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About Olympic Games and World Cup, it is about corruption see World Cup 2006 in germany and how they won the bet. About HK, it is just a joke, the 50 years no change agreement, that is. If you don't have a chinese nationality, like british overseas, you do get discriminated by the system. Doesn't matter technically tibet is a part of today's china, from PRC's and ROC's point of view. |
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2008-03-22, 13:29 | Link #42 | |
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I seriously don't see the point of keeping Tibet though, besides keeping China looking like a chicken on the world map, lol It's only a religion in Western eyes, just like Confucianism. It's a system of philosophy with strong cultural influence, nothing more.
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2008-03-22, 13:46 | Link #43 | |
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Would you also support the Independence of Scotland and Wales if they declare independence? How about Basque on the border of France and Spain? Do you support thier independence? And how about Northern Ireland?
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Besides the resource and military reasons I mentioned above,
Hu Jintao, the Paramount Leader of the PRC, has built his career on the basis of the results of strong measures against Tibet (1989-1990). It is critical for him to accept liberal attitude in Tibetan affairs. In addition, the warlike factions in the People's Liberation Army have grown these days so that its control requires much sensitivity. He cannot show "weak" thought. |
2008-03-22, 14:06 | Link #48 |
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Sides are you trying to Validate China illegally occupation of Tibet with random examples . I will answer this question with another What about Aboriginals in Australia ? ...And giving North America is a horrible example as down south you had cleansing taking place at the hands of Conquistadors . Native Americans atleast have some of there culture and language intact . You do realize whole of South America speaks Spanish and Portuguese
I also hope one athlete has the guts to drape himself with a Tibetan flag during the Victory Lap or even Podium that would be so humiliating to commies
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funny you should mention the US and the Native Americans. http://www.republicoflakotah.com/ Lakotah Unilateral Withdrawal from All Agreements and Treaties with the United States of America We as the freedom loving Lakotah People are the predecessor sovereign of Dakota Territory as evidenced by the Treaties with the United States Government, including, but not limited to, the Treaty of 1851 and the Treaty of 1868 at Fort Laramie. Lakotah, formally and unilaterally withdraws from all agreements and treaties imposed by the United States Government on the Lakotah People. So how many people here supports the Lakotah for Independence?
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2008-03-22, 14:16 | Link #50 | |
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And calling the tribes native american is a kind of degraddation isn't it? |
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2008-03-22, 14:16 | Link #51 | |
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2008-03-22, 14:19 | Link #52 |
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As Lakota People dont have independence so its a no no for Tibetans to gain Independence . Its A Okay for Tibetinas to be subjugated oppressed and ruled by a foreign power .
US was built on Blood Sweat and Tears of Blacks .Economy was further paved with oppression of native Americans . No amount of apologizing will ever make up for it . China's pride in general was at an all time low in 19 century it was exploited by western powers . So China was at the receiving end once now its doing exactly the same . Why do you think the Boxer Revolution hold such high importance in terms of pride and patriotism for Chinese people . Supporting Tibetan occupation turns Boxer revolution into a Joke as Tibetans too are fighting for there national Pride and IDENTITY
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There was only one Western reporter or journalist in Lhasa shortly after the protests began. It was somewhat of a coincidence, as China doesn't like Western reporters seeing their brutality first-hand. The reporter was from The Economist and had to leave the region on the 19th when his week-long reporting permit expired.
http://www.economist.com/world/asia/...ry_id=10875823 And here's some commentary on the Dalai Lama's position: http://www.economist.com/opinion/dis...ry_id=10880709 Nancy Pelosi (Speaker of the House of Representatives; Democrat) went to India to meat with the Dalai Lama. Most likely nothing will come of that though. |
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Umm, there's something I'm not quite following here... Because other nations maintain control of a once-independent people China's rule over Tibet is justified? It's a pretty obvious "tu quoque" argument, and it calls forth issues that aren't to be discussed in this thread.
If the people of Tibet, knowing their history (a period of 40 years of independence in the early 20th century) wish to become an independent country, they've all the right in the world to do so. China's military actions against them are more than condemnable. I don't know about boycotting the Olympic Games... I think it's more important to realize that they aren't the rainbow-colored fantasy advertisers are trying to sell us, no matter where they're held.
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Really though...with protests like this what do you expect to come from it? There is no way to respond to "riots" with words. Sometimes violence is unavoidable. And how about looking at it from both sides, where are the pictures of a beaten up policeman? I refuse to believe that casulties wern't suffered on both sides.
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people are exaggerating the whole thing with the casualties, doesn't matter which country, what would anti-riot police do when violent riots charge into them? They won't just stand there and take it in the balls. according to the BBC site someone linked earlier, "what sparked the riot?" "Many Tibetans are angry at the increasing numbers of Han Chinese migrants arriving in the region, accusing them of taking the best jobs. Tibetans feel they have been left behind by the economic boom which coastal provinces have enjoyed, yet they are suffering from China's accelerating inflation. " so one section shows tibetans feels upset they are left out from the economic boom which coastal province have enjoyed and then when China opens up railroad to bring in tourism into tibet, now tibetans complain about others taking their job?tThat's such a bull reason to start a riot... |
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2008-03-22, 16:35 | Link #58 | |
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Native Americans were forced out entirely onto reservations. The various tribes have treaties with the government that give them some level of sovereignty. The lands they hold now are not exactly part of the US (it's kinda like Puerto Rico or Guam in a sense). Different races and cultures have had their periods of crap in the US, and sometimes it got bloody. But claiming it was minority or slavery driven isn't telling the whole picture. It's like someone claiming the Civil War was about slavery....it was certainly part of the issue, but not the main reason the country split and fought. I have no clue how this can be correlated to the current situation with Tibet and PRC. But I'm also not going to try drawing comparisons when my understanding of history in that region is limited at best.
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The BBC is probably much more reliable than Yomiuri:
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