2020 US Presidential Election Discussion (primary & general)

[monir]

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Can he be beaten this time around in the upcoming Democratic primary? There won't be superdelegates to stave off the Bernie-bro surge.

[ganbaru]

The media can still try to puch foward a centrist/corporate Dem like Biden, Cory Booker or Kamala Harris. Another way could be if all the progressive candidate dillute the votes between themself and a corporate one end up with the more vote but only Something like 25% to 35% of the total vote.

[Solace]

He has to face the GOP smear machine this time. If he can endure that and still look good to voters, he'll win. His age and his ties to socialist nations/leaders will hurt though. Some of the video and articles out there are really easy to spin.

It really speaks to the enthusiasm problem the other candidates have, though admittedly they aren't really household names yet. I'm rooting for Warren though.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by monir

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Can he be beaten this time around in the upcoming Democratic primary? There won't be superdelegates to stave off the Bernie-bro surge.

for the last time, Hillary won more votes then bernie, won more delegates then bernie and did not need the sd to close the deal.


and can someone ask bernie about his wife running a nice little college into bankruptcy with a questionable real estate deal.

[Toukairin]

Originally Posted by Solace

It really speaks to the enthusiasm problem the other candidates have, though admittedly they aren't really household names yet. I'm rooting for Warren though.

Warren was my pick when the question about Hillary's running mate came up. She will have a big fight ahead, but it would be great if she can make it. She's one of the few who can get under Trump's skin.

[monir]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

for the last time, Hillary won more votes then bernie, won more delegates then bernie and did not need the sd to close the deal.

Let's all forget about some of the underhanded technique employed by DNC to see Hilary through. Did you forget how DNC was sweating at the what-if scenario if Bernie went on to win more votes and delegates in that stretch of Bernie winning including Michigan... then can the super delegate still vote for Hilary? It was only two and half years ago.

and can someone ask bernie about his wife running a nice little college into bankruptcy with a questionable real estate deal.

Does that even matter in the age of a pussy grabber? Does anything at all matter these days if one is able to connect with people with his messaging? Bernie will be fine.

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by monir

Let's all forget about some of the underhanded technique employed by DNC to see Hilary through.

Oh you mean when like Hillary got ahold of a list of bernie's potential voter database for about 40mins... oh right it was the other way around.

Does that even matter in the age of a pussy grabber? Does anything at all matter these days if one is able to connect with people with his messaging? Bernie will be fine.

actually yes, it does matter or are you saying that Bernie supporter won't care that his wife basically lie on the loan application (inflating the amount of donation the school receives) and bankrupt a college?


And whether bernie's wife should be on trial or not, I want to see how Bernie and all the other dem presidential candidate handle questions regarding questionable/potentially embarrassing issue connected to the candidate and their family. if they can't handle these questions during the primary. The Trump and the republicans will mince meat out them in the presidential campaign.

[monir]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Oh you mean when like Hillary got ahold of a list of bernie's potential voter database for about 40mins... oh right it was the other way around.

actually yes, it does matter or are you saying that Bernie supporter won't care that his wife basically lie on the loan application (inflating the amount of donation the school receives) and bankrupt a college?


And whether bernie's wife should be on trial or not, I want to see how Bernie and all the other dem presidential candidate handle questions regarding questionable/potentially embarrassing issue connected to the candidate and their family. if they can't handle these questions during the primary. The Trump and the republicans will mince meat out them in the presidential campaign.

Are we both living in the same timeline? Things are a bit different these days where a guy can sleep with pornstars, can be a potential spy for an adverse nation, can spout support for altright groups, can lie constantly and still come out on top because he has a message that resonates with his voting base. Bernie is pretty similar to Trump in that respect except he is on the other side of the coin. What his fucking wife did or didn't do mean shit anymore. Not in this current environment anyway. Our current president pretty much nullified all argument against having bad character, judgment, dumb, racist, crook, vulgar, narcissist, sexist....etc.... etc....etc....etc...

Just stay on message and you will be fine. Bernie will be fine.

Am I the only that see this?

[Toukairin]

Truth be told: I cannot wait until April comes and that all DNC candidates are on deck. I really want those debates to start early.

As for Trump, I'm not even sure he will survive long enough to go in the 2020 presidential election since anything can bring him down. He could be accused with criminal charges and thus impeached. The Mueller report could point out to him being an active asset for a foreign nation, which could also trigger impeachment. Most unlikely but not impossible, a few GOP politicians could do to Trump what Michael Heseltine did to Margaret Thatcher.

[The Green One]

Will Bernie even matter though? Who knows.

Still I pity whoever has to face Trump if he's still *blech* around. The mudslinging will be fierce.

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by monir

Are we both living in the same timeline? Things are a bit different these days where a guy can sleep with pornstars, can be a potential spy for an adverse nation, can spout support for altright groups, can lie constantly and still come out on top because he has a message that resonates with his voting base. Bernie is pretty similar to Trump in that respect except he is on the other side of the coin. What his fucking wife did or didn't do mean shit anymore. Not in this current environment anyway. Our current president pretty much nullified all argument against having bad character, judgment, dumb, racist, crook, vulgar, narcissist, sexist....etc.... etc....etc....etc...

This is true only if the standart would be the same on both side, which isn't. Somehow republican votors seen to expect less from their candidate as long as they have some basic repuclican position.

While on the democrate side, the DNC smear machine have proven its ruthlesssness against progresive time and time again, fighting them even more strongly than the Republican.

[Eisdrache]

Additionally I'd argue that 'they did something bad so I can do it too' isn't a life goal you should be striving for.

[Archon_Wing]

We've done a good job electing Trump. It means we don't need standards

[ganbaru]

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

We've done a good job electing Trump. It means we don't need standards

Did you even thought of the other way, than Trump may have been elected thank to a lack of standards?

[monir]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

This is true only if the standart would be the same on both side, which isn't. Somehow republican votors seen to expect less from their candidate as long as they have some basic repuclican position.

Border control and the desire to curtail illegal immigration were the biggest reason behind his surge in popularity in the midst of that crowded GOP candidate which eventually lead to his winning the presidency. Those two issues were not solely Republican position. Democrats equally had the same concerns which are well documented. The illegal immigration came into forefront when recession and offshoring on top exacerbated the already dwindling labor market. The GOP voting base expect less because most of their candidates walk back on a lot of their promises during a campaign. Those promises also used to deal with particular social views that had very little to do with economy. After the recession those types of things mattered less and less (nationally anyway...) and eventually a candidate like Trump caught up to the change in heart the GOP voter-base were undertaking that social views mean nothing if one is unable to even take care of his own family financially. Hence, illegal immigration gets the highlight over and over in a simple message like "build the wall" and resonates with people in those states that are doing so poorly economically.

While on the democrate side, the DNC smear machine have proven its ruthlesssness against progresive time and time again, fighting them even more strongly than the Republican.

I agree with you on that...

Bernie's real test comes from his own party. Despite such obstacle, if he still manages to come out on top in the primary then I think GOP won't have as much success at maligning Bernie just because their candidate is Trump.

[Jaden]

All I can say is good luck, for now. The DNC still has a lot of power in who it chooses to coronate, and whoever that is will very likely be president in my estimation.

[Xellos-_^]

why is it a smear asking Bernie to release his tax returns and questions about his wife fraudulent loan application which bankrupt a college?


Also asking why Bernie hasn't condemn Maduro is not smearing.

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by ganbaru

Did you even thought of the other way, than Trump may have been elected thank to a lack of standards?

Probably, but he managed to lower the bar.

[Sugetsu]

To be clear, corporate media is against any progressive candidate. This post is an attempt at demonstrating the strong bias against progressive voices.

If you think Bernie has had a hard time against the establishment, such as when a CNN's town hall picked lobbyists masked as "normal" people to ask him smear questions, then Tulsi Gabbard is going through hell when compared to Bernie.

For those that don't follow politics closely, Tulsi Gabbard is running for president. She quit her high ranking DNC member position in 2016 when she discovered that the democrats were rigging the game against Bernie Sanders. Her central campaign message is "Aloha" (aka love) (aka she is very firmly against interventionists wars), and the establishment literally hates her for it. You can see clear examples of the media's contempt when so called "liberal" tv hosts and new anchors use right wing talking points in order to try to undermine her foreign policy positions. Here are two clear examples in case you guys didn't know:

Morning Joe:

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https://youtu.be/Sv6w46mK6G0

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The view:

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https://youtu.be/8w1zf3YyXRI

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The funny thing is that Tulsi checks all the gender politics boxes the DNC and corporate media keep peddling:
- She is young (37 years old),
- She is a woman.
- She is a woman of color.
- She is good looking.
- She is diverse (first American Indian to run for president)
- She is a veteran who was deployed twice to Iraq.
By all accounts she should be darling of the DNC, but since she is a very skillful and articulate debater the media has resorted to do the same thing they did to Bernie in 2016; a media blackout. They have even made it harder for her to qualify to go on the debate stage, by demanding 65000 individual donors to her candidacy: https://twitter.com/tulsigabbard/sta...604034?lang=en

Then there was Richard Ojeda, (https://voteojeda.com/) who also had very progressive views, and managed to do really well as a democrat in West Virginia against a pro trump congressman during the mid term elections. I had high hopes for this guy, but unfortunately, he quit the race, after he realized that he was getting near zero coverage from the press:

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https://youtu.be/Fmm55K5KIYI

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Personally, I have always cheered for Bernie, but I must admit that I really like Tulsi Gabbard as a presidential candidate. It is my hope that these two candidates join forces in the upcoming elections.

[Jaden]

She sounds awesome. The only fault with Gabbard that I can see is her good manners, the calm with which she is deflecting those TV brainlets.

If she went on epic rants about the fake news media like Trump, I bet she'd be more popular.

That goes for Bernie, too.