2009-12-25, 16:04 | Link #1801 |
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Hey guys, why is Goku scared of ChiChi hitting him when he can full on take attacks that can blow up planets! I don't get this obvious shonen cliche of a main character being "weaker" or not as alert to some things for the purpose of comedy or fanservice, please explain!
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2009-12-25, 16:51 | Link #1803 | |
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2009-12-29, 18:55 | Link #1806 | |
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-Medaka points out that it's just artificial light and that you can see the ceiling tiles if you look hard enough. And if the raw's scan quality is good you can see the lines. -Showing off and see if he's still got the groove? -They are just along for the ride. They were just door guards who weren't special enough to pass the code test and have never been down there themselves. |
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2009-12-30, 11:17 | Link #1810 |
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So if I would be slapping you in a face and then loudly proclaim I am your friend, I would be your friend?
Hardly, Medaka seems to be just claiming him to be her friend but doesnt seem to act as friend. And no one considers her to want to help because she is an attention whore and likes to dominate poeple (which was that she herself admitted), so it is only natural to assume things based on such characteristics rather than suspect an altruism from such character as Medaka, there is nothing amusing in here. |
2009-12-30, 15:01 | Link #1811 | ||
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Who slapped who, when?
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I'm not going to point out specific examples of her acting like a friend because people are just going to dispute it anyway. For whatever reason, this seems to be a matter of personal preference instead of something you can actually prove or support with examples of the character's actions, so if what I already said doesn't work for you, then oh well. Quote:
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2009-12-30, 15:10 | Link #1812 | |
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True, some of this comes from the fact that I'm not a fan of Medaka, but the same can be said of the opposite-- if you like her, then you'll see her good side more. It's all just opinions and the truth is, we don't actually know how Medaka thinks because she's the ONLY person in the manga (besides Shiranui) whose head we don't get to see inside, so we can only go off of her actions and the way others around her view her. People tend to worship her in the manga and that type of thing turns people off, even if it is something she dislikes, she never does anything to stop it and by saying that she lives for others, she actually seems to be encouraging it. She may be showing concern for her friends when she doesn't want them to fight, but she's also showing that she doesn't believe in them, either. What she doesn't seem to realize (or maybe she does) is that she's also holding them back when she does this. Oh, and there is one example of her being petty and attention-needing. The painting chapter. She was upset that Shiranui was more prominent in the foreground than she was.
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2009-12-30, 15:18 | Link #1813 |
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Putting pressure on Zen in order to recruit him for the student council is not something you do out of friendship. She is aware of Zen's feelings and yet she manipulates him with her *cute* facial expressions. She's wrapping him around her finger and gets annoyed in situations where she can't dominate, especially where she feels that Shiranui is getting involved too much.
I say it again, Medaka doesn't value her friendship with Zen. When that artist kid drew a group picture representing the Student council and fellow students, she never pointed how she thought about this *friends* picture, no... she complained about why she didn't stand out more then Shiranui. C'mon, this is not something Medaka should say when she claims to be born for others. Her reaction even surprised Zen who didn't expect her to react like that. This is clearly someone who wants people's attention and doesn't view others at her level or appreciates other people's thoughts (in this case, the artist's). She's aware of her inhuman abilities and yet the annoying bitch doesn't give in that she's not a ordinary human. Unless someone defeats her or surpass her ability as a normal human, she'll always be looking down on people and claim that humankind needs her as a savior and not as a friend. |
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2009-12-30, 18:27 | Link #1815 |
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I'm sure you're reading different manga than KLGChaos, Darknemo2000, Lummie, myself, and a lots of other people. IMHO you're reading a manga author think he is writing, but failed to.
Author failed to convince a lots of readers that Medaka is a good girl, feeling lonely and insecure because of her abilities. She has told it once, as well as few other characters, but for lots of readers her actions proved otherwise. I think author wanted to show that Medaka does love Zenkichi, but doesn't know how to show it. On mangafox forum once was very nice and detailed thread with proofs that she doesn't love him, and treat him only as a lapdog (I'm not able to find it anymore). Author thinks that Zenkichi is a protagonist, together with Medaka, but for many readers Zenkichi is, at best, secondary character.
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2009-12-30, 19:08 | Link #1818 |
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Well since the subject is getting a tad bit interesting I'd like to post my opinion about that whole Medaka getting angry because it's Shiranui. As I recall, during the dog chapter Medaka got pretty angry that Zenkichi was asking Shiranui for help with a request. Yet in a later chapter, she never even batted an eyelash in the chapter where Kikajumi tried to kiss Zen. Might add that during that chapter she made Akune come with her to help with a request.
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2009-12-30, 21:35 | Link #1819 | ||
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In the one from ch 26, she's not using that face to force her brother to do anything. Her brother is completely in love with her and doesn't need any kind of coercion if Medaka wants him to do something. She used that face to cover up her disgust with having to be in his presence. On the previous page, Zen is the one that even told her to smile instead of showing her disgust so openly. For the one from chapter six, I could argue that Zen isn't even looking at her when she makes that face. It's clear that she's standing behind him, and of the character's reactions to her outburst that we see, Zen's isn't one of them. Zen is looking at Akune, and proceeds to tackle him for the win. I could argue that, but let's not dwell on that fact. In that scene, what Medaka says is what motivates Zen to win. She says that she'd cry if he lost, and he says he doesn't even want to think about it, much less see it. If you want to call it manipulative, fine. It was. She used what she knew about her friend to get him to stop embarrassing himself. I think that's a good thing, personally. Was that all the examples? Those weren't convincing at all. Quote:
The examples you pulled out only show Medaka's jealousy of Zen and Shiranui being too close. That's not a big secret, or even surprising. Shiranui would very likely steal Zen from Medaka if given the chance, and Medaka is probably aware of this. |
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2009-12-31, 11:11 | Link #1820 | |
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But again it seems like you are content on staying in your delusions, oh well. |
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action, comedy, harem, nishio, romance, shounen, student council |
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