2018-07-18, 22:37 | Link #41 | |
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But I should add that Angolmois is obviously a work of fiction, and it has clearly taken artistic liberty with history, so we shouldn't assume that it's portraying actual events with total accuracy. Furthermore, I'm an anime-only viewer, so whatever I picked up with Googlefu won't necessarily correspond with developments in the manga original. |
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2018-07-19, 02:46 | Link #42 | |
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2018-07-19, 09:36 | Link #43 |
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Well, Tomomori's armor might be a historical inaccuracy already since the guy died in the Battle of Dan-no-ura by drowning. Unless his body was recovered and the his armor was salvaged in this story.
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2018-07-19, 11:44 | Link #45 | |
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It as though, in his person, the sundered halves of the country's two foremost warrior legacies are made whole again, to face the nation's greatest existential threat to date. |
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2018-07-20, 03:09 | Link #46 | |
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Still don't mind the parchment filter at all. |
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2018-07-24, 15:07 | Link #49 |
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Polyglamine was normal at that time and he had 7 kids, treating it like a cheap harem from a mediocre light novel looks foolish.
What I'm enjoying in the anime is that although there are the exaggerations that always exist in historical adaptations, they still try to use history as the basis, the use of the mount by the samurai was a great military advance to fight against the mongols in that period. |
2018-07-24, 15:45 | Link #50 | |
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yeah the rule of cool but works, this is fiction, not a history book. |
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2018-07-24, 17:50 | Link #51 |
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I was disappointed they didn't show us how Kuchii killed the enemy general and retrieved the heads. It seemed like he had a plan when he headed right into the obvious enemy trap, but all we saw him do was charge in and that was it.
The twist at the end was nice.
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2018-07-25, 05:10 | Link #53 |
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I didn't enjoy this episode as much as the previous ones. This one hangs a bit too much on Kuchi being such an impossible killing machine that he can carve his way through an entire enemy formation to get to the general. I mean sure, I guess he can, but not even showing it, and hell when we leave him he just seems stuck there not progressing forward, so it feels like a writer giving him the win, rather than something he achieved.
Also while in the last episode he appeared smart, in this episode MC seems a bit too much like just a hothead that kinda got lucky that his plan worked, even though enemy expected him to do it. Also someone mentioned that we won't see Koreans and Chinese? Hasn't these all been basically Mongol Korean auxiliaries? They even call them using ancient name for one of Korean Kingdoms, and they fly banners pretty similar to today's Southern Korean flags. And it would make sense for this to be Koreans given that Tsushima is not the main goal, so it's normal for them to just send a bunch of their allies to do the island in. Besides, I don't think Mongol Mongols would fight on the foot if they can help it. The bit at the end? Yeah, that on the other hand is smart. I also wonder when the colorfull band of Mongol agents we've seen in this episode will make their move.
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2018-07-25, 11:05 | Link #54 | ||
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That said, Kuchii's tactics were not flawed. It was indeed common for mediaeval armies to over-stretch their battle lines and open themselves to a pre-meditated counter-attack. That was, in fact, a signature tactic of the mounted archers of the steppes, ie, the Mongols and the Huns before them, and in fact as far back as the Parthians, from whom we get the modern-day expression of "a parting shot". The steppe warriors had the advantage of range, firepower and mobility, and they made full use of these advantages to harass the enemy at range, forcing the opposing side to charge towards them. And once the enemies tired themselves out in pursuit, the mounted warriors reversed their "retreat" to finish them off. Kuchii was not wrong, either, in assessing that battles have a certain flow, and combats are often won or lost based on the relative strengths of each side's morale. Having regained the initiative and momentum to temporarily scatter the enemy ranks, Kuchii judged that the moment had come to strike a more decisive blow before the Mongols regained their composure. Retrieving the heads of the Sou lord and his son was, in his mind, also worth the risk, as the impact on his side's morale would be considerably improved by this one gamble. As an illustration, Oda Nobunaga would make his name many centuries later, by carrying out a similarly audacious manoeuvre against a far larger enemy force. So, the point here is that the charisma of a military leader can make or break an army, as was the case with Kuchii's forces. So, all in all, the tactics, as presented, are plausible. It's just that the on-screen execution was not up to the task of conveying their plausibility. Quote:
(As one would expect, in real life, the invasion of Tsushima merited barely a footnote in the invasion of 1274. The Mongols landed and obliterated the island's defenders and left no survivors, the end. Angolmois may or may not end the same way, but going by the introduction at episode 1, I think the chances are good that Kuchii's valiant defence eventually came to nought. This story is likely going the same direction as the Battle of the Alamo.) The 1281 invasion was even more formidable, with the Mongols fielding some 140,000 soldiers — again, mostly conscripts — against 40,000 of the Japanese. As mentioned earlier, the Japanese were saved only by sheer luck, with the weather working against the Mongols in both campaigns. The lesson to be learnt from history? It's never an easy thing to invade an island nation: The English were also partly saved from the Spanish Armada in 1588 by favourable weather. The logistics of putting together a navy large enough to not just transport soldiers but also horses and provisions is phenomenally challenging, and ruinously expensive. |
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2018-07-25, 14:11 | Link #55 |
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I'm not liking the directing of this show. The battles and skirmishes just really lack atmosphere and tension (perhaps due to aforementioned budget limitations) and the characterisation is pretty generic thus far. I don't know how accurate this story is but I get the feeling it's overly focused on historical details and "war tactics exposition" and fails to tell an engaging story.
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2018-07-25, 16:50 | Link #56 | |
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I frankly thought the reason the princess was there so she could kick the rest into gear to drive to his rescue and hit the enemy in the back, therefore easing the pressure on him and spoiling his plans. But so far she has kinda been useless. Oh and yeah. The introduction of those two other samurai or something I guess REALLY broke the flow of the episode. We are in a fight and then suddenly this guy that isn't really distinctive enough is rambling something about himself. Only later I figured he was probably another of the exiles. At least the archer has a distinctive enough design.
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2018-07-25, 21:12 | Link #57 | |
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2018-07-27, 18:25 | Link #60 |
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Both attempted invasions encountered "kamikaze" typhoons. Here's a brief documentary on these invasions. The use of naval trebuchet and bombs by the Mongols against Sou's forces on the beach are shown here.
The video that follows this on YouTube presents a quick overview of the Mongol Empire and its expansion, particularly through Persia and the Middle East.
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