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Afternoon Tea · 2011-12-29, 00:48

Kira from Death Note

Kallen4life · 2012-01-02, 13:46

1) - Palpatine all the way
- Ledger's Joker and The Killing Joke's Joker .. probably DCAU & AA/Arkham City too
- Blackbeard aka Marshall D. Teach from One Piece .. also Akainu (Sakazuki) .. and Crocodile
- my personal favorite is Wrath from FMA manga/2-nd anime
- Hazama Terumi from BlazBlue Continuum Shift
- Lex Luthor, Dr. Doom, Norman Osborn - sometimes

Irenicus · 2012-01-02, 15:59

Maybe I'm just a new generation, or I don't appreciate true evil, but Palpatine never strikes me as in any way interesting.

He's like, boring, even after the prequel "Palpatine = evil politician" insert (it's a Bush-era thing). Vader is infinitely more iconic and more important to the franchise's legacy by far.

Ithekro · 2012-01-02, 16:20

Nixon, actually. (recall that he was Lucas' inspiration for Palpatine...and that The Phanton Menace came out in 1999, and that Attack of the Clones was filmed mostly in 2000. Both before Bush became President.)

Endless Soul · 2012-01-02, 17:08

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Originally Posted by Ithekro

Nixon, actually. (recall that he was Lucas' inspiration for Palpatine...and that The Phanton Menace came out in 1999, and that Attack of the Clones was filmed mostly in 2000. Both before Bush became President.)

It's true. Palpatine was even mentioned in the first few paragraphs of the ANH book, which was released in 1976. Palpatine has been created and fleshed out a bit long before the Bush/Cheney era.

Endless "Imperator" Soul

Irenicus · 2012-01-02, 17:53

Well, there's just another evidence I'm really never going to get Palpatine then.

But seriously he's just a caricature of the villain politician, just with Sith-dark cloak, frog-like wrinkles (evil is ugly, sigh), and lighting force-thing. I'd argue that a far more disturbing "villainous" politician figure in literature would be someone like that Huey Long expy from All the King's Men, men who are too close to our own greed and ambition for comfort.

On the other hand, a far more charismatic (and funnier) "is he a villain or is he not?" politician figure would be Discworld's glorious Patrician, Vetinari.

Dhomochevsky · 2012-01-02, 17:59

Palpatine is a villian, that uses the systems own instruments against it, to gain power.
Unlike Vader, who uses black magic of some sort.
So while one may be more intimidating with his magics, mask and evil breathing, the other is more scary as a concept, because he represents an actual threat you face in real life.

Endless Soul · 2012-01-02, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Dhomochevsky

So while one may be more intimidating with his magics, mask and evil breathing, the other is more scary as a concept, because he represents an actual threat you face in real life.

One that is very hard to detect, or pick out of a crowd as well.

RandySyler · 2012-01-02, 22:21

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Originally Posted by Endless Soul

One that is very hard to detect, or pick out of a crowd as well.

What? Of course you couldn't pick out Vader in a crowd. That guy's so discreet!

Randy "I'm copying Endless Soul!" Syler

Magin · 2012-01-02, 22:21

... I might as well mention Pegasus from the Original Yu-Gi-Oh series... actually, Marik as a villain was quite good, but he more classifies under the "could've been great" category

RandySyler · 2012-01-02, 22:23

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Originally Posted by Magin

... I might as well mention Pegasus from the Original Yu-Gi-Oh series... actually, Marik as a villain was quite good, but he more classifies under the "could've been great" category

I like the Abridged Series versions of both much better...

Puddingman · 2012-01-02, 22:34

Sandra from Legend of Mana anybody?

Kind of a typical motivation, but cool cause it was just a different perspective, not necessarily a "bad" perspective. Has a cool disguise, and a nice re-occurance rate to be considered legendary.

Amorok · 2012-01-02, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Magin

... I might as well mention Pegasus from the Original Yu-Gi-Oh series... actually, Marik as a villain was quite good, but he more classifies under the "could've been great" category

HAH. I'm SO glad you brought him up, because I've always found Pegasus to be a very intriguing character, despite his inherent ridiculousness. The best villains are the ones that have FUN doing what they do, after all xD

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2012-01-02, 23:35

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Originally Posted by Magin

... I might as well mention Pegasus from the Original Yu-Gi-Oh series... actually, Marik as a villain was quite good, but he more classifies under the "could've been great" category

Actually, I found Pegasus severely lacking. Still, to be honest, most of Yu-Gi-Oh! enemies aren’t that much memorable compared to other iconic and great villains out there (and this comes from longtime Yu-Gi-Oh! manga fan). Yup, most of them are in the categories of ‘could’ve been great’. Still, there’s is one enemy that pretty much reached ‘great’ level. It’s Malik Ishtar. He’s cool and both of his personalities are totally kick-ass. Malik Ishtar himself is smart and devious. He has strong and reasonable motivation. He felt depressed and enraged since he’s been locked in a dark dungeon since his birth and expected to stay like that till the end of his life. He’s also forced to endure some great pains just to protect a 10 millenium-old tomb. As a youngster, who wouldn’t be pissed? Thus, his split personality (Yami Malik) is pretty much a given even without the power of Millenium Rod. This Yami Malik is really a good villainous character. His sadists and sado/masochist nature definitely pose a real threat in Yu-Gi-Oh! as his action is pretty much unpredictable. Not to mention that he’s capable of murdering people with his bare hands, not just through some ‘game of darkness penalty’. The only gripe I have for him is that he pretty much beg for Malik Ishtar’s mercy in the end to save his own ass (turns out he’s a little coward too). Oh, and his clothes too. I mean, a black shirt and a cape? Really? So he actually changes clothes whenever he became Yami Malik? At leat Yugi’s school-uniform cape is practical, since all he has to do is take his uniform off a little. It’s just a pet-peeve of mine

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Pegasus is good but his goal is quite ridiculous. Resurrecting his dead lover through advanced hologram device? Gimme a break, no matter how good the hologram is, it’s only an image, it won’t return her soul even with the help of millenium items.

As for Yami Bakura, he’s cool but his motivation is pretty lacking. He’s just a greedy tomb-raider who want to be the king and avenge the young pharaoh who sealed him, and that’s it. It’s his methods of revenge that keep me interested in him.

As for Kaiba, he’s a good character but he’s more of a rival figure, not exactly a villain.

Don’t even mention the traitorous priest and Zork in the ancient-Egypt arc. They’re as cliche’d as they can be.

kakakka · 2012-01-02, 23:44

Kaiba was quite a villain before the mind break.

RandySyler · 2012-01-02, 23:46

Sorry guys, but I really can't take your posts seriously. All I get is the little kuriboh voices of the characters you're talking about in my head.

Ithekro · 2012-01-03, 00:00

Wouldn't that make the Penguin of 4kids the most evil to you then?

Amorok · 2012-01-03, 00:09

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Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Pegasus is good but his goal is quite ridiculous. Resurrecting his dead lover through advanced hologram device? Gimme a break, no matter how good the hologram is, it’s only an image, it won’t return her soul even with the help of millenium items.

He's thoroughly insane, don't get me wrong. But he's insane in a way that's less NYAAHAHA-let's-destroy-the-world-for-no-reason and more NYAAHAHA-I'm-slightly-redeemable-huh!

Magin · 2012-01-03, 02:50

The thing about Pegasus is that he was a(n) (over)confident bastard, who just sat back and let his plans work, putting in enough temptation to pull you in, and then due to his damnable Toon World, could kick your ass. Basically, he was calm, collected, and would fuck you over.

as for Marik, I classify him as "could've" precisely because his Yami side turned into a little bitch at the end, losing to the Ishtar side (yeah, I know it's a shounen series and therefore the 'good' side had to win, but still...). As for any other villains in that series... well, as much as I enjoyed the Orichalcos arc at the time, I understand it was pure filler, and no one else really stood out besides Pegasus and Marik

kakakka · 2012-01-03, 10:10

Adding to the Yugioh..

Yami Marik has early signs of being desperate bitch before the ending.

Spoiler for ygo:

2012-01-02, 13:46	Link #42
Kallen4life Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008	1) - Palpatine all the way - Ledger's Joker and The Killing Joke's Joker .. probably DCAU & AA/Arkham City too - Blackbeard aka Marshall D. Teach from One Piece .. also Akainu (Sakazuki) .. and Crocodile - my personal favorite is Wrath from FMA manga/2-nd anime - Hazama Terumi from BlazBlue Continuum Shift - Lex Luthor, Dr. Doom, Norman Osborn - sometimes __________________ When we hunt, we kill No one is safe Nothing is sacred We are Blackwatch We are the last line of defense We will burn our own to hold the red line, it is the last line to ever hold

2012-01-02, 16:20	Link #44
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Nixon, actually. (recall that he was Lucas' inspiration for Palpatine...and that The Phanton Menace came out in 1999, and that Attack of the Clones was filmed mostly in 2000. Both before Bush became President.) __________________

2012-01-02, 22:21	Link #50
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	... I might as well mention Pegasus from the Original Yu-Gi-Oh series... actually, Marik as a villain was quite good, but he more classifies under the "could've been great" category __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2012-01-02, 22:34	Link #52
Puddingman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Age: 35	Sandra from Legend of Mana anybody? Kind of a typical motivation, but cool cause it was just a different perspective, not necessarily a "bad" perspective. Has a cool disguise, and a nice re-occurance rate to be considered legendary. __________________

2012-01-02, 23:46	Link #56
RandySyler Onee-Chan Power~! Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: In this reality (A.K.A. Colorado, U.S.A.)	Sorry guys, but I really can't take your posts seriously. All I get is the little kuriboh voices of the characters you're talking about in my head. __________________

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Afternoon Tea Senior Member Artist Join Date: Mar 2010	Kira from Death Note

2012-01-02, 15:59	Link #43
Irenicus Le fou, c'est moi Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA Age: 34	Maybe I'm just a new generation, or I don't appreciate true evil, but Palpatine never strikes me as in any way interesting. He's like, boring, even after the prequel "Palpatine = evil politician" insert (it's a Bush-era thing). Vader is infinitely more iconic and more important to the franchise's legacy by far.

2012-01-02, 17:53	Link #46
Irenicus Le fou, c'est moi Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Las Vegas, NV, USA Age: 34	Well, there's just another evidence I'm really never going to get Palpatine then. But seriously he's just a caricature of the villain politician, just with Sith-dark cloak, frog-like wrinkles (evil is ugly, sigh), and lighting force-thing. I'd argue that a far more disturbing "villainous" politician figure in literature would be someone like that Huey Long expy from All the King's Men, men who are too close to our own greed and ambition for comfort. On the other hand, a far more charismatic (and funnier) "is he a villain or is he not?" politician figure would be Discworld's glorious Patrician, Vetinari.

2012-01-02, 17:59	Link #47
Dhomochevsky temporary safeguard Join Date: May 2004 Location: Germany	Palpatine is a villian, that uses the systems own instruments against it, to gain power. Unlike Vader, who uses black magic of some sort. So while one may be more intimidating with his magics, mask and evil breathing, the other is more scary as a concept, because he represents an actual threat you face in real life.

2012-01-02, 23:44	Link #55
kakakka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Kaiba was quite a villain before the mind break.

2012-01-03, 00:00	Link #57
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Wouldn't that make the Penguin of 4kids the most evil to you then? __________________

2012-01-03, 02:50	Link #59
Magin #1 Akashiya Moka Fan Author Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Where magic is real Age: 35	The thing about Pegasus is that he was a(n) (over)confident bastard, who just sat back and let his plans work, putting in enough temptation to pull you in, and then due to his damnable Toon World, could kick your ass. Basically, he was calm, collected, and would fuck you over. as for Marik, I classify him as "could've" precisely because his Yami side turned into a little bitch at the end, losing to the Ishtar side (yeah, I know it's a shounen series and therefore the 'good' side had to win, but still...). As for any other villains in that series... well, as much as I enjoyed the Orichalcos arc at the time, I understand it was pure filler, and no one else really stood out besides Pegasus and Marik __________________ Gifted...or Cursed? R+V fanfic- Chapter 4 of A Water Bride and a Vampire is now up at FF.net! All fans of Inner or Outer Moka, come join her fanclub!

2012-01-03, 10:10	Link #60
kakakka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008	Adding to the Yugioh.. Yami Marik has early signs of being desperate bitch before the ending. Spoiler for ygo: He got an upset stomach and probably wet himself he almost lost prior to the finals. The guy is also went on an attempted to kill Rishid many times, just to stay present.