Madan no Ou to Vanadis [Light Novel]

[Ramero]

Well it was the embodiment but we don't know how and who guide the Black Dragon Incarnation itself in the process or maybe Tigre and Titta came from one descendant which was the Black Dragon where Tigre's ancestor took a path of Archery while Titta's ancestors took a path of the Shrine Maidens. Who know that if Tir Na Fal may decide that as well so she can look for someone who was "Perfect" as her catalyst.

[Prongs]

Aside from Tir Na Fal what happened about goddess of pleasure and wine? Lol temple as prostitution..

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by AndySimpson96

Don't forget about his mother. She's got to be connected somehow.

Well, to be fair, aside her status as the daughter of Brune's Royal Gardener and the wife of Urs of Alsace, anything about Tigre's mother is am, although you also need to point out that Ganelon's remark about Tigre's parents is....well suspicious. According to the former Duke, he know Tigre's parents well and see them as ordinary human. One of them is Tigre's mother, whose life remain a mystery despite the book indicating that she is described to be a gentle yet benevolent woman, at least, according to Mashas and Hughes. Volume 15 surely explain more details about her life though.....

Originally Posted by DragonOsman

@Prongs: The fact that previous masters of the Black Bow were Tigre's ancestors makes it likely that the founder King of Zhcted was a Vorn, to some extent, and it does also make it kind of likely that Tigre is of Zhcted descent since it means that the Vorn family is (somehow) from Zhcted originally.

The people of Alsace love the bow even though most of the people of Brune despise it. I think that's another sign (though I'm not saying that everyone in Brune who is okay with the bow is of Zhcted descent somehow).

Nothing about the exact relationship between House Vorn from Zhcted's Ancient loyalty-including its origins, and it is still under debate.

Also, you owe us an explanation about whatever happen to Sofy that makes you cry why. I swear, if you dare say she is either dead or defected to the dark side....

[KnightShade]

Spoiler for v16:

from what i could dig up on amazon jp reviews, sofy should be just fine. she was barely mentioned outside of her brief battle with valentina.

[DragonOsman]

^Thanks, Kidstandout. So Sofy should be fine.

@Chingaruna: The Vorn families origins being under debate is true. But there's still some cred in them originating from Zhcted until the novels debunk this.

[Ramero]

I also start to suspect that author may make another sequel for this since i'm quite skeptical that answering plenty of mysteries in one last volume is very unlikely but the best odds is extend it.

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by Ramero

I also start to suspect that author may make another sequel for this since i'm quite skeptical that answering plenty of mysteries in one last volume is very unlikely but the best odds is extend it.

Read a bit of chapter 1:

Spoiler for Spoilers:

Liza vs Fig: Liza lost. Fig pretended to retreat and ambushed Liza from above, blocking her blow with one sword and cutting deep into her right arm with the other. With the next clash at the same level of power, Liza whose arms are weakened was blown away. Tigre interfered before Fig could went in and finish her off.

Fig left the fight after realizing that Tigre is not someone that can be taken on head on (he bounced an arrow past her face) and she has no experience dealing with a foreign noble.

Sophie vs Valentina: Draw. Sophie notedthat Valentina is at Ellen's level when fighting and if it drags on, Sophie might lose. Ruslan stopped their fight and asked their reason for fighting. Since Valentina reported that she is acting on her report that she believe Sophie, Ellen and Liza were consorting against Ruslan but with no evidence to support her claim. Ruslan sentenced Valentina to 30 days confinement within a house in the city and visitors are only allowed if permitted by Ruslan.

Seems that next volume will indeed be the final.

[Chingaruna517]

Well, boy that is a relief. Wonder how will Sofy ever thank Tigre for the rescue?

Originally Posted by Ramero

I also start to suspect that author may make another sequel for this since i'm quite skeptical that answering plenty of mysteries in one last volume is very unlikely but the best odds is extend it.

I also hope that is definitely not the end of it for my personal opinion, better not miss anything

Spoiler for Plot point that the author need to fix before finishing it off:

1. Zhcted Civil War is already started not long after the Silesia Imperial Garden incident, so fast that its cover even the entire Volume 16 for it. To say that the civil war is going to end on the next volume is purely rushed...
2. Tina, the source of the entire Zhcted Civil War. Just as she wished, Zhcted is now fallen into chaos and there is seemly everyone in Zhcted are fighting for even one piece of their place in Zhcted nobility. This leaves me to wonder if her ambition stop when Osterode is being caught in the middle of the civil war. 'cause, ya know, according to one story from Urs Arc, the Void Vanadis don't mind the fall of Zhcted as long Osterode is not involved in her mess she make. Perhaps one notable thing she plead Tigre to be neutral is because she doesn't foresee Tigre will be quickly involved into this pile of mess....
3. And speaking of Zhcted Nobility, whatever happen to that? There is so much trouble going on that even that become powerless: Ruslan's position as the King of Zhcted is revoked for reasons unknown, Eugene's soul is broken after the deaths of Viktor and Ilda, all that remains within House's Estes of the Zhcted Nobility are either too sick or too young to take control the throne; also, as above, the nobles are getting a piece of their place in Zhcted's nobility, with some even wanted Eugene gone for good. Apparently, not everyone in the kingdom likes Eugene despite him as the key in the peaceful diplomatic relationships between Brune and Zhcted, which makes him as the late Viktor's favorite in the first place.
4. The hazy relationship between House Vorn and the Black Dragon King himself due to the House's only heirloom the Black Bow, which is relevant to Zhcted's own lore itself. I don't mind that Tir Na Fal explanation may seemly expose the entire nature of the Madan No Ou Lore, what I don't get is how is the Goddess of the Darkness even know that lore? And how come Tigre is the only one she talked to?
5. And lets not forget, GANELON! The demon seemly now using Zhcted's chaos as his time to cause chaos by robbing the Black Bow and summoning Tir Na Fal. Needless to say, everyone is so busy in fighting against each other that nobody even realize that their situation is used by a monster for his own desire. One even question if "putting differences aside for nationality interest" is possible anymore when Fine is starting acting as a tyrannic ruler, something not even the late Sasha could do, as well as Tina's continuing ambition to be queen via its chaos.

Originally Posted by holybell84

Read a bit of chapter 1:

Spoiler for Spoilers:

Liza vs Fig: Liza lost. Fig pretended to retreat and ambushed Liza from above, blocking her blow with one sword and cutting deep into her right arm with the other. With the next clash at the same level of power, Liza whose arms are weakened was blown away. Tigre interfered before Fig could went in and finish her off.

Fig left the fight after realizing that Tigre is not someone that can be taken on head on (he bounced an arrow past her face) and she has no experience dealing with a foreign noble.

Sophie vs Valentina: Draw. Sophie notedthat Valentina is at Ellen's level when fighting and if it drags on, Sophie might lose. Ruslan stopped their fight and asked their reason for fighting. Since Valentina reported that she is acting on her report that she believe Sophie, Ellen and Liza were consorting against Ruslan but with no evidence to support her claim. Ruslan sentenced Valentina to 30 days confinement within a house in the city and visitors are only allowed if permitted by Ruslan.

Seems that next volume will indeed be the final.

OK here is my personal review to @Hollybell's info. Thanks man

Spoiler for Response to the Spoiler:

1. Pretty much expected, Liza is lost from the duel but I never thought Fine to use ambush tactic to defeat Liza. Luckily Tigre save Liza, again, for the third time since Baba Yaga and Kazakov, moments before Fine's blow to her. I wonder if that alone established a rivalry between Tigre and Fine....
2. Regarding Fine's retreat, I think the new Fire Vanadis didn't learn that harming his ally will technically making her as his enemy automatically, be it a man, woman or even monsters. So, for an experience warrior who killed men in many battlefield, destroyed one mercenary group by killing its leader, and even crippled one of her fellow Vanadis (lets be honest here, the only reason why Fine is capable defeats Liza is because the latter's injury which she uses as advantage for her benefit), cannot even predict an archer who leaves her off-guard via an arrow? Wow, just wow. Also, rather than just a "foreign noble", I think the appropriate word is the archer because never she had in her life had to deal with an archer in her experience in battle. That said, any conversation in between the two yet? Surely, Fine has not forget that she yearned to see him from the Showdown Arc, no? Was that intention suddenly drop out from the windows two books later? Because, ladies and gents, we may have the first War Maiden going rouge!
3. Meanwhile, the battle between Sofy and Tina is seemly draw and, did you say Tina's fighting capability pars with Elen's?
4. For good grief, Ruslan finally able to stop them both from continuing battling and it seems the Void Vanadis trying to trick the new king onto her favor again. Fortunately, the new king doesn't by Tina's ruse and have her locked up as her punishment, for 30 days, in Silesia, where nobody even going to contact her unless the new king said so. Thank god, Ruslan is not as incompetent as I thought to be. But what if the confinement alone is part of Tina's plan?

Also, if the next Volume is indeed the last volume, can somebody explain the plot-points I posted here not too long ago? Noble's Uprising, Fine's Tyranny, Tina's Vile Ambitions, House Estes's Decline and especially Ganelon. There is so much to tell that one book isn't enough! Or is the author is running out of idea to continue the story?

[Ramero]

Originally Posted by holybell84

Read a bit of chapter 1:

Spoiler for Spoilers:

Liza vs Fig: Liza lost. Fig pretended to retreat and ambushed Liza from above, blocking her blow with one sword and cutting deep into her right arm with the other. With the next clash at the same level of power, Liza whose arms are weakened was blown away. Tigre interfered before Fig could went in and finish her off.

Fig left the fight after realizing that Tigre is not someone that can be taken on head on (he bounced an arrow past her face) and she has no experience dealing with a foreign noble.

Sophie vs Valentina: Draw. Sophie notedthat Valentina is at Ellen's level when fighting and if it drags on, Sophie might lose. Ruslan stopped their fight and asked their reason for fighting. Since Valentina reported that she is acting on her report that she believe Sophie, Ellen and Liza were consorting against Ruslan but with no evidence to support her claim. Ruslan sentenced Valentina to 30 days confinement within a house in the city and visitors are only allowed if permitted by Ruslan.

Seems that next volume will indeed be the final.

Not really based on many untold stories and mystery itself. It's hard to wrap it up in just one Volume which i expect it can be extended not to mention that Tigre now has two formidable opponent in the future, Kureys if he didn't join the assault to Zhcted and Tallard who want to try avoiding him as long as he can.

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Well, boy that is a relief. Wonder how will Sofy ever thank Tigre for the rescue?



I also hope that is definitely not the end of it for my personal opinion, better not miss anything

Spoiler for Plot point that the author need to fix before finishing it off:

1. Zhcted Civil War is already started not long after the Silesia Imperial Garden incident, so fast that its cover even the entire Volume 16 for it. To say that the civil war is going to end on the next volume is purely rushed...
2. Tina, the source of the entire Zhcted Civil War. Just as she wished, Zhcted is now fallen into chaos and there is seemly everyone in Zhcted are fighting for even one piece of their place in Zhcted nobility. This leaves me to wonder if her ambition stop when Osterode is being caught in the middle of the civil war. 'cause, ya know, according to one story from Urs Arc, the Void Vanadis don't mind the fall of Zhcted as long Osterode is not involved in her mess she make. Perhaps one notable thing she plead Tigre to be neutral is because she doesn't foresee Tigre will be quickly involved into this pile of mess....
3. And speaking of Zhcted Nobility, whatever happen to that? There is so much trouble going on that even that become powerless: Ruslan's position as the King of Zhcted is revoked for reasons unknown, Eugene's soul is broken after the deaths of Viktor and Ilda, all that remains within House's Estes of the Zhcted Nobility are either too sick or too young to take control the throne; also, as above, the nobles are getting a piece of their place in Zhcted's nobility, with some even wanted Eugene gone for good. Apparently, not everyone in the kingdom likes Eugene despite him as the key in the peaceful diplomatic relationships between Brune and Zhcted, which makes him as the late Viktor's favorite in the first place.
4. The hazy relationship between House Vorn and the Black Dragon King himself due to the House's only heirloom the Black Bow, which is relevant to Zhcted's own lore itself. I don't mind that Tir Na Fal explanation may seemly expose the entire nature of the Madan No Ou Lore, what I don't get is how is the Goddess of the Darkness even know that lore? And how come Tigre is the only one she talked to?
5. And lets not forget, GANELON! The demon seemly now using Zhcted's chaos as his time to cause chaos by robbing the Black Bow and summoning Tir Na Fal. Needless to say, everyone is so busy in fighting against each other that nobody even realize that their situation is used by a monster for his own desire. One even question if "putting differences aside for nationality interest" is possible anymore when Fine is starting acting as a tyrannic ruler, something not even the late Sasha could do, as well as Tina's continuing ambition to be queen via its chaos.

Yeah, i agree since there are plenty of unanswered mysteries which i can expect it can be extended at least one to three volumes. The interview to 2chan could be a distraction or something since we haven't see mysteries that has yet to be answered not to mention the origin of the Viralt as well which can be selected through Tir Na Fal as well or not due to the Viralts also have a manifestation of Darkness due to name itself.

[Chingaruna517]

^I think this is pretty much established that the civil war in Zhcted is the shortest one via Deus Machina. Unless the plot-points are explained I don't accept the 17th Volume will be the last chapter of the entire chapter unless something is properly explained....

Also,

Spoiler for Fine's plan in battling against Tigre:

What is her idea of Fine's next plan in attacking Tigre by the next time they meet? Doesn't she want to meet Tigre after hearing Elen's involvement in Brune's wars? Never-mind the fact that from last Volume, her lack of social skills is what screwing her would-be reconciliation with Elen and Lim, even though that wasn't intentional (or so she thought)...

Considering her background as a mercenary and live her life through fighting, I let it slide. What I dislike about Fine's antagonism however is because of that very background, she had to resort into fighting without thinking possible the alternatives other than fighting/killing. As if failing to compromise with Elen isn't bad enough, but killing Liza for "acting suspicious" to hers and Tina's idea and planning to defeat Tigre's next time in whatever tactics? Seriously? This only fueling Elen's hatred towards her now nemesis considering she has just reconcile with Liza not too long ago, as well Tigre as Elen's sole reason to refrain herself from unreasonable outburst.

Additionally, considering Tigre's hunter background and his reflexes, this ambush trick Fine used effectively against Liza will not work against him. It will never work. If you read where Tigre managed to pin down Elen during Regin Arc, you will get an idea how Fine will be pinned by Tigre if she used the same trick twice...

[Prongs]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

^I think this is pretty much established that the civil war in Zhcted is the shortest one via Deus Machina. Unless the plot-points are explained I don't accept the 17th Volume will be the last chapter of the entire chapter unless something is properly explained....

Also,

Spoiler for Fine's plan in battling against Tigre:

What is her idea of Fine's next plan in attacking Tigre by the next time they meet? Doesn't she want to meet Tigre after hearing Elen's involvement in Brune's wars? Never-mind the fact that from last Volume, her lack of social skills is what screwing her would-be reconciliation with Elen and Lim, even though that wasn't intentional (or so she thought)...

Considering her background as a mercenary and live her life through fighting, I let it slide. What I dislike about Fine's antagonism however is because of that very background, she had to resort into fighting without thinking possible the alternatives other than fighting/killing. As if failing to compromise with Elen isn't bad enough, but killing Liza for "acting suspicious" to hers and Tina's idea and planning to defeat Tigre's next time in whatever tactics? Seriously? This only fueling Elen's hatred towards her now nemesis considering she has just reconcile with Liza not too long ago, as well Tigre as Elen's sole reason to refrain herself from unreasonable outburst.

Additionally, considering Tigre's hunter background and his reflexes, this ambush trick Fine used effectively against Liza will not work against him. It will never work. If you read where Tigre managed to pin down Elen during Regin Arc, you will get an idea how Fine will be pinned by Tigre if she used the same trick twice...

By Pin down you mean "that" right?? new harem member??

Sofy, Liza, or Mila.. what a tough choice......

"Regin Estelle Loire Bastien do Charles" best name....

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Well, boy that is a relief. Wonder how will Sofy ever thank Tigre for the rescue?



I also hope that is definitely not the end of it for my personal opinion, better not miss anything

Spoiler for Plot point that the author need to fix before finishing it off:

1. Zhcted Civil War is already started not long after the Silesia Imperial Garden incident, so fast that its cover even the entire Volume 16 for it. To say that the civil war is going to end on the next volume is purely rushed...
2. Tina, the source of the entire Zhcted Civil War. Just as she wished, Zhcted is now fallen into chaos and there is seemly everyone in Zhcted are fighting for even one piece of their place in Zhcted nobility. This leaves me to wonder if her ambition stop when Osterode is being caught in the middle of the civil war. 'cause, ya know, according to one story from Urs Arc, the Void Vanadis don't mind the fall of Zhcted as long Osterode is not involved in her mess she make. Perhaps one notable thing she plead Tigre to be neutral is because she doesn't foresee Tigre will be quickly involved into this pile of mess....
3. And speaking of Zhcted Nobility, whatever happen to that? There is so much trouble going on that even that become powerless: Ruslan's position as the King of Zhcted is revoked for reasons unknown, Eugene's soul is broken after the deaths of Viktor and Ilda, all that remains within House's Estes of the Zhcted Nobility are either too sick or too young to take control the throne; also, as above, the nobles are getting a piece of their place in Zhcted's nobility, with some even wanted Eugene gone for good. Apparently, not everyone in the kingdom likes Eugene despite him as the key in the peaceful diplomatic relationships between Brune and Zhcted, which makes him as the late Viktor's favorite in the first place.
4. The hazy relationship between House Vorn and the Black Dragon King himself due to the House's only heirloom the Black Bow, which is relevant to Zhcted's own lore itself. I don't mind that Tir Na Fal explanation may seemly expose the entire nature of the Madan No Ou Lore, what I don't get is how is the Goddess of the Darkness even know that lore? And how come Tigre is the only one she talked to?
5. And lets not forget, GANELON! The demon seemly now using Zhcted's chaos as his time to cause chaos by robbing the Black Bow and summoning Tir Na Fal. Needless to say, everyone is so busy in fighting against each other that nobody even realize that their situation is used by a monster for his own desire. One even question if "putting differences aside for nationality interest" is possible anymore when Fine is starting acting as a tyrannic ruler, something not even the late Sasha could do, as well as Tina's continuing ambition to be queen via its chaos.

OK here is my personal review to @Hollybell's info. Thanks man

Spoiler for Response to the Spoiler:

1. Pretty much expected, Liza is lost from the duel but I never thought Fine to use ambush tactic to defeat Liza. Luckily Tigre save Liza, again, for the third time since Baba Yaga and Kazakov, moments before Fine's blow to her. I wonder if that alone established a rivalry between Tigre and Fine....
2. Regarding Fine's retreat, I think the new Fire Vanadis didn't learn that harming his ally will technically making her as his enemy automatically, be it a man, woman or even monsters. So, for the woman who killed men in battlefield in her life, . Also, rather than just a "foreign noble", I think the appropriate word is the archer because never she had in her life had to deal with an archer in her experience in battle. That said, any conversation in between the two yet? Surely, Fine has not forget that she yearned to see him from the Showdown Arc, no? Was that intention suddenly drop out from the windows two books later? Because, ladies and gents, we may have the first War Maiden going rouge!
3. Meanwhile, the battle between Sofy and Tina is seemly draw and, did you say Tina's fighting capability pars with Elen's?
4. For good grief, Ruslan finally able to stop them both from continuing battling and it seems the Void Vanadis trying to trick the new king onto her favor again. Fortunately, the new king doesn't by Tina's ruse and have her locked up as her punishment, for 30 days, in Silesia, where nobody even going to contact her unless the new king said so. Thank god, Ruslan is not as incompetent as I thought to be. But what if the confinement alone is part of Tina's plan?

Also, if the next Volume is indeed the last volume, can somebody explain the plot-points I posted here not too long ago? Noble's Uprising, Fine's Tyranny, Tina's Vile Ambitions, House Estes's Decline and especially Ganelon. There is so much to tell that one book isn't enough! Or is the author is running out of idea to continue the story?

My info is just from the front half(?) of chapter 1 though, there's prob more at the back.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Sophie noted Valentina's fighting prowess to be on par with Ellen and in a drawn out fight, she prob lose. I noted the fight to be a draw since there is no distinction on who won clearly, though Valentina did forced Sophia at 1 point on full defense from her multi-directional attacks.

Fig initially thought that Tigre will aim for her legs then her head and moved forward accordingly to kill him. But Tigre literally aim for a small stone in front of her and bounced his arrow past her face, forcing her to realise that he is not someone to be taken head on. She praised his archery skills and left quietly.

[Chingaruna517]

^No, what I mean pinning down is literary pushing the victim down to the ground, holding it with a tight grip and start will a kill, if he is armed with a small knife. Elen learned Tigre's reflexes when sneaking on him even during his sleep from Regin Arc. If Fine is not careful, she might be on a pinned position right now....

[Prongs]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

^No, what I mean pinning down is literary pushing the victim down to the ground, holding it with a tight grip and start will a kill, if he is armed with a small knife. Elen learned Tigre's reflexes when sneaking on him even during his sleep from Regin Arc. If Fine is not careful, she might be on a pinned position right now....

oh sorry my bad.. so how much girl that pinned down by Tigre by now.. I recall Mila and Lim is ones of them

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by holybell84

My info is just from the front half(?) of chapter 1 though, there's prob more at the back.

Spoiler for Spoiler:

Sophie noted Valentina's fighting prowess to be on par with Ellen and in a drawn out fight, she prob lose. I noted the fight to be a draw since there is no distinction on who won clearly, though Valentina did forced Sophia at 1 point on full defense from her multi-directional attacks.

Fig initially thought that Tigre will aim for her legs then her head and moved forward accordingly to kill him. But Tigre literally aim for a small stone in front of her and bounced his arrow past her face, forcing her to realise that he is not someone to be taken head on. She praised his archery skills and left quietly.

Personal response from me to you,

Spoiler for response to above:

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1. If that is a case, then Sofy is nearly struggling against ever Tina's moves. That is expected considering the Void Vanadis that able to stand toe to toe against Ganelon.
2. I may have an impression that Fine's reason to kill Tigre is because she is outright annoyed by his interference, but for her to actually praising the Brune Hero's ingenious tactic by using a stone as a reflector is out surprising. That is one sided respect from Fine, but not Tigre because she harms his second important person after Elen. So my impression towards Fine-Tigre rivalry sticks alright, but my question still stand is why Fine is trying to kill Tigre when she yearned to meet him in person after hearing Elen's wars in Brune because of him? Was it because she want to test him?
3. Regarding Tina's arrest because her lies don't work anymore, considering Sofy as an eye witness towards Tina's treachery, do you think someone will outright against the new king? She already have more supporters from Northern Zhcted, some of whom were former nobles and retainers from the now collapsed Polus. I am also surprise to see Viktor took no bar to have Tina arrested for her lies, even if he was recovered from his "madness", which is ironic considering she rescued him so he can be used as her tool in order to become queen.

[holybell84]

Originally Posted by Chingaruna517

Personal response from me to you,

Spoiler for response to above:

s

1. If that is a case, then Sofy is nearly struggling against ever Tina's moves. That is expected considering the Void Vanadis that able to stand toe to toe against Ganelon.
2. I may have an impression that Fine's reason to kill Tigre is because she is outright annoyed by his interference, but for her to actually praising the Brune Hero's ingenious tactic by using a stone as a reflector is out surprising. That is one sided respect from Fine, but not Tigre because she harms his second important person after Elen. So my impression towards Fine-Tigre rivalry sticks alright, but my question still stand is why Fine is trying to kill Tigre when she yearned to meet him in person after hearing Elen's wars in Brune because of him? Was it because she want to test him?
3. Regarding Tina's arrest because her lies don't work anymore, considering Sofy as an eye witness towards Tina's treachery, do you think someone will outright against the new king? She already have more supporters from Northern Zhcted, some of whom were former nobles and retainers from the now collapsed Polus. I am also surprise to see Viktor took no bar to have Tina arrested for her lies, even if he was recovered from his "madness", which is ironic considering she rescued him so he can be used as her tool in order to become queen.

Spoiler for Response:

It was mentioned she didn't know much about Tigre and they already met last vol. Tigre was literally in the way of her taking out Liza, who is seriously injured. Given that they are on a path with walls on their left and right, she believes Tigre can be taken out easily and went for it. And Valentina will probably do something about his death if Tigre gets killed.

Got a feeling my info about Valentina's confinement got taken out of context, so:
- Ruslan caught them fighting and ask for reason
- Sophy replied she was attacked first
- Valentina replied she attacked based on suspicion that Sophie, Ellen and Liza was conspiring against Ruslan with Baron Palto, which she detailed in a report. But has no evidence to support her claims.
- Ruslan dismissed her claims, mentioning Ellen and Palto was close even b4 and proceed to confine her for 30 days for attacking another Vanadis based on unsubstantiated claims.

[Ultragunner]

My impression of Fine is not that of a impulsive/battle maniac, but can anyone please remind me of the reason why Fine is fighting everyone like this?
I know she has a history with Ellen, and the latter still holds a big grudge against the new Vanadis, but that seems like a one-way thing, no?
Or is this just the matter of "If you are being hostile then I shall do the same?"

[Marx-93]

Well, it seems when Fine re-encountered with Ellen, things didn't go well. And not in a jolly way either, but in a "you killed my (adoptive) father, prepare to die" (basically, hostile is a mild word).

After it, she approached Tina and Liza for protection, because all the other Vanadis are friendly with Ellen. But then it turned that Liza just approached them in order to get info on what the heck Tina is planning. I don't know what exactly triggered their fight in V15, but the big picture is easy enough to keep track off.

[Chingaruna517]

Originally Posted by Ultragunner

My impression of Fine is not that of a impulsive/battle maniac, but can anyone please remind me of the reason why Fine is fighting everyone like this?
I know she has a history with Ellen, and the latter still holds a big grudge against the new Vanadis, but that seems like a one-way thing, no?
Or is this just the matter of "If you are being hostile then I shall do the same?"

Because, @Ultragunner, being a mercenary as she always been prior to her rise as a Vanadis, survival is the only thing Fine know in her life, so she has to be hostile towards anyone whom seemly think as a threat. Keep in very mind that Elen and Fine did know each other and even used to be friends prior her life in the Silver Gale Mercenary which it later collapsed after she killed Vissarion in another war. That alone opting Elen take this into more personal account for a former idol killed her respected father figure.

Originally Posted by holybell84

Spoiler for Response:

It was mentioned she didn't know much about Tigre and they already met last vol. Tigre was literally in the way of her taking out Liza, who is seriously injured. Given that they are on a path with walls on their left and right, she believes Tigre can be taken out easily and went for it. And Valentina will probably do something about his death if Tigre gets killed.

Got a feeling my info about Valentina's confinement got taken out of context, so:
- Ruslan caught them fighting and ask for reason
- Sophy replied she was attacked first
- Valentina replied she attacked based on suspicion that Sophie, Ellen and Liza was conspiring against Ruslan with Baron Palto, which she detailed in a report. But has no evidence to support her claims.
- Ruslan dismissed her claims, mentioning Ellen and Palto was close even b4 and proceed to confine her for 30 days for attacking another Vanadis based on unsubstantiated claims.

Oh I see....Wait a minute, something is amiss here.

Spoiler for Personal response to above:

Are you tell me that the wandering mercenary, who travel across the continent, that's before her rise of a Vanadis, and she never heard about Brune Civil War or Asvarre Civil War? Last I recalled, in Vol.14, Fine yearns to meet Tigre after hearing Elen's wars in Brune from Tina not too long ago, and on the Vol.15. What, does a botched reconciliation attempt with Elen makes her miss Tigre that fast? Figures, Tigre's interference is what Fine think that he is getting her way for the kill, but what does she mean thought Tigre is easily to be disposed off? You are facing an archer who is involved intwo Civil Wars, defeating two massive invading army and even four demons including the likes of Ganelon and also the only person whom Elen viewed as beloved, with the feat like that Tigre will not be easily to be beaten. I think the deflective of an arrow that pass her face part is her miscalculation and she should be worrying about what Elen going to do because, oh I don't know, only makes her even angrier when she finds out Tigre's death by her hands? As if killing Vissarion isn't enough in damaging their relationship?

And regarding Tina's blatant lies, nice try because there are contradictions in that lies and I am pretty glad that Ruslan is no fool. Here is the thing,

1. Elen was tasked in taking part in repelling Sachstein Army in Brune, which by the way also involving Tina as well, and she have to deal with other ordeals such as Greast and Muozinel Army as well. So, where did she have a time in plotting a rebellion when she have Tigre at her side? She should know better.
2. It is clearly there is a rift between Sofy and Tina due to their differences, especially the latter's ominous idea in taking over Zhcted? This blame is her excuse in getting ride of Sofy who know too much of her plot, isn't it?
3. About Liza part? I don't know, considering her betrayal because of her investigation about Ilda's death? If I not mistaken, according to Tina, she noted that Liza has changed after meeting with Tigre.

[DragonOsman]

Even if this series isn't extended, the author could just move it to a new label. Aka a change in serialization. And I hope he does do that if there are still unfinished plot-points left after Volume 17. Then in that case, then in Volume 17, we'll probably leave it off at the point where Tigre is the new king of Zhcted with 6 or 7 Vanadis under him. If it's 6, 7th will be chosen in the continuation to replace the current one who isn't on his side. Lim could still be chosen as the new Vanadis of Bargren in Volume 17 if it didn't happen in Volume 16 despite the cover illustration pointing to it, and then if Tina still doesn't come under Tigre, she'll have to be one replaced later.

@Chingaruna: You asked why Tir na Fal knows about the Madan no Ou lore? Do you really need to ask that? I mean, after all, it should be obvious by now that the goddess the lore mentions whose will the Madan no Ou embodies is her. That and there's also the quote I brought from Kidstandout based on his MTL of Volume 15. And yeah, sure, it's an MTL, but right now it's all we have to go on.

I'm also glad Ruslan wasn't fooled by Tina's lies. But that being said, it's still possible that being confined like that is part of her plan someone else on here pointed out.