It just pretty much confirms the legality of what corporations have been getting away with for years. At least now everyone knows that corprorations can run you and your government's collective asses to the ground and there's little of a damn thing you can do about it.
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2010-01-21, 20:18 | Link #5554 | |
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At and above the city level of politics, darn near everyone owes someone a favor or three... A corporation (big or small) is, by law, considered to be its own entity; Vexx is right. An entrepreneur can set up his own company in, say, Delaware with just himself as its only employee so long as everything else is in order. It may make sense from a tax or legal perspective, for example. If a company's product is faulty and is then sued, the "buck" stops at that level; the suit can't go against the company's people's assets unless they too are willfully at fault. For a mom-and-pop shop or a partnership, say, that can be different.
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2010-01-21, 20:34 | Link #5555 | |
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Voltaire and liberalism (in more than one sense of that subversive, evil word) just got their beautiful behinds shoved out the door, lol? Another victory for the Forces of Reaction (yes, I've been reading too many French books lately). |
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2010-01-21, 20:40 | Link #5556 | |
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I usually agree with the Supreme Court's four liberals, but they got it wrong on campaign finance. Corporations are run and owned by people so they should be able to spend their money how they please. Today's decision is a win for free speech and correct from a Constitutional point of view.
Even the practical ramifications of the decision are good. In America incumbent politicians have an easy time getting re-elected because it's easiest for them to raise money under the current system (although this year for the first time in a long time incumbents everywhere are in trouble). This caused the McCain-Feingold Act to be nicknamed the Incumbent Protection Act. From The Economist: Quote:
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2010-01-21, 21:10 | Link #5557 |
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The *people* within corporations have always been able to "spend their money as they wish".... *corporations* are not people. I also contest the "money=speech" equivalency.
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2010-01-21, 22:12 | Link #5560 |
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Corporations SHOULD be able to defend themselves politically - The government drums up support for taxes / regulations, they should be able to support whomever they wish. Corporations also have a built-in set of checks and balances - stockholders and consumers, both can vote with their feet in reaction
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