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Old 2019-02-02, 10:10   Link #21
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According to Gigguk, 2018 was a year with a lot of good anime (more then previous years), and everyone can definitely find at least one or two shows in it to enjoy. A year of the industry (netflix in particular) flexing their muscle to just crank out shows for the masses. But it was also a year of nothing being special, no rockstars that people will still remember in 3 years time (like we still remember Code Geass, Fate, Death Note, Madoka, etc). A year for the mainstream.

Which is in line with what I said in the nominations thread. Incidentally, Gigguk is the only anime Youtuber I follow. He certainly memes/over the tops more than I ever would, but he knows when to be serious as well.
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Old 2019-02-02, 12:10   Link #22
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Main reason against individual performance would be that it splits the votes, so the VA liked by the majority might just end up fragmented across roles, and it would also be quite silly if we end up with something like multiple spots taken up by the same VA. Overall I think it's pretty fair as-is (I also don't want to get into females playing male roles and other problem areas).

Hm, those are issues I haven't considered. I'm not overly worried about vote-splitting, since we'd be rewarding the perfomance rather than the voice actors themselves. I don't like the idea of multilple instances of the same voice actor ending up in the voting thread, but I'm not sure it'd be a deal breaker for me.


The biggest problem for me personally during the nomination phase was that if I were voting for voice actor's overall performance I'd only focus on a handful of favourites. I'm not a hardcore VA fan, and I rarely even know who voices who, so I'd be hard pressed to say who was particularly active this year. As a result, during the nomination phase, I was nominating with notable performances in mind anyway, but I did it half-heartedly, because I thought by doing so I was ruining the category, and when actually looking at a list of VA during the voting phase, I'd vote for completely different reasons anyway: I like versatility, so I'd value the range of different roles pretty highly (which is why Kaeda Hondo got my first vote, even though she didn't really have any single performance I thought was particularly notable).


If I'd have not felt guilty and inadequate during the nomination phase, for only taking one outstanding performance into account, I might have remembered to vote for Umehara Yuichiro, who voiced Goblin Slayer. I think this guy's performance was very important to the show (I'd go so far as to say that his performance knocked up the show a level). But since I didn't really remember him as a VA (never payed any attention to him), and since I didn't like GS much as a show, I didn't nominate him, even though I think he definitely delivered one of the best performances this year.


Now, with me being as scatterbrained as I am, there's no guarantee I'd have remembered either way, so there's that, too. But for people like me, who don't follow voice actors, clinging to a stand-out role is definitely easier.


This isn't to argue for an actual change. I'd have an easier time during the nomination phase; that's all. On the other hand of the scale, I really enjoyed the voting phase, because going through the nominees and looking at what they played was a pretty new experience for me. I mean, I know powerhouses like Hanazawa or Sawashiro, of course. And I have lesser known favourites, too (why won't anyone give Koiwai Kotori more and better roles?), but generally I'm VA dummy, and so choosing a winner among nominees is a really fun experience.


In the end, I'm undecided and I'm definitely fine with keeping things as they are.


****


I don't think 2018 was a particularly great year, but neither do I think it was a particularly bad year. It was bookended by two great seasons, but had a rather meagre middle.



I found summer to be especially weak, with nearly all promising shows disappointing in one way or another (Chio-chan's Schoolroad fluctuated wildly from brilliantly hilarious to cringeworthy and dull; Satsuiku no Tenshi could have been good trashy fun, but ended up baffling and repetitive... and so on), leaving only Planet With and Highscore Girl, the latter not receiving nearly enough attention due to Netflix detention. I did like some shows, but after the two above shows my favourites include Jashin-chan Dropkick and Harukana Receive, neither of which would have been near the top in a good season (though I liked them well enough).


Spring fared a little better with me, with Hinamatsuri, Hisone to Masotan heading the season, and some underappreciated gems, like Last Period, and Rokuhoudo Yotsuiro Biyori, and good entertaintainment like Megalobox or Umamusume rounding out the season.


I found Fall to be a pretty good season, with Bloom Into You and Zombieland Saga being great and other shows, and lots of fun stuff to watch. Some of the powerhoused, IMO, aren't eligible because they're ongoing (Slime and Run with the Wind, and to a lesser extent Karakuri Cricus). Few people watched Merc Storia, but I felt it was pretty good, too. I also liked a lot of the fluff better than I thought I would: Anima Yell!, Tonari no Kyuketski-san and As Miss Beelzebub Likes it won't win nominations from me, but they're far from bad.


The powerhouse season was definitely Winter, though. If it weren't for a few select exceptions, I could make a top 10 of the year with only Winter. Hakumei to Mikochi, Universe and March Lion were outstanding shows. How to Keep a Mummy wasn't much worse. And then there were a lot of fun shows like Mitsuboshi Colours, Yuru Camp, Gakkuen Babysitters, Takagi san and others. Even Killing Bites, which I thought I would hate, ended up good trashy entertainment.


I think nothing illustrates how wildly uneven the year was better than the following anecdote:


Kakuriyo Yadomeshi was a very enjoyable supernatural romance for me; I liked the characters, it had good slice-of-life vibes with memorable one-shot characters and a great supporting cast. I enjoyed it a lot, and it ran during the winter and spring seasons. Normally, it would be lower-top-10 material, but in Winter it didn't make it. However, in spring it cracked the top 5. The show didn't really get better in the second half; the difference is all in the shows that ran at the same time. The year was generally like that. Very, very uneven. (To a lesser extent, the same goes for Toji no Miko.)



I do think the year had no clear trend, and no sort of direction. It's as if the moe boom has passed and people have been looking backwards towards older franchises to see what worked in the past for furure inspiration, a trend that didn't start in 2018, but seemed to explode. I mean look at spring:


Gegege no Kitaro
Captain Tsubasa
Basilisk
Card Captor Sakura
Full Metal Panik
Highschool DxD
Major
Ahita no Joe (Megalobox)
Steins;Gate
Fist of the North Star


And that's not including recent shows (Shokugeki no Soma, Yowamushi Pedal) or shows that never really go away (Gundam, Lupin, Inazuma Eleven, Precure), or Piano no Mori (which had a movie a while ago). And that's only spring.



I think this was a year in search of an identity. There was something for anyone, but not a lot for any specific taste, and as a result it feels like a bad year for a lot of people.


There were also a lot of disappointments:


Shows that should have been great were merely decent:


Angolmois (which had great ideas, but made a baffling filter decision, killed people off without making them matter before, set-up things that went nowhere, and so on. Worth a watch if you're in the mood, or want a show like that, but not really a worth recommendation otherwise)



Hanebado (which had great animation and good ideas and characters, but somhow crunched it all into a season in a way that it ran together so nothing really stood out). These are shows worth watching, but they all come with a sense of missed opportunity (a lot of people said so, I'm not only going from my own impressions).


Shows that were always going to bad but could have been good, trashy fun:


Sora to Umi no Aida: Cute girls go fishing in space. This is such a stupid concept with such a specific target audience that you can't possibly mess this up, can you? ... Oh, you can. All you have to do is make it both annoying (adding a baffling layer of sexist fishermen to a genre that traditionally gets by entirely without men - see Girls und Panzer) and dull.


Conception: This should be ecchi paradise, no? Right? This should be Monster Musume level of obviously targeted. Instead you waver between being full-on committed to the show's sleaze and making half-hearted apologies. And then you create anime's most annoying mascot and give it more screen time than any of the girls (maybe it only felt that way?).



For what a show that did it right:


How not to Summon a Demon Lord: I cringed throughout the show and I can only think of one single scene I liked unconditionally: the buscuit song. But, boy, does the show know it's audience. It's trash. It knows it's trash, and thus its fun, if you happen to like that sort of show. If you don't like the show, it's fun to make fun of. In short, it's a winner. (I mean, I finished it.)



Sadly, there were more of the former. (Notice that my bad examples all come from last season? I try to forget them as soon as possible. From the depth of my mind rises an ominous name, Hakyuu Hoshin Engi, but I shall change the topic, before...)


Finally, I'm thinking that Cygames is a force of good: they produce good, entertaining shows this year with Umamusume and Zombieland Saga. They seem to be committed to good fun shows. (They were apparently also on the production committee for Ramen Daisuki Koisumi san, which was a middling show, but definitely know what it wanted: Ramen.)


So, no, I don't think this was a bad year at all, though Summer was an abysmal season, and spring wasn't that hot either. But winter and fall were both very good.
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Old 2019-02-02, 12:27   Link #23
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Just want to say thank you Haak and felix for putting in all the hard work, really appreciate it.
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Old 2019-02-02, 12:52   Link #24
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Now, with me being as scatterbrained as I am, there's no guarantee I'd have remembered either way, so there's that, too. But for people like me, who don't follow voice actors, clinging to a stand-out role is definitely easier.


This isn't to argue for an actual change. I'd have an easier time during the nomination phase; that's all. On the other hand of the scale, I really enjoyed the voting phase, because going through the nominees and looking at what they played was a pretty new experience for me. I mean, I know powerhouses like Hanazawa or Sawashiro, of course. And I have lesser known favourites, too (why won't anyone give Koiwai Kotori more and better roles?), but generally I'm VA dummy, and so choosing a winner among nominees is a really fun experience.


In the end, I'm undecided and I'm definitely fine with keeping things as they are.
We initially intended to help you guys with this. ^^;;;

Initially we would give you things like this:
TL;DR…
VA roles (only counting elligible shows this year)
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For one it's (like you can see) overwhelming. Don't think anyone has that much knowledge in their head, even big VA fans. Also, like with Producer-san changes mentioned earlier, we decided it's better not to do it once we tried it out. Even with knowledge of who did a lot it's very hard and we also definitely wanted to avoid people doing a very mechanical vote rather then voting something they really loved. In the end I think it's much better for people to nominate based on outstanding performance then in voting phase we can have the detailed deliberation (with images and info making it easier).

I'm glad you liked it.


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Tonari no Kyuketski-san and As Miss Beelzebub Likes it won't win nominations from me, but they're far from bad.
Honorable mention from me as well for Tonari no Kyuketski-san, it's a very relaxing fun watch.

It does feel like shows like this are a bit too unfavored in the current format, even though they're very very common for years, so clearly popular. We may try some X category next year to see if we can find a place for them. These types of shows only really fit in slice of life in the current format, and this is a bit unfair when they're competing with shows that focus on their drama in that category.
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Old 2019-02-02, 13:31   Link #25
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Initially we would give you things like this:

Dear god, I shudder at the amount of work that goes into lists like this.There's no way I'd have this much dedication to produce results in a reasonable timeframe. I'm in awe.



Your reasoning is sound, too. I definitely think getting people to nominate what they love is best.



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It does feel like shows like this are a bit too unfavored in the current format, even though they're very very common for years, so clearly popular. We may try some X category next year to see if we can find a place for them. These types of shows only really fit in slice of life in the current format, and this is a bit unfair when they're competing with shows that focus on their drama in that category.

Best fluff?


It's surprisingly hard to come up with a good category for shows like this, yet they contribute a lot to how good I feel a year is.
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Old 2019-02-02, 14:51   Link #26
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This was my first year voting in the awards. (Despite my long-time member status.) I really appreciated the effort y'all put into coding up a form that made it easy to vote and prepare the code to post after voting. Thank you very much. I look forward to voting again.
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Old 2019-02-02, 15:07   Link #27
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I'm very happy with the results. Only thing that's a bummer for me is that Bloom into you didn't win anything.
Yup, same here. I hoped it could win at least one nomination but looks like people here are not fans of yuri.
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Old 2019-02-02, 16:13   Link #28
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I'm happy with these results, though I was hoping Bunny Girl Senpai would win something. It just wasn't meant to be.

Thanks for all the hard work you guys put into organizing this.
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Old 2019-02-03, 01:03   Link #29
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For the record, the X section was a welcome addition. Made things far more interesting.

And regardless of how one feels about certain individual titles, these were better than ANNs by a long way and I dread to think of the utter populism that will dictate the Crunchyroll awards.

@Nacht: I think you'll find Bloom Into You came close in several categories. I think ultimately in comes down to something I said a while ago in the series thread. Bloom Into You is strong across the board but isn't the best in any particular aspect. I think these votes reflect it. Across several communities I've seen Bloom Into You get very positive receptions and getting far more support than most other yuri titles. But Bloom Into You is somewhat slow/tame despite certain underlying plot lines. And titles like that tend to only draw in a certain proportion of people.
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Old 2019-02-03, 02:05   Link #30
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Bummed about Zombieland Saga getting peanuts, other than Hondou Kaede being remembered as a fantastic rapper I guess.
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Old 2019-02-03, 03:07   Link #31
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Hondou Kaede really had a good year. She was fantastic in Hinamatsuri.
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Best fluff?

It's surprisingly hard to come up with a good category for shows like this, yet they contribute a lot to how good I feel a year is.
Best Carefree Series; let me know if there's any issues with the name.

eg. Tonari no Kyuketski-san, Yuru Camp, Beelzebub, Death March, Amanchu! Advance, Maso-tan etc
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Best Carefree Series; let me know if there's any issues with the name.

That's a possibility. I see no immediate issues with the name. At any rate, I have nothing better. Maybe chose an adjective that's more obviously about audience reaction? "Relaxing" or something like that?
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That's a possibility. I see no immediate issues with the name. At any rate, I have nothing better. Maybe chose an adjective that's more obviously about audience reaction? "Relaxing" or something like that?
Best Healing Show? Maybe not
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Welp I remember this contest way too late to vote and nom, but im happy you guys are still running it.
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Old 2019-02-04, 17:59   Link #36
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Here's a current updated category list for the 2019 Awards. Any feedback would be appreciated


(Green renamed, blue new; some moved)

-{A1}- [Best Storyline]
-{A2}- [Best Visuals]
-{A3}- [Best Action]
-{A4}- [Best Use of Sound]
-{A5}- [Best World Setting]

-{B1}- [Best Fantasy & Supernatural]
-{B2}- [Best Science Fiction]
-{B3}- [Best Sports Series]

-{C1}- [Best Romance]
-{C2}- [Best Comedy]
-{C3}- [Best Drama]
-{C4}- [Best Slice of Life]
-{C5}- [Best Relaxing & Carefree]

-{D1}- [Best TV Series]
-{D2}- [Best OVA]
-{D3}- [Best Movie]

-{E1}- [Best Female Lead]
-{E2}- [Best Male Lead]
-{E3}- [Best Antagonist]
-{E4}- [Best Side-Character]
-{E5}- [Best Voice Actor]

-{X1}- [Best Ongoing Series]
-{X2}- [Best Credits Theme]
-{X3}- [Best Adventure Series]
-{X4}- [Best Character Design]
-{X5}- [Best Surprise]


Rationale.
  • Adventure has been split off from Action due to the rather odd development of a newly emerging "Slice of Life Adventures" trend forming and it nonsensically competing in the same category as pure Action shows (which was the original intent of that category).
  • "Best Soundtrack" renamed to "Best Use of Sound" to appreciate the more holistic approach sound is used in anime (not just the tracks themselves but how well they're directed in scenes and whatnot).
  • A "Best Relaxing & Carefree" category has been added for all the filthy casual moe-shit to compete in. XP
  • "Best Voice Actor" category has been "promoted" to a clearer position in the Awards moving forward.
  • Two new X categories to test out.

Modification of additional rules.
  • Genre limit of 2 rules applies to C: can only nominate any series in no more then 2 categories.
  • Top 5 (after tie breaking any ties) nominees go though for all categories except for E.
  • In E top 6 ranks go though (max 9 in case of too many ties) go though.
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Old 2019-02-04, 18:17   Link #37
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Best Healing Show? Maybe not

I actually considered this. The problem with this is that, once again, it's sort of a genre, where the "good shows" are going to win. It's the Natsume test. Once Natsume's Book of Friends season 7 comes out, it will win this award.


The category we're looking for is something a little different. There are a lot of shows that aren't best at anything, but they're presence is importan to the texture of the anime watching experience.



I sort of think this has a lot to do with what awards are. Awards tend to go to shows that are exceptional in one way or another; but completely unexceptional shows give a comforting sense of security. It's not either/or, it's both/and.


I remember, back when I came on there was a genre category "moe/ecchi", IIRC. Back then, I didn't much like the category. It felt like we threw together elements that were in competition with each other, but with respect to the current discussion, I find myself remembering the category, and wondering if it was addressing part of this? Sort of shows that appeal to instincts we're not necessarily proud of, but which we none-the-less have. An anti-award award?



I guess the biggest problem naming the category is that I'm not exactly celar on concept in the first place. Best comfort watch? Something completely unchallenging, basically.
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Old 2019-02-04, 18:26   Link #38
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-{A4}- [Best Use of Sound]
Interesting re-naming. I tended to vote for "best soundtrack" as "best musical score, and how it's implemented in the show." But with the renaming I'm also thinking of ambient sounds (crowd mumbles, traffic, cicadas...) Interesting.



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-{C5}- [Best Relaxing & Carefree]
See above post of mine. I like the general idea, but I'm... probably overthinking it.



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-{X5}- [Best Surprise]
What are we nominating here? Shows? Scenes? Characters? Anything?
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What are we nominating here? Shows? Scenes? Characters? Anything?
Shows.
What show did you find was way better then you thought it had any right to be.
Or, what show gave you the biggest unexpected surprise.
Both Surprise and Character Design may or may not happen depending on if we change our minds or convinced otherwise. Like with this year we're okey with X categories being wonky and potentially problematic; it spices things up. We're also pretty lazy when we get back into it with regard to planing (this year being a big exception) so whatever's decided at this time generally sticks.
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There should be a guilty pleasure category, tbh.
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