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Perfect 10 | 11 | 22.00% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 12 | 24.00% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 19 | 38.00% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 3 | 6.00% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 3 | 6.00% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 2.00% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 2.00% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-08-01, 14:46 | Link #141 | |
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y do people have to conect anime to the real world
te is set about 11 years befor now but the events that lead up to it took place between the 60 and 90 (cant remember exaclty when )so i can see racism as an issieu and im not complaining about it Quote:
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2012-08-01, 14:49 | Link #142 |
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Some things, Destined_Fate, are wrong no matter what.
I am of chinese ancestry. We used to bind the feet of little girls because we believed that small feet were beautiful. You know what happens when you tightly bind little girl's feet? By the time she's ten, she's practically crippled, with deformed feet. She doesn't walk, she shuffles slowly, in constant pain. But my soceity said it was okay, so there is nothing wrong in crippling the feet of little girls, for the rest of their lives. Arab culture is tribal based. Men of the tribe can steal, rape, murder - so long as it is for the tribe's interests, everything is permitted, nothing is forbidden. But if a girl of the tribe is raped by her own family, she is cast put and killed for bringing dishonor to the tribe, when she was just a victim. But that's what their soceity says, so I guess it's okay. I'm also of Indian heritage. Indians prefer boys to girls. Girls are considered useless. In the villages, baby girls will be killed because they are not as precious as boys. But that's what their soceity says, so you're excusing this bad behaviour. I'm going to quote someone who sums up my thoughts on this: "Doesn't matter what the press says. Doesn't matter what the politicians or the mobs say. Doesn't matter if the whole country decides that something wrong is something right. This nation was founded on one principle above all else: the requirement that we stand up for what we believe, no matter the odds or the consequences. When the mob and the press and the whole world tell you to move, your job is to plant yourself like a tree beside the river of truth, and tell the whole world -- No, you move." Some things are objectively wrong. We should recognise bad behaviour that is being practised by the characters.
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2012-08-01, 15:07 | Link #143 | |
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Society does not determine if racism exists. It only can determine whether racism is seen as a bad thing by that society. This does not change whether the society is real or fictional. Picking an example out of the air, in Dragon Age there are racist attitudes in human society against elves. In real life, during WWII there was nationalism against Germans and Japanese (combined with racism against the Japanese). Society at that time said it was fine to act that way. Now, society says that we were wrong back then to have those attitudes. Note also that it's completely possible that in TE, perhaps the people of that world (if they haven't been nommed up by BETA by then) will look back at 2001 and say "Man, we were a bunch of racist dicks back then, weren't we?" Heck, the character development we're seeing with Yuuya right here and now in this episode is to begin to work past his anti-Japanese prejudice (at least as far as to begin to value Japanese TSFs). Those are value judgments--right and wrong, good and evil--and they fluctuate over time. But you cannot say that society can determine that bigotry and prejudice don't exist just because the society as a whole happens to approve of them. Edit: With specific reference to Goose's ninja post, it's further only to be expected that we as individuals watching the show will decide that certain elements of the things depicted there are good or bad depending on what we believe as people. If the ethics depicted by the show are out of whack with what we think, we're justified in saying so and explaining why.
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2012-08-01, 17:23 | Link #145 |
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And again you're wrong for trying to force you RL views in a setting that is vastly different. To them it isn't racism it's just business as usual.
No you're wrong. Society decides it(Which is why things that were okay in the past are no longer deemed okay today because Society evolved over time and decided that those things are wrong. While back than they were acceptable). We can say that the Romans were racist but back than they never even saw it as such nor did society or their defeated enemies. It's just how they did things. So no, it isn't racism because society in TE doesn't see it as racism nor do they care all that much about it. Thus Yui saw nothing wrong with berating Yuuya because as far as she's concerned he is kin. Let's take an example than. Let's say in the future it's considered a grave sin to have a family because of overpopulation issues yet in right now it isn't an issue and no one even thinks about something like that. Sure it's a sin in the future to have a family but at this time period it isn't since society has no issues with families. And they already showed you why things are out of wake. Important events that helped shape our world happen MUCH differently in TE than there's the BETA threat as well. That's why things are different and why it's foolish to expect things to be like RL anyway despite this very major changes. |
2012-08-01, 18:03 | Link #146 | ||
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As a mod, I just want to ask everyone to take it easy on this morality/ethics debate, because it could easily get even more heated and spin out of control. This is the sort of stuff real life wars are fought over. I think the discussion is interesting, but it's probably better to give it a rest. The views expressed are pretty clear, so you may all just need to agree to disagree for now.
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2012-08-01, 18:09 | Link #147 | |
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So I am all for Relentless's suggestion on agreeing to disagree. And quite frankly, I find nothing wrong with that. Its good that people can form their own opinions and make well thought out reasons why they want to defend it.
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2012-08-01, 18:29 | Link #148 | |
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Racist is a very strong term, and while I do see a lot of nationalism in this show, I'm not sure I'd go so far to call either of the major characters a racist. Also, saying that Yuuya is racist against the Japanese seems a bit odd to me, as he's half-Japanese (racially) himself. In any event, Dezo, I think you're throwing around a very loaded term a bit haphazardly on this thread.
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2012-08-01, 21:24 | Link #149 | |
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[mod edit: Removed flamebait that revives old debate]
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That said, Yuuya is being racist - while he's half-Japanese, he hates his Japanese half, and his reaction towards Yui is similar to the reactions of those who were racist towards him. It is possible for someone who is mixed-race to be racist towards the part of them that they hate. I have some first hand experience of that.
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2012-08-02, 03:08 | Link #150 |
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Thank goodness the next Episode is a beach fan-service one, literally. It should be hard to disagree about scantly clad bodies, right?
Lets draw the line at comparing racial body types though. That way the dark side leads to.
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2012-08-02, 08:36 | Link #154 |
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@Destined_Fate she might try saying at the begining of the ep she was screwwing with yuuya the whole time or something
or maby her job of being a bitch is over and where do u get those
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2012-08-02, 10:20 | Link #159 |
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Going by the last two episodes
Ep04: Flies the Type-97, crashes in the woods. Tells Yui its a piece of Japanese Crap. Ep05: Flies the Type-94, crashes in the city. Tells Yui its still a piece of Japanese Crap. Ep06: Rides a Surfing Board, crashes in the waves. Tells Yui its a piece of Japanese Crap.
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2012-08-02, 10:24 | Link #160 | |
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hoping rides a surfing board crashes due to getting nailed in the face by volyball does anybody know who the other russian pilot was in the last ep
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