2011-02-17, 10:04 | Link #3001 |
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His point was without changing anything. Goku lived, and Vegeta was on Earth. If it ended like that, there would still be a lot of questions, not the least of which is whether Gohan was ready to protect the Earth.
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2011-02-17, 11:12 | Link #3002 | |
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This. And especially after seeing how disgustingly bland and artificial the modern art style looks in an actual episode in the remade Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans OVA in Raging Blast 2, I'd really rather not see anymore of it. I guess it looks good in the OP because it's just a minute of animation with very high production values, but if it were there all the time it would surely get pretty bad IMO. The classic art has so much more personality and Dragon Ball feel. |
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2011-02-17, 15:51 | Link #3003 | |
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The art looks exquisite even after all these years. Toriyama and the anime staff back then should be proud of themselves. |
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2011-02-18, 04:32 | Link #3004 |
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Though it may be true that Dragon Balls art from back then is pretty smooth even now, the fact remains there would be a much better visual if they re-animated it. Way better techniques then back then, more colors to use, and better animation over all.
DBZ if re-animated would have been just as good, but more likely better then its classic form.
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2011-02-18, 05:34 | Link #3006 | |
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....shiver. Sorry, when I saw "Endless Twighling", I suddenly thought of "Endless Eight" from Haruhi, THE most infamous recent example of how "Reanimating something does NOT make it better."
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2011-02-18, 11:18 | Link #3007 | |
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And secondly, expecting them to re-animate everything is just absurd. There's no such thing as a long-winding shounen series with stunning animation every episode...it's just not reasonable. The amount of effort and hours they'd have to put in would mean it'd never be able to keep the weekly schedule. Even modern day ones like Naruto still see their dips.
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2011-02-18, 13:27 | Link #3008 | |
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Whether or not they should have redrawn complete episode depends on the individual episode IMO, for example in the last episode the Gohan vs Cell Jr, looked great no need to reanimate it. Gohan vs Cell later in the episode on the other hand looked really poor and redrawing could have helped.
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2011-02-18, 14:03 | Link #3009 | |
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EDIT: And btw, do any of you happen to know if the show's been doing well in Japan? Just curious to see how it's being received and if DBZ still holds any brand power these days.
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2011-02-18, 15:12 | Link #3010 |
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My take with this discussion is, if we had modern-day animation, we'd likely have a more consistent quality of animation. The old style really jumps all over the place sometimes, especially with the different animating teams they used.
On the other hand, I think modern day anime tends to have really soul-less, bland art. There are definitely exceptions, but the way I see it the majority look completely devoid of personality or individual artistic touch. There's something to say about the fact that, even though this is an action cartoon, art is still art. The modern way may be more efficient and polished, but the human element of artwork can't be undervalued. And I feel that it has become undervalued in modern anime, and even moreso in modern animated television in the US. You can see the personality in the characters with the old art. But even the brief glimpses of the new art that we sometimes get in the mid-episode still and opening/ending music seems less 'human' somehow. It's really an entirely subjective experience, but that makes sense because art itself is subjectively enjoyed. So there's my two cents. This would make an interesting, more general topic in the "general anime" section as well. |
2011-02-18, 15:36 | Link #3011 |
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The different animation teams that worked on the episodes of DBZ worked quite well, though they kinda clash together in Kai because we're seeing two episodes in one most of the time. I'm surprised it hasn't bothered me at all, though i wouldn't be surprised how many people would bring that issue up.
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2011-02-18, 19:24 | Link #3012 | |
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2011-02-18, 20:05 | Link #3013 | |
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2011-02-18, 23:02 | Link #3014 |
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Nowadays, many anime viewers are spoiled by modern artwork/animation. Anything that looks remotely old/dated is rejected by them. They concentrate too much on the aesthetics and not enough on the substance of the show. It's a real pity, because that's a poor way of analyzing the quality of a series.
Also, anything that looks "eccentric" isn't appreciated as much. One Piece is a perfect example.
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2011-02-18, 23:05 | Link #3015 | |
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Of course the show looked like fuckwin awesome back in the day...kinda like Thundercats, then we got older and watched it again....FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU. One can still appreciate a series while criticizing it. |
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2011-02-19, 05:20 | Link #3016 |
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I wouldn't say "a lot worse", though it really just depends on how you feel about old animation. I personally loved the look of the start of the series, which was very reminiscent of the last arc of the original Dragon ball adaptation.
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2011-02-19, 05:56 | Link #3017 | |
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but then again shows like Freezing, Bleach fillers and Naruto fillers and lot of moe/ecchi anime that are not animated good are still watched a lot of days so i do not know if what your saying is the reality too One Piece is at least consistently animated imo, nice series although im overwhelmed by the amount of episodes it has, so that is the reason i only watch random episodes |
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You're wrong. One Piece is also done by Toei Animation (the same company that did DragonBall). That being said, it also has various styles of animation/artwork because of the different teams working on the series.
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In the case of Dragonball, I just think the art has a very unique appeal that I've always associated with the show. So there might be some nostalgia goggling involved, but I wouldn't have it any other way. I really just can't stomach the modern animation they show sometimes in the stills, undoubtedly superior in quality but alien and 'soulless' in their feel. Quote:
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2011-02-19, 18:39 | Link #3020 |
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You've got to be REALLY unperceptive not to notice when a Kai episode switches over to what was a new episode in DBZ. This last episode was one of the most glaring examples too, with Gohan vs Cell Jrs. having superb art but then when it was Cell's turn the art work became that much more lackluster.
Another really obvious one would be when Trunks kills Freeza, cutting him in half with amazing art work, but then finishing the job with a crappy one due to a much worse animation team. But yeah with that being said, it doesn't really bother me much either. |
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