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GDB · 2012-09-17, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Flere821

Finally, something else that I found interesting:

Spoiler for Ayase:

That is awesome.

GVN.Chaos · 2012-09-17, 20:49

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Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Probably not. Given that all the three main girls are adamant, and considering Kyousuke outright said that he would be confessing, it'll take quite a bit of twisting for a open end to happen. Plus, I don't recall Juusanbanme no Alice having an open end.

All the author have to do is end the series right before he confess, but give hints for all possible confessions. That would screw us reader's mind easily

BaKaBaKaOtaKu · 2012-09-18, 00:52

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Originally Posted by GVN.Chaos

Of course, considered the author, it is possible that we will have an open end without any clear winner.

I'd rather have this than have KIrino win

Vexx · 2012-09-18, 01:23

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Originally Posted by BaKaBaKaOtaKu

I'd rather have this than have KIrino win

yeah, we got that. o.O

I'm still of the notion that a "Kirino win" would require some tortured forced writing and a trainwreck of the "suspension of disbelief" an author needs to maintain. I've seen that happen before (and the winner is jerked into place through a deux ex machina via poll surveys... blech).

I might believe a platonic "Kirino wins" but that's basically a non-ending as far as romance goes (like GVN describes above). In that case, the story really was primarily about two siblings repairing their relationship. We'd still be open-ended about whom Kyousuke might romance as an actual mate later.

Flere821 · 2012-09-18, 01:55

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Originally Posted by Vexx

I'm still of the notion that a "Kirino win" would require some tortured forced writing and a trainwreck of the "suspension of disbelief" an author needs to maintain. I've seen that happen before (and the winner is jerked into place through a deux ex machina via poll surveys... blech).

Spoiler for Kirino:

Syokool · 2012-09-18, 09:03

I find it interesting since there are two possibilities if Kyousuke chooses Kirino.

1) They are not related blood siblings (as the game).
2) They actually are blood related, so the ending is one of "They lived together happily as family, loving each other", which I found weird since the story pretty much leads to a romantic conclusion.

So, we have Kuroneko's vision and Ayase declaration about Kirino. Both are pretty much similar. But I still can't imagine Manami's plans, and I don't think she will share Kyousuke with Kirino, so the outcome remains to be a mystery to me

GVN.Chaos · 2012-09-18, 10:05

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Originally Posted by Syokool

I find it interesting since there are two possibilities if Kyousuke chooses Kirino.

1) They are not related blood siblings (as the game).
2) They actually are blood related, so the ending is one of "They lived together happily as family, loving each other", which I found weird since the story pretty much leads to a romantic conclusion.

I agree that 2 is quite cheap, while 1 is a bit plain. That is the reason I brought up the open end : the author can give hint of 2), but we will never know for sure.

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So, we have Kuroneko's vision and Ayase declaration about Kirino. Both are pretty much similar. But I still can't imagine Manami's plans, and I don't think she will share Kyousuke with Kirino, so the outcome remains to be a mystery to me

Whatever Manami's plan is, the chance she approve of Kirino's bro-con is almost non-existence. However, since a part of Kyousuke is always think of Kirino (the sis-con part), I believe that if she denied Kirino, she wil end up denied Kyousuke as well.

Maugomale · 2012-09-19, 17:09

Got a question for those who already read volume 11:

Spoiler:

iCK · 2012-09-19, 18:41

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Originally Posted by Maugomale

Got a question for those who already read volume 11:

Spoiler:

I didn't read volume 11 yet, but here is my idea

Spoiler for Hopefully not:

tarajis · 2012-09-20, 00:48

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Originally Posted by Flere821

Spoiler for Kanako:

Spoiler for Manami-Kanako Alliance:

Spoiler for Manami:

bakAnki · 2012-09-20, 09:43

From all the spoilers posted here (so I most probably wrong), I don't think Manami will be the girl Kyousuke confesses to. Because after read that if nothing went wrong back then, Kyousuke would still reject Sakurai's confession with the same reason he's rejecting her now, because he already has a girl he likes; and then in the middle of it Kyousuke was accepting Kuroneko's confession, Manami is off the list.

First, if Manami was the girl Kyousuke meant when he would reject Sakurai years ago, then why would Kyousuke was accepted Kuroneko then? Manami's position shouldn't be different, if any when Kuroneko confessed to her Manami was closer to Kyousuke than she was when Sakurai confessed, since it was Manami who changed Kyousuke attitude to love normal life.

It was Kirino's positions that different. Years ago the sibling was very close so at that time Kirino was probably the girl Kyousuke love the most. But then cold war happened, though the time Kuroneko confessed to her, Kyousuke and Kirino relationship has been gradually improved it hasn't reached the level of pre-cold war, so at that time Kyousuke could accept Kuroneko's feeling. And now after (almost?!) fully recover their bro-siscon feeling and Kyousuke himself knows Kirino likes him, it makes Kyousuke went back to reject other girls confession because Kirino is the number 1 girl for him. And he did promise (to himself, IIRC?) that he won't has girlfriend if Kirino doesn't have boyfriend first, and even then he wants to be him who confesses to the girl, not the other way around.

So, in the end I think Kirino is the end girl, Kyousuke will probably confess to her but just for the sake not crossing "the real" line, I think the story won't let him and Kirino together as a lover, but just as (really really) close sibling (so you can still have your way, Ayase!!! XD)

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Spoiler for Manami-Kanako Alliance:

Since Kanako route was written by Fushimi himself, and I remember on the last interview/discussion for the PSP game, on one part he said he has the idea for Daisuke and Yoshino (Kousaka dad & mom) relationship/story on the past since long time ago but he hadn't have the chance to use it on the light novel so he used it on the PSP game; I think it's the opposite, he's using the discarded/unused ideas for the specific girl on the PSP game where he couldn't use those for the light novel. Or for some part further expand those already used on the PSP game to the LN with some alterations (eg: Manami as 'the last boss').

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Spoiler for Manami:

I don't know if it's written by Fushimi himself, but if it's a further hint/insight for Manami character, on her omake/bonus story when she's consulting to Daisuke, Daisuke said she is too kind it's naive. She always put others before herself, and she herself said that she wants to befriend all her love rivals for Kyousuke's affection.

So maybe when she told young Kirino to be 'normal' and forget her feeling for Kyousuke, I think she did that because she doesn't want Kyousuke and Kirino to be outcasted by other peoples for having incestuous relationship.

Syokool · 2012-09-20, 10:07

From what I can recall, that promise was between the two of them.

And I wouldn't say Manami was that kind only because she was worried about the two of them. That could be a part, but I feel there is something more behind those acts.

If you think about it, Manami has a high influence over Kyousuke, so, why did she talk with Kirino, knowing she could react in an opposite way, instead of Kyousuke?
Or, why did she even talk about it, when the outcome was probably the worst?

I did said she's evil in joke, but I can't think about her without suspecting something more. She's a girl after all, and not a nun or something like that

Whatever the ending will be, I'd rather an ending with a couple and not an open ending with everyone living happy.

GVN.Chaos · 2012-09-20, 10:48

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Originally Posted by Syokool

From what I can recall, that promise was between the two of them.

And I wouldn't say Manami was that kind only because she was worried about the two of them. That could be a part, but I feel there is something more behind those acts.

If you think about it, Manami has a high influence over Kyousuke, so, why did she talk with Kirino, knowing she could react in an opposite way, instead of Kyousuke?
Or, why did she even talk about it, when the outcome was probably the worst?

Because she is in middle school at that time, and unable to think very far ahead? And she did talk with Kyousuke. Remeber, her advice is the reason Kyousuke turned into his current self.

Syokool · 2012-09-20, 11:14

The talk with Kyousuke was about other matters, not about how he felt about Kirino at that time.

And I really can't understand why she did that, when probably the better choice would've been to not do anything and let the time to be in charge of that.

Now that I think about it, maybe she did the two things thinking far ahead in the future. She caused Kyousuke turned into the normal boring guy he is now, and made Kirino to be apart from him during a period of time.
But, if she did that knowing what will happen, why is she going to do something to makes sure Kirino and Kyousuke do not end together?

Meh, I will just to read some doujinshi to prepare myself for anything that could happen in the next volume

GVN.Chaos · 2012-09-20, 18:17

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Originally Posted by Syokool

The talk with Kyousuke was about other matters, not about how he felt about Kirino at that time.

And I really can't understand why she did that, when probably the better choice would've been to not do anything and let the time to be in charge of that.

Now that I think about it, maybe she did the two things thinking far ahead in the future. She caused Kyousuke turned into the normal boring guy he is now, and made Kirino to be apart from him during a period of time.
But, if she did that knowing what will happen, why is she going to do something to makes sure Kirino and Kyousuke do not end together?

What you said about her action made me feel like she purposed "made Kirino go away so she is the only one can give Kyousuke advice "
........
I still unable to think of Manami that way ><

Marcus H. · 2012-09-20, 21:22

Has anyone here known about the reactions of the Japanese people about Manami's actions?
Was it like Volume 8's fiery boycotts of Kuroneko?

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-09-20, 21:45

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

Has anyone here known about the reactions of the Japanese people about Manami's actions?
Was it like Volume 8's fiery boycotts of Kuroneko?

Well, do always take what you read (particularly about things like "fiery boycotts") with a grain of salt. You have to understand a bit of 2ch culture to know just how much is serious and how much is just for show (which is most of it).

But yeah, I think the general reaction has been to see Manami as an antagonist, which is certainly the way she was cast in the narrative even though her actions aren't particularly evil or necessarily out-and-out wrong (expect that they drove the two main characters of our series apart). Of course, we will see how everything resolves in the final volume; I think most of the reaction is the same as here: trying to guess at how things will end.

cas616 · 2012-09-21, 19:22

I think Vol.11 is a great success. I love the Manami twist, although many anticipated her "dark side", no one would have guessed what actually happened... and it still is a perfectly reasonable story. Unfortunately, I can't consider Manami a possible love interest anymore... it doesn't matter if she had good or bad intentions in the first place, she really did something underhanded there and pretty much assisted in traumatizing him. But that's just my subjective point of view. If he'd end up with her in Vol.12, it would leave me with a pretty bad aftertaste... after all the things she said (for example "disgusting") to Kirino, it feels like he would end up betraying his sister for good.

But that's just my 5 cents, I just can't imagine having a manipulative person like she is as my girlfriend...

With that said, I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallyy root for Ayase, although I'm not really confident in her ending up as his girlfriend. He should just write several Vol.12's so everyone gets his/her happy ending

. (It's far too cheap, I know) Ayase is just great. She has "jackpot" written all over her pretty face.

***relentlessflame*** · 2012-09-21, 22:23

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But that's just my 5 cents, I just can't imagine having a manipulative person like [Manami] is as my girlfriend...

With that said, I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallyy root for Ayase, although I'm not really confident in her ending up as his girlfriend.

Somehow, the juxtaposition of these two comments struck me as funny. Manipulative = bad; possibly yandere = OK!

Seriously, though... this is obviously just my own view, but it's hard for me to see Ayase as anything more than a crush for Kyousuke in this story. I'm sure that her confession was a major confidence booster for him and totally flattering, but somehow I just have a hard time imagining him really choosing her as his sort of "true love". That being said, I can see Ayase as the sort of person who might try to inject herself in the middle of things if Kyousuke were to pick one of the other likely candidates. I mean, just because Kyousuke confesses to someone doesn't mean the other girls are just going to accept his decision without questioning it.

From an overall story perspective, as Kyousuke reconciles with Kirino, I actually see Ruri as a structurally sound choice. He went out with her before, and she broke up with him partly as a way to help bring the siblings closer. Him confessing to her this time would be a nice way of bringing symmetry to the plot, and she has already basically accepted the situation with Kirino as well.

And then there's Kirino. If you want my honest prediction, I think Kirino is going to be the one he "confesses" to (first), but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll end up as a romantic couple. I think the has to confess that he is indeed in love with her (and her with him) and then they can decide how to move on from there. This is a way of finally bringing the whole stand-off to a close and resolving all the many hints left so far. But like I said... I'm not so convinced yet about where they go from there. He could "confess" to her, but also confess that he's in love with someone else (like Ruri for example).

The one thing we know for sure is that this three-volume arc, and the story on the whole, depend on resolving the issue between Kirino and Kyousuke, so whatever happens Kirino will be at the center of the plot in Volume 12, no matter the final romantic outcome. This is why I think it makes sense to have a more direct connection to that plot, whether or not Kyousuke would try to pursue any romantic path with her.

In the end, only time will tell...

Flere821 · 2012-09-21, 22:57

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Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Somehow, the juxtaposition of these two comments struck me as funny. Manipulative = bad; possibly yandere = OK!

Well, as I understand it with a yandere the most she'd do is give you a gruesome death, and chances are that will be swift. An manipulative girl could get you into so much trouble it'll take the rest of your life to fix it

I don't have any idea how this might turn out, but what I'd like to see is:

Spoiler for personal preference:

2012-09-19, 17:09	Link #1368
Maugomale Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2011	Got a question for those who already read volume 11: Spoiler: Did Kyousuke "waste" the one wish he won from Kirino thanks to their bet in volume 10 or did he save it up?

2012-09-20, 21:22	Link #1376
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Syokool Lab. member 009 Scanlator Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 1.048596 Age: 35	I find it interesting since there are two possibilities if Kyousuke chooses Kirino. 1) They are not related blood siblings (as the game). 2) They actually are blood related, so the ending is one of "They lived together happily as family, loving each other", which I found weird since the story pretty much leads to a romantic conclusion. So, we have Kuroneko's vision and Ayase declaration about Kirino. Both are pretty much similar. But I still can't imagine Manami's plans, and I don't think she will share Kyousuke with Kirino, so the outcome remains to be a mystery to me

2012-09-20, 10:07	Link #1372
Syokool Lab. member 009 Scanlator Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 1.048596 Age: 35	From what I can recall, that promise was between the two of them. And I wouldn't say Manami was that kind only because she was worried about the two of them. That could be a part, but I feel there is something more behind those acts. If you think about it, Manami has a high influence over Kyousuke, so, why did she talk with Kirino, knowing she could react in an opposite way, instead of Kyousuke? Or, why did she even talk about it, when the outcome was probably the worst? I did said she's evil in joke, but I can't think about her without suspecting something more. She's a girl after all, and not a nun or something like that Whatever the ending will be, I'd rather an ending with a couple and not an open ending with everyone living happy.

2012-09-20, 11:14	Link #1374
Syokool Lab. member 009 Scanlator Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: 1.048596 Age: 35	The talk with Kyousuke was about other matters, not about how he felt about Kirino at that time. And I really can't understand why she did that, when probably the better choice would've been to not do anything and let the time to be in charge of that. Now that I think about it, maybe she did the two things thinking far ahead in the future. She caused Kyousuke turned into the normal boring guy he is now, and made Kirino to be apart from him during a period of time. But, if she did that knowing what will happen, why is she going to do something to makes sure Kirino and Kyousuke do not end together? Meh, I will just to read some doujinshi to prepare myself for anything that could happen in the next volume

2012-09-21, 19:22	Link #1378
cas616 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: EU	I think Vol.11 is a great success. I love the Manami twist, although many anticipated her "dark side", no one would have guessed what actually happened... and it still is a perfectly reasonable story. Unfortunately, I can't consider Manami a possible love interest anymore... it doesn't matter if she had good or bad intentions in the first place, she really did something underhanded there and pretty much assisted in traumatizing him. But that's just my subjective point of view. If he'd end up with her in Vol.12, it would leave me with a pretty bad aftertaste... after all the things she said (for example "disgusting") to Kirino, it feels like he would end up betraying his sister for good. But that's just my 5 cents, I just can't imagine having a manipulative person like she is as my girlfriend... With that said, I reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallyy root for Ayase, although I'm not really confident in her ending up as his girlfriend. He should just write several Vol.12's so everyone gets his/her happy ending . (It's far too cheap, I know) Ayase is just great. She has "jackpot" written all over her pretty face.