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View Poll Results: Who is the ultimate shinobi? | |||
The 1st | 24 | 5.99% | |
The 2nd | 3 | 0.75% | |
Sarutobi | 117 | 29.18% | |
The 4th | 119 | 29.68% | |
Jiraiya | 27 | 6.73% | |
Orochimaru | 10 | 2.49% | |
Tsunde | 4 | 1.00% | |
Itachi | 73 | 18.20% | |
Other...[Please State Who] | 24 | 5.99% | |
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2012-01-05, 14:50 | Link #501 | |
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2012-01-05, 18:28 | Link #503 |
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It saddens me how people keep forgetting how much of a monster Sarutobi (3rd Hokage) was in his prime, just because he hasn't appeared in a long time.
The guy is like Yamamoto from Bleach or White Beard from One Piece, old monsters unrivaled in the series but weakened due to old age (well Yamaji is dead so age doesn't affect him but still you get the point) I personally have no doubt that Sarutobi would be quite capable of beating any other candidates in his prime (with the exception of Rikudo Sennin but he's like...LEET HAX and shouldn't even be considered) and I do include guys like Madara, Tobi, Fourth, Itachi, Pain and so on. |
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2012-01-05, 19:47 | Link #505 | ||
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2012-01-05, 19:57 | Link #506 | |
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A weak version barely stood up to Orochimaru? Dude, Orochimaru was in perfect condition and summoned two other Hokage, each considered quite powerful and what about him? He was a 70 year old man who probably hadn't fought since Minato got the Hokage job, if not sooner. My grandpa is around that age, he takes long walks every day and yet feels tired just walking for a bit, imagine fighting 3 powerful guys. He didn't beat Orochimaru but still managed to take away his arms...after using Shadow clone twice, meaning his energy was even cut by 2/3 after a while of fighting. And don't underestimate Orochimaru...people have tended to underestimate Orochimaru because he was beaten by Sasuke...but don't forget he was bed-ridden by then and even then Sasuke didn't kill him, only Itachi's Susanoo managed to finally take him out. Orochimaru couldn't use his arms and was weakened yet he still held out against both Jiraya (though drugged) and Tsunade... What about the 1st and the 2nd Hokage, also in the fight? One managed to beat Madara and the other was considered the best water user ever. Also...Ninjas don't need bloodline limits to be powerful. The guy was a beast at old age, imagine in his prime... Shinigami are technically dead... |
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That Yamamoto bit...I laughed...first off, I highly doubt Hashirama was such a one trick pony that he would only use Mokuton. If that was it then eventually he would be countered...hell Madara should have taken care of it with Amaterasu easily...yet Madara still lost. You also have to remember that we've see so much more of Yamato than of Hashirama (which we've seen fight for only a few minutes) so of course we see Yamato do a lot more stuff...we've seen Hashirama in one fight, but we've seen Yamato in several. Not only that but there was the Second and Orochimaru as well...doubt Kishi had time for shining spotlights on everyone while all that other crap was going on as well... Finally, well I suppose if we count ET usage, then Kabuto is above most, if not all, however his own fighting ability can't even compare to most of the strongest fighters mentioned here. Again...the Third was a 70 year old man, fighting three monsters and still managed to take out 2 and cripple one. That is undeniable and shows he is head and shoulders above most fighters. In his prime, he would have been much, much stronger. |
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2012-01-05, 22:47 | Link #511 | |
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Edit: I checked, and disregard that; I was indeed mistaken. Nevertheless, that Orochimaru lost solely because of the Sharingan (it wasn't a full on fight) leads me to stand by my claim that their encounter shouldn't be used as a benchmark against opponents that don't have it. Last edited by Akashin; 2012-01-05 at 22:54. Reason: Edit |
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2012-01-05, 23:04 | Link #512 | |
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2012-01-05, 23:11 | Link #513 | |
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2012-01-05, 23:25 | Link #514 | |
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Again, I'm not trying to say Itachi isn't stronger than Orochimaru or anything silly like that. I'm saying that Orochimaru is clearly stronger than the instances you're citing would indicate. |
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2012-01-06, 00:14 | Link #516 |
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the instances I'm citing state that itachi is stronger, which you agree with...
orochimaru is a strong ninjutsu user, but weak against powerful genjutsu. anyone with powerful genjutsu is stronger than him. Madara/itachi/current sasuke and that's just genjutsu. people as powerful as hashirama, nagato, minato and A are better at ninjutsu and/or are much faster/stronger and should be placed above him as well. |
2012-01-06, 00:32 | Link #517 | |
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That said, yeah, Orochimaru is probably below everybody you named there. I was never arguing otherwise. |
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What? That makes no sense. Like I said, the fight was short, you can't say a guy can be another just from seeing him in one fight against one completely different opponent. It was stated in the manga that he beat Madara anyway so what's you point? Let me see if I can explain it in a way you'll understand. I highly doubt that all Hashirama knew how to do in a battle was use Mokuton jutsu. Surely a ninja of his caliber would be strong at using other types of jutsu. If that wasn't the case, eventually other ninjas would find ways to counter his Mokuton...like for example Madara. If Hashirama only use Mokuton then all Madara needed to do was use Amaterasu to burn the wood and Hashirama wouldn't have been able to beat him. Yet Hashirama did beat him, thus he obviously could use more than wood jutsu. Quote:
And what I meant in that quote you did was that we only saw Hashirama fight once, however we've seen Yamato fight multiple times, so of course we've seen Yamato use more wood jutsu than Hashirama. Not only that but during that fight there were multiple fights going on as well, some including main characters, meaning screen time was limited. Quote:
Again, ET should not be considered in a "Who is the strongest" discussion because not only does it require one hell of a preparation, it does not show one's individual fighting ability. If you consider ET then you'd have to say the whole war was fought between Zetsu clones and Kabuto and not include the ET guys... Quote:
Truthfully, the only real problem I see Sarutobi having would be against God realm Pain and hell...if Naruto was able to eventually take advantage of his weakness I highly doubt someone like Sarutobi wouldn't have not only figured it out quicker, but also make a plan to counter it. I can see that you are dead set on not agreeing with my opinion so let's agree to disagree shall we? It's my opinion and like yours, it won't change and further discussion is pointless. Not to mention that there's still the whole Rock-Paper-Scissor concept people seem to forget... Really...I only said that it saddened me that people seemed to forget about Sarutobi and his accomplishments just because newer, shinier and flashier characters have shown up in Shippuden. |
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2012-01-06, 13:54 | Link #519 |
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i think a battle between itachi and jiraiya could go either way. they are both masters in ninjutsu and they are both very good in taijutsu. obviously itachi has a major plus in genjutsu, but jiraiya has good genjutsu defense in most cases, and and he has a major advanage in stamia/charka. it really doesnt have to be a one or the other debate. either one of them in battle could defeat the other, depending on the situation and how much of there jutsu the other knows about.
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2012-01-06, 15:36 | Link #520 | |
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Speaking of Hashirama, I think I realized a new facet of his strength. Not only does he have Mokuton, he has the elements that make it up. So, like Yamato, we can assume he used (and most liekly mastered) Doton and Suiton. Also, seeing as who his brother was, we can surmise he was quite formidable with Suiton at the very least. I think I also recall the 3rd saying that Hashirama knew all the jutsu in that kinjutsu scroll Naruto stole way back when - that'd surely boost his abilities. Additionally, he seemed to be a powerful genjutsu user since he used Bringer of Darkness on Hiruzen.
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