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Endscape · 2010-08-02, 09:19

If we're talking about expies of F/SN characters, here's someone who is thought to be based off of Saber.

Spoiler for Sylvia Van Hossen:

I like to imagine that's what Saber would look like if she looked her actual age.

DragoZERO · 2010-08-02, 13:13

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Originally Posted by Endscape

If we're talking about expies of F/SN characters, here's someone who is thought to be based off of Saber.

Spoiler for Sylvia Van Hossen:

I like to imagine that's what Saber would look like if she looked her actual age.

Yeah, they totally had Saber in mind when they came up with her character.

And what is expy short for?

Moczo · 2010-08-02, 16:58

According to TV Tropes, expy is short for 'exported character'.

Moczo · 2010-08-03, 07:38

I was extremely bored and over-sugared, so I came up with this!

Spoiler for Heroic Spirit Hayate!:

Just consider the Butler class to be a very rare, special class. Similar to Avenger, only instead of appearing only as an Anti-hero, it only appears when the Holy Grail is extremely untidy.

DragoZERO · 2010-08-03, 12:19

That is so....

...funny. You just made my day.

aldw · 2010-08-03, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Moczo

I was extremely bored and over-sugared, so I came up with this!

Spoiler for Heroic Spirit Hayate!:

Just consider the Butler class to be a very rare, special class. Similar to Avenger, only instead of appearing only as an Anti-hero, it only appears when the Holy Grail is extremely untidy.

Substitute A-tan for Nagi, and all of Hayate's stats will jump...

Moczo · 2010-08-04, 07:32

Okay, I've finally finished the Fate route with the Realta Nua patch installed and seen all the new CG's! Now, how to put this... they all look good, of course, but I'm forced to wonder if maybe somebody was not quite thinking clearly when they decided what pictures to attach to which scenes.

Spoiler for Realta Nua CG Thoughts.:

Well, on to UBW... after a week off. I can only read Nasu's rambling, wordy writing style for so long without taking a break. "And so you have X... no, more accurately you could say that X is Y but also Z. And if X is X, then its nature is similar to that of YZ. That's just the way XYZ is."

Cherry_Lover · 2010-08-04, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Moczo

Spoiler for Realta Nua CG Thoughts.:

You know, I think this (and, of course, Last Episode, which is just pure fanservice) says all you need to know about whose fans Realta Nua was aimed at, and whose fans Nasu decided were too few in number to give a shit about....

DragoZERO · 2010-08-04, 08:32

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Originally Posted by Moczo

Well, on to UBW... after a week off. I can only read Nasu's rambling, wordy writing style for so long without taking a break. "And so you have X... no, more accurately you could say that X is Y but also Z. And if X is X, then its nature is similar to that of YZ. That's just the way XYZ is."

He really does write like that. It really was good in the beginning, but after a while it's just too much.

I might have to replay with the patch sooner than I thought, lol.

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You know, I think this (and, of course, Last Episode, which is just pure fanservice) says all you need to know about whose fans Realta Nua was aimed at, and whose fans Nasu decided were too few in number to give a shit about....

Let me get out my Sakura violin.

Moczo · 2010-08-04, 09:00

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Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

You know, I think this (and, of course, Last Episode, which is just pure fanservice) says all you need to know about whose fans Realta Nua was aimed at, and whose fans Nasu decided were too few in number to give a shit about....

Well, I guess it's hard to blame the guy for knowing his audience. Most character polls (even the ones on our own forums, I notice), Saber tends to take first place while Sakura is typically somewhere in the middle of the pack.

She can take a little joy in that her route had better images overall. It's just that she wasn't in any of them

. Still, all the really good ones were of Shirou, so she should at least enjoy the view...

Heeeeey... come to think of it, all the best ones in Fate were of Shirou too! Now I'm starting to wonder whose fans Realta Nua was really aimed at.

EDIT: Looking back, Sakura got slightly more pictures than I thought... but still not very good news for her fans, I'm afraid. See, it's one of those ones where there's five in a row, but they're all the same picture with only her facial expression changing...

willyvereb · 2010-08-04, 14:26

Hollow Ataraxia does more justice to Sakura, I say. Although I had no chance to actually see it but from the CGs and spoilers I think that's the case. Perhaps the same for Rider if not even more.

As for Realta Nua I think it did a fair job. Not the best but the extra CGs and the voice acting make the game even more enjoyable. For example the voice acting do quite nice work for Sakura. Her fight with Rin is the best example. If you're too lazy to get to that scene it's still up on youtube.

DragoZERO · 2010-08-04, 15:09

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Originally Posted by Moczo

EDIT: Looking back, Sakura got slightly more pictures than I thought... but still not very good news for her fans, I'm afraid. See, it's one of those ones where there's five in a row, but they're all the same picture with only her facial expression changing...

I hate those. HF really did have a lot of them too. Did we really need two pictures of Shinji dead on her bed? I don't think so. Although, I did half-enjoy that scene.

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Originally Posted by willyvereb

Hollow Ataraxia does more justice to Sakura, I say. Although I had no chance to actually see it but from the CGs and spoilers I think that's the case. Perhaps the same for Rider if not even more.

As for Realta Nua I think it did a fair job. Not the best but the extra CGs and the voice acting make the game even more enjoyable. For example the voice acting do quite nice work for Sakura. Her fight with Rin is the best example. If you're too lazy to get to that scene it's still up on youtube.

HA really is made for the fans. They came up with a wacky story to be able to pin all of the characters in real life and throw in new H scenes too.

I only played with the voices, so I don't know what it was like without. But I know that it would not be the same. The great voice acting really adds a lot. And the actoring are great in the game since they had practice in the anime first, lol.

Cherry_Lover · 2010-08-04, 15:18

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Although, I did half-enjoy that scene.

Only half?

That's because Sakura goes batshit insane as a result, right? Because that's the only thing I can think of that could possibly detract from the enjoyment of seeing Sakura splatter Shinji's brains all over the bed as he tries to rape her....

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HA really is made for the fans. They came up with a wacky story to be able to pin all of the characters in real life and throw in new H scenes too.

Yeah, HA is specifically described as a 'fandisk'. It's still useful for seeing how some of the characters would act in normal life, though, especially the servants and Sakura (who, by virtue of being free of Zouken, is far happier and more confident, and much more like her 'true' self).

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I only played with the voices, so I don't know what it was like without. But I know that it would not be the same. The great voice acting really adds a lot. And the actoring are great in the game since they had practice in the anime first, lol.

Yeah, definitely. I've only played it with the voices, and whilst there are some times they can maybe get a little annoying, in the vast majority of the scenes they just add so much, especially the emotional scenes. There are so many scenes of HF where hearing Sakura's VA and the emotions behind her words make it so much more poingant than it would be with just the text.

DragoZERO · 2010-08-04, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Cherry_Lover

Only half?

That's because Sakura goes batshit insane as a result, right? Because that's the only thing I can think of that could possibly detract from the enjoyment of seeing Sakura splatter Shinji's brains all over the bed as he tries to rape her....

Yes, that would be why. Oh, and he deserved a more slow and painful death, along with his grandfather.

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Yeah, HA is specifically described as a 'fandisk'. It's still useful for seeing how some of the characters would act in normal life, though, especially the servants and Sakura (who, by virtue of being free of Zouken, is far happier and more confident, and much more like her 'true' self).

Yes, seeing Lancer fishing is really laugh out loud funny. And of course Rider is, well...yeah.

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Yeah, definitely. I've only played it with the voices, and whilst there are some times they can maybe get a little annoying, in the vast majority of the scenes they just add so much, especially the emotional scenes. There are so many scenes of HF where hearing Sakura's VA and the emotions behind her words make it so much more poingant than it would be with just the text.

And they chose such a perfect voice actress for her too. Such a sweet voice. The first time you meet her character you just know she is a sweetheart.

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Haak · 2010-08-11, 06:46

Well, I finally started playing the game 3 days ago...and...just finished the excruciatingly long prologue. It's my first time playing a visual novel and so far it I'm not really enjoying it. Well, I have to admit that Archers fight with Lancer seemed epic, but mostly because of the music and I've seen a lot of kung fu flicks so my imagination creates the most awesome fight scene in my head. Tohsaka going off a tangent didn't help, though. And they all talk really slowly, and have the most long winded conversations ever. Okay, Tohsaka is competitive. I get it.

Moczo · 2010-08-11, 07:24

Unfortunately, the long-windedness never gets better. That's just how Nasu writes... the Tsukihime VN, the Kara No Kyoukai novels, even Notes are all the same way. You will have to take some solace in the fact that Archer and Lancer's prologue fight is possibly the least epic in the game.

DragoZERO · 2010-08-11, 11:55

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Originally Posted by Haak

Well, I finally started playing the game 3 days ago...and...just finished the excruciatingly long prologue. It's my first time playing a visual novel and so far it I'm not really enjoying it. Well, I have to admit that Archers fight with Lancer seemed epic, but mostly because of the music and I've seen a lot of kung fu flicks so my imagination creates the most awesome fight scene in my head. Tohsaka going off a tangent didn't help, though. And they all talk really slowly, and have the most long winded conversations ever. Okay, Tohsaka is competitive. I get it.

Yeah, I thought the same thing. But you'll find the details to be good later on because you'll be all "wtf?" about some stuff.

As for the speed, it goes as fast you read. I didn't wait for them to finish talking to go on most of the time. But the voices will add a lot as you play. Push through and keep going if you can.

And don't browse this topic too much, you don't want to get spoiled. There are some really good twists and turns in this game.

Haak · 2010-08-11, 12:04

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Originally Posted by DragoZERO

As for the speed, it goes as fast you read. I didn't wait for them to finish talking to go on most of the time. But the voices will add a lot as you play. Push through and keep going if you can.

Yeah, that's what I'm doing now. And don't worry, I'm not looking at any of the posts here so I won't get spoiled.

Well I've done Day 1 and I still haven't got past episode two. Seeing Tohsaka's "wtf" face was hilarious though.

Moczo · 2010-08-11, 12:09

Tohsaka is the heroine who most consistently made me smile. Even just her facial expressions are naturally funny. Tsunderes are awesome.

Haak · 2010-08-11, 12:11

To be honest I just want to start reading Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel. Is it really worth reading the Fate route or do you reckon I could just go skip happy without much consequence?

[edit]

"When I asked him why he hit her, he said that he just hit her because he felt like it. After that I got pissed and did to Shinji what he did to Sakura. Since then we've been estranged. I still don't regret punching him."

Hmmmm...maybe it is worth reading the Fate route....

2010-08-02, 09:19	Link #2381
Endscape The Mage of Four Hearts Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Age: 33	If we're talking about expies of F/SN characters, here's someone who is thought to be based off of Saber. Spoiler for Sylvia Van Hossen: I like to imagine that's what Saber would look like if she looked her actual age. __________________ Illusion, illusion, this is illusion. It cannot harm me.

2010-08-02, 16:58	Link #2383
Moczo "Hey, Isaac?" Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pennsylvania. It's sort of like a real state. Age: 39	According to TV Tropes, expy is short for 'exported character'. Last edited by Moczo; 2010-08-03 at 07:38.

2010-08-03, 07:38	Link #2384
Moczo "Hey, Isaac?" Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pennsylvania. It's sort of like a real state. Age: 39	I was extremely bored and over-sugared, so I came up with this! Spoiler for Heroic Spirit Hayate!: Servant Butler Master: Nagi Sanzenin True Name: Hayate Ayasaki Sex: Male Abilities: Strength: B Endurance: A Agility: B Magical Energy: E Luck: E--- Skills: To My Side: Personal movement against great odds. When his master calls, Hayate can reach her side far more quickly than his personal abilities should allow, and overcome nearly any obstacle he finds. Charisma (Specialized), Rank A: Natural talent to inspire loyalty and affection. His is specialized for women, leaving him able to easily attract a wide variety of girls with no effort at all. The coveted ‘Unwanted Harem’ power that men have long dreamed of. Obliviousness, Rank A: The ability to not notice that a girl is interested in him and assume some other explanation for her constant blushing and stammering in his presence. Does not mesh well with the above skill. Cleaning, Rank A+: The ability to clean and maintain a home. At this rank, even a massive manor home filled with delicate adornments can be kept spotless. Universal Chewtoy, Rank A: The ability to attract misfortune just because it would be funny. An A-rank indicates that the possessor is a cosmic plaything of the first degree, constantly plagued with increasingly ridiculous bad luck. Noble Phantasms: I Will Defend Ojou-sama (A Butler Must Serve his Mistress) : Rank EX Type: Support Target: Self The fullest extent of Hayate’s skills as a butler, brought forth when fighting in defense of others. When his Master is endangered, all of Hayate’s Abilities will increase to A+ rank, rendering him nigh-unstoppable. This effect will last as long as Nagi is in need of his protection, ironically meaning that the best tactic for defeating him is to make sure that his Master is completely safe at all times. Hayate No Gotoku (All First-class Butlers Have a Finishing Move) Rank B Type: Anti-Army Noble Phantasm Range: 5-40 Maximum Target: 20 People or 1 Giant Robot The super-secret ultimate finishing move of a first-class butler. Using powerful kicks to create a shockwave, this technique can strike down large groups or foes or pierce the armor of even the strongest and most pointlessly giant of berserk robots. The winds made by this technique will lift the skirts of any girls nearby, so it's use can be dangerous to the unwary. Those who seek to master this technique and keep their lives must be cautious indeed. Just consider the Butler class to be a very rare, special class. Similar to Avenger, only instead of appearing only as an Anti-hero, it only appears when the Holy Grail is extremely untidy.

2010-08-03, 12:19	Link #2385
DragoZERO Spoilaphobic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Age: 37	That is so.... ...funny. You just made my day. __________________ • Anime List \| Manga List \| Manga Thread Template •

2010-08-04, 07:32	Link #2387
Moczo "Hey, Isaac?" Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pennsylvania. It's sort of like a real state. Age: 39	Okay, I've finally finished the Fate route with the Realta Nua patch installed and seen all the new CG's! Now, how to put this... they all look good, of course, but I'm forced to wonder if maybe somebody was not quite thinking clearly when they decided what pictures to attach to which scenes. Spoiler for Realta Nua CG Thoughts.: I mean, don't get me wrong; Saber and Illya bonding over lunch in the dojo was a very cute scene, and I have nothing against a CG of it. Indeed, the moe was overwhelming. However, I could probably have survived without five CGs of it, each one identical to the last save for different facial expressions on the girls. In contrast, Saber's battle with Assassin at Ryudou temple only got one (admittedly badass) image attached to it. That seems... backwards to me. Give me one image of Saber wiping rice off Illya's face, and five of Saber duelling a master swordsman, please. Maybe they're saving it for UBW, though I'm starting to dread that I'll be getting ten images of Rin making tea or something. Admittedly, the patch did make it up near the end, with the two-on-two Saber/Shirou vs. Gilgamesh/Kotomine duel getting several to make Shirou's end of the battle look almost as awesome as Saber's. Almost. I also ran through Heaven's Feel, skipping over everything to get the images, since I didn't feel like being utterly depressed for three days. It's exactly the opposite, amusingly enough. There's about the same number of new images, maybe a few more, but while roughly half of Fate's were just Saber's everyday life I think only one of HF's even has Sakura in it. The lion's share go to Shirou vs. Dark Berserker (HOLY CRAP, THIS IS EPIC BEYOND ALL WORDS) and Shirou vs. Kotomine (Less 'epic', more 'badass but in a disturbing way'. We actually get to see 'swords growing out of his body' Shirou, and it manages to be both creepy and freakin' awesome simultaneously). Well, on to UBW... after a week off. I can only read Nasu's rambling, wordy writing style for so long without taking a break. "And so you have X... no, more accurately you could say that X is Y but also Z. And if X is X, then its nature is similar to that of YZ. That's just the way XYZ is."

2010-08-04, 14:26	Link #2391
willyvereb Mad Scientist #0000 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Hungry Age: 35	Hollow Ataraxia does more justice to Sakura, I say. Although I had no chance to actually see it but from the CGs and spoilers I think that's the case. Perhaps the same for Rider if not even more. As for Realta Nua I think it did a fair job. Not the best but the extra CGs and the voice acting make the game even more enjoyable. For example the voice acting do quite nice work for Sakura. Her fight with Rin is the best example. If you're too lazy to get to that scene it's still up on youtube.

2010-08-11, 06:46	Link #2395
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	Well, I finally started playing the game 3 days ago...and...just finished the excruciatingly long prologue. It's my first time playing a visual novel and so far it I'm not really enjoying it. Well, I have to admit that Archers fight with Lancer seemed epic, but mostly because of the music and I've seen a lot of kung fu flicks so my imagination creates the most awesome fight scene in my head. Tohsaka going off a tangent didn't help, though. And they all talk really slowly, and have the most long winded conversations ever. Okay, Tohsaka is competitive. I get it. __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners

2010-08-11, 07:24	Link #2396
Moczo "Hey, Isaac?" Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pennsylvania. It's sort of like a real state. Age: 39	Unfortunately, the long-windedness never gets better. That's just how Nasu writes... the Tsukihime VN, the Kara No Kyoukai novels, even Notes are all the same way. You will have to take some solace in the fact that Archer and Lancer's prologue fight is possibly the least epic in the game. Last edited by Moczo; 2010-08-11 at 10:05.

2010-08-11, 12:09	Link #2399
Moczo "Hey, Isaac?" Author Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pennsylvania. It's sort of like a real state. Age: 39	Tohsaka is the heroine who most consistently made me smile. Even just her facial expressions are naturally funny. Tsunderes are awesome.

2010-08-11, 12:11	Link #2400
Haak Me, An Intellectual Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Age: 33	To be honest I just want to start reading Unlimited Blade Works and Heaven's Feel. Is it really worth reading the Fate route or do you reckon I could just go skip happy without much consequence? [edit] "When I asked him why he hit her, he said that he just hit her because he felt like it. After that I got pissed and did to Shinji what he did to Sakura. Since then we've been estranged. I still don't regret punching him." Hmmmm...maybe it is worth reading the Fate route.... __________________ MAL \| AnimeSuki Choice Awards 2020 Winners Last edited by Haak; 2010-08-11 at 12:29.