2013-01-19, 00:46 | Link #81 |
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im focusing more on the fact its happening. actually he always takes the biggest beating. its probably going to take its toll on him eventually. i mean, he's already lost a chunk of life from magellan/ivankov poison issues. and now that they're in the new world it will only be more punishment. like others, im starting to see how he could actually die from the abuse
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2013-01-19, 07:54 | Link #82 | |
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2013-01-19, 09:11 | Link #83 | |
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Do you really think Oda would end him like this? There's probably a 1% chance of that happening. So I doubt it's the end of both of them and I'm not even 100% convinced that Monet died, and she got stabbed through the heart. Oda hardly ever kills characters, not even those that don't matter anymore. |
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2013-01-19, 13:23 | Link #84 | |
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The Trio are a 9. Just below the Yonkou and Admirals.
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2013-01-19, 16:07 | Link #86 |
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It's always a problematic issue when we start arguing about straw hats being stronger/weaker than Emperors/Admirals/Shichibukai.
There is no base line for power in One Piece,most of the time it comes down to a few things in a fight : Experience DF/Power And at this point Haki. Should i add Will ?Because in most Luffy's fights that's what got him the wins. Right now the straw-hats don't know anything the Admirals/Emperors don't know,except for their DF abilities/Fighting Style. So it's really hard to judge whether the straw-hats are stronger or weaker than any other character in one piece,because even though their Haki might be less powerful than that of an Emperor,I'm sure they developed techniques to help them increase the effectiveness of an attack/technique to make it more powerful. Take Luffy for example who combines Gear 2nd with Haki to create the Red Hawk,I'm sure an attack like that wouldn't be easily taken even by the most powerful Haki user.We might even see him going to the extreme in desperate times and combine it with Gear 3rd which would probably crack the best defense in existence. Also I'm sure we haven't seen ANYTHING from the trio yet,I'm sure they have more than just overused old techniques which can now be performed with ease. |
2013-01-22, 06:47 | Link #89 |
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Maybe it's cause they expected a bigger power level jump than (from here on it's my estimate of luffy's level on the chart) Low-mid VA to mid-high VA. Since Rayleigh did train him and he did end up as "king of the island."
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2013-01-22, 08:19 | Link #90 | |
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I personally think that Luffy is just below admiral/yonkou level. I really don't see him increasing his strength any more then what is natural (more strength/speed and better Haki). So no new gears no new mysterious powers just "natural" progression. So no 1 on 1 with an admiral/yonkou he's toast but at least now he should be able to escape if needed. |
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2013-01-22, 15:25 | Link #93 |
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Of course it does. Ivankov's hormone injections kept him going beyond his limits, so him being on death's door is a moot point. Luffy was outclassed in the war and he knew that going in. Alongside the admirals and shichibukai, Ivankov also specifically mentioned the VAs as powerful adversaries to warn Luffy of the impending danger to come. Circumstances aside, Luffy got owned.
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2013-01-22, 16:59 | Link #94 | |
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So no I can't see this as proof of current Luffy being on mid/high VA level, I think he surpassed them ever since the time skip. Btw I'm not saying any of the VA's are weak. They might proof just as much a challenge as Lucci, or more so. But no I don't believe any 1 of them can or could ever steamroll Luffy. It could be though that the VA's are a lot tougher then I give them credit for but I just haven't seen the proof yet. And no Vergo and Smoker don't really count. Smoker never wanted a promotion before meeting Luffy and Vergo is the right hand man of 1 of the most powerful shichibukai, both are also introduced post time skip as VA's. |
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2013-01-22, 17:23 | Link #95 | |
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And I'm not talking about post-skip here. I was commenting on your assessment of Luffy's strength pre-skip. None of his feats at that time demonstrate he could deal with the VAs. He didn't even know how to manifest his haki back then, an ability which all of the VAs are adept at. All of the evidence presented by Oda regarding the VAs is indicative of them being superior to Luffy pre-skip. Vergo and Smoker most certainly count. A VA is a VA. The only real outlier amongst the VAs is/was Garp.
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2013-01-23, 00:18 | Link #96 |
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Oh yea, let's not forget that it took the WHOLE CREW to BARELY defeat a Pacifista pre-timeskip...and Luffy's timeskip power jump allowed him to ONE-SHOT A PACIFISTA. Luffy, Zoro and Sanji went from being helpless against a pacifista alone to destroying one in a single hit...they literally became much stronger than their whole pre-timeskip CREW. The Pacifista was 1/8th of Kuma's strength if I remember correctly...and I highly highly highly doubt Kuma is admiral/yonkou level, even pos-timeskip with the upgrades.
And I've had this conversation in the anime thread before but...VAs don't have that position because they are pretty and shiny...there FEW VAs in the marines, it's not a position that many have at all (I think there's like 12 or something). Plus all VAs are Haki users...and most look like they know Rokushiki too. So what if Rey trained him? You can be trained by the strongest fighter in the world for two years and not become top level...having a powerful teacher helps a lot, but it doesn't mean you're instantly top level once you're done. PLUS, Rey only taught him Haki, he didn't teach him anything else and left once Luffy learned all he could about Haki...the rest of Luffy's training came from living on that island. I do not get why people want Luffy to be at the top level so soon...THEY JUST GOT TO THE NW...for christ sakes, we are the half way point and you want him to be at the top level? You want the crew to have three guys near, if not at yonkou level so soon? Why? So they can easily destroy everyone they meet and be boring? Having Luffy be much stronger than the enemy is fun and all but it quickly grows boring...there's no sense of danger if he is as strong as the strongest guys. |
2013-01-23, 00:51 | Link #97 |
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Hey guys, spoilers are out! So of course that also means new thread!
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I don't count Vergo and Smoker because 1 has said to chase Luffy to the end of the Grandline and the other is a right hand man of 1 of the strongest Shichibukai, they don't follow the normal VA pattern. And Haki has been a mess ever since it was introduced. Ace never knew Haki and it only proved disastrous against Blackbeard and Akainu, arguably 2 top 10 fighters. Yet he was still seen blowing away marine ships. Quote:
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2013-01-23, 10:02 | Link #99 | |
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Luffy survived the war due to plot armor. You know that, so don't base your strength assessments of the VAs on that arc. Mihawk and the admirals didn't kill Luffy either, even though it would be a piece of cake to do that for them. Again, the only real outlier in the VAs is/was Garp because he's admiral level. Ace was a high tier, and Luffy was much weaker than him pre-skip.
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2013-01-23, 11:54 | Link #100 | |
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I just think that like the Shichibukai there is a world of difference between the different VA's. And that it isn't clear cut victory for any VA vs pre-time skip Luffy. |
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