Bleach Q&A

[T3rmina]

Originally Posted by EoT

There is:
#1 Shihouin
#2 Kuchiki
#3 Shiba (former)
#4 Ōmaeda ( Marechiyo Ōmaeda received his position as lieutenant because of his family's connections, possibly hinting that his family is one of the said four)

kubo said himslef that shiba was a clan when there were 5 noble houses (its in an interview in this forum somewhere). its hinted that the family that jidanbou comes from is noble, and are always given the job of mantaining the gate, but this is unconfirmed.

so its
shihouin
kuchiki
Omaeda, jidanbous family (both unconfirmed)
maybe one or two unknown houses.

hope this clears anything up.

[Amirali]

Originally Posted by BleachOD

Tres Cifas (3-digit Arrancar) 100-up are "First Generation Arrancar" They were not created with the Hougyoku and instead evolved naturally.

I recall that they weren't created with the Hogyokou, certainly (as Dordonni said). But could Aizen have created them by other means? Is it confirmed they evolved without his aid? This comes up every few weeks...

This question comes up regularly, and it always confuses me. Does a factual answer exist? If not, I apologize for bringing it to this thread.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by amirali1985

I recall that they weren't created with the Hogyokou, certainly (as Dordonni said). But could Aizen have created them by other means? Is it confirmed they evolved without his aid? This comes up every few weeks...

This question comes up regularly, and it always confuses me. Does a factual answer exist? If not, I apologize for bringing it to this thread.

The manga showed GF haveing his mask removed after his fight with Ichigo by Iceringer while a D-roy looked down on them. Both D-roy and the unmasked GF looked more hollowish then they would later in the seires. So yes it looks as though Azien was not needed to create Arrancar but he did help in improveing them.

[Zu Ra]

ArroNiero

Spoiler for Manga:

Was a first generation espada according to Zomari . And when he died he was blaming Aizen , so it pretty obvious he was created by Aizen . So I can say all the ESPADA were created by Aizen from Nel to Noi .

And yes the timeline doesnt make sense

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by Geta Boshi

ArroNiero

Spoiler for Manga:

Was a first generation espada according to Zomari . And when he died he was blaming Aizen , so it pretty obvious he was created by Aizen . So I can say all the ESPADA were created by Aizen from Nel to Noi .

And yes the timeline doesnt make sense

ArroNiero

Spoiler for Manga:

Only Metastacia was created Aizen he died and was consumed. The hollow that consumed him was a first generation. First generation by definition are created naturally. He can't be first and second generation. So I would say ALL ESPADA except ArroNiero were created by Aizen.

[WONDERMIKE]

Originally Posted by BleachOD

ArroNiero

Spoiler for Manga:

Only Metastacia was created Aizen he died and was consumed. The hollow that consumed him was a first generation. First generation by definition are created naturally. He can't be first and second generation. So I would say ALL ESPADA except ArroNiero were created by Aizen.

Spoiler for manga:

but we have seen two different versions/stages of Noitorra, that could mean he was an natural arrancar and got hougyokusized after his first arrancarisation too bad it was never mentioned how and why Noi's look and zapnaktou changed

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by WONDERMIKE

Spoiler for manga:

but we have seen two different versions/stages of Noitorra, that could mean he was an natural arrancar and got hougyokusized after his first arrancarisation too bad it was never mentioned how and why Noi's look and zapnaktou changed

Spoiler for Answer:

What two versions? To me his hair is just shorter...he is actually cuter and his outfit is a little different. but other that that he's the same. Besides Last of...Means last of Only # 9 was said to be first and the others are dead. So Noi is a second generation arrancar...Espada via Hougyoku. Didn't he say Aizen gave him power, when talking to Nel?

[X_Danny_X]

yo, when is the next chapter of bleach coming out? i have been waiting for ages for it and nothing so far.

[EoT]

Once a week. Spoilers usually come out on Tues/Wed US time.

[bbduece]

where is yoruichi right now?

[kayote]

when in the manga does it say that Yoruichi & Kisuke escaped together. or that she helped him get away from SS after the creating the Hōgyoku?

[EoT]

Originally Posted by bbduece

where is yoruichi right now?

In the anime or manga?

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by kayote

when in the manga does it say that Yoruichi & Kisuke escaped together. or that she helped him get away from SS after the creating the Hōgyoku?

It doesn't.

Spoiler for For current Manga events:

We are just learning the Gotei 13's history. Character relationships. We did not get to the creation of the Hougyoku (yet).. It is speculated that Mayuri had a hand in it.

[kagato3]

Originally Posted by BleachOD

Spoiler for Answer:

What two versions? To me his hair is just shorter...he is actually cuter and his outfit is a little different. but other that that he's the same. Besides Last of...Means last of Only # 9 was said to be first and the others are dead. So Noi is a second generation arrancar...Espada via Hougyoku. Didn't he say Aizen gave him power, when talking to Nel?

Spoiler for manga:

His weapon in all the flash backs only has one cresent moon blade not his current 2. #103 said that once Azein had the orb he and the other 3 digits became obsolete with his new orb made Espade, but both Noi and ZAG were espada way before Azein got the orb and their old outlines are shown durring 103's flash back meaning that he was part of that group. So it seems Azein upgraded the Espada when he got the orb just like it seems he did to GF.

Originally Posted by Geta Boshi

ArroNiero

Spoiler for Manga:

Was a first generation espada according to Zomari . And when he died he was blaming Aizen , so it pretty obvious he was created by Aizen . So I can say all the ESPADA were created by Aizen from Nel to Noi .

And yes the timeline doesnt make sense

He died curseing Azien because he was told that by joining Azein, Azien would take away his pain and that Azein had lied to him. A case can be made that Azein did remove his pain just not the way ArroNiero wanted as it involed a lot more pain and then nothing.

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by kagato3

Spoiler for manga:

His weapon in all the flash backs only has one cresent moon blade not his current 2. #103 said that once Azein had the orb he and the other 3 digits became obsolete with his new orb made Espade, but both Noi and ZAG were espada way before Azein got the orb and their old outlines are shown durring 103's flash back meaning that he was part of that group. So it seems Azein upgraded the Espada when he got the orb just like it seems he did to GF.

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Spoiler for Er..No.:

He was already an Arrancar. The orb endows them with Shinigami powers by removing part of their mask. He was not a regular Hollow in those flashbacks.
He may have evolved naturally but he'd still be an Arrancar a blend of the two.. That would make him a" First Generation". Even if he were given extra powers by them. He'd just be a " First Generation" who got a power boost from the orb and a 2-digit number.
(That one moon could be considered the equivalent of a shikai. The two moons. Bankai. They can use Kidou so that isn't inconceivable )
if what you say is true...Don looked stronger than Noi. Why didn't Aizen upgrade him or Cirruchi?
Dordonini said Aizen preferred the ones he created himself.
And last of means NO MORE, NADA, FINITE!.

Noi couldn't be a "First Generation" because then...Arroniero wouldn't have been the last one. And Noi wasn't dead yet.. and so again.....Arroniero couldn't have been the last one. (Nel could be one...because she could be presumed dead, But I doubt it.) But Noi is not.

All Espada with a # from 1-10, barring #9 were created by Aizen


Another thing. We don't know when that happened. Or how time flows. The timeline doesn't make sense. They were looking for VL at Aizen's command. Who says he didn't already have it at that time? And like I said... They were already Arrancar then and we don't know if that were months or weeks or years. Until we get HM watches in our happy meals. We can't say for sure how long ago that was.

[lequory]

OD has good points but....

Spoiler for manga:

HE WAS AN ARRANCAR in the flashback and his ZANPAKTOU had one crescent moon. We know that Arrancars dont have shikai or bankai. We could consider the reverting back equal to a bankai but no one ever calls it that. So I'm going by the theory that Aizen recreated him...giving Noi "This power" and the whole Aaronerio being the last one has obviously got to be referring to the fact that Aizen didnt make him/recreate him. Theres absolutely no other way to explain Noi's Zanpaktou.

[WONDERMIKE]

Originally Posted by lequory

Spoiler for manga:

HE WAS AN ARRANCAR in the flashback and his ZANPAKTOU had one crescent moon. We know that Arrancars dont have shikai or bankai. We could consider the reverting back equal to a bankai but no one ever calls it that. So I'm going by the theory that Aizen recreated him...giving Noi "This power" and the whole Aaronerio being the last one has obviously got to be referring to the fact that Aizen didnt make him/recreate him. Theres absolutely no other way to explain Noi's Zanpaktou.

you might spoil that one, but that's exactly what I am thinking. The 9th Espada could still be the last one from 1st gen, why shouldn't the Espada change like for example the Gotei 13? There could have been more then just 1st and 2nd gen Espadas

[Zu Ra]

We should take this Espada discussion to another thread as Q&A is not appropriate thread

[Amirali]

Ah, sorry people........I started all this by asking, in the hope that there was a clear-cut answer to exactly which espada were created by Aizen and/or Hogyokou. Since it seems that there's no absolutely factual answer I'll fall back on discussion in threads.

[BleachOD]

Originally Posted by Geta Boshi

We should take this Espada discussion to another thread as Q&A is not appropriate thread

Spoiler for My bad...But they are giving out false information not facts:

I did too...Only bit on the bankai/shikai

@Mike & L

even if it were more than one ...FIRST IS FIRST. LAST OF MEANS LAST OF. Why is that so friggin hard to understand. Arrancar have have both Shinigami (And some of their humanity) and Hollow powers. their release is like a Shikai. Only difference is they combine. Zomari used kidou based abilities. What makes you think they can't have a bankai? Yeah he had one moon. He could have powered up. But he was still and arrancar (Not a Bug) created by Aizen same as Grimjow. First Generation by definition are created naturally.

Again...All the Espada barring #9 were created by Aizen

But where would this discussion be appropriate?