Guilty Crown - General Discussion

[Flawfinder]

Originally Posted by Brimstone

I think we're misunderstanding something here- I think they meant that it's an original in the sense that it's not an adaptation of an existing story.

I actually did get that and was making more of a joke. But while I'm not looking for Spirited Away originality with this anime, it reminds me of so many other anime and movies (mostly the ones I don't like) that if I didn't know it was anime-original and just watched the show, I wouldn't be able to tell.

[Tiresias]

Originally Posted by darkchibi07

Check out this interview with the producers ANN conducted. It's rather amusing!

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/inte...n-guilty-crown

There is, of course, a very big risk to doing a two-season show, and to doing something original.

We're stressing action and plot: a cutting-edge TV show.

*LAUGHS HYSTERICALLY*

Am I reading this right? They actually thought they are making something original?! And cutting-edge plot? Really? Pretending that this show has any sophistication, right now after all the current episodes basically pegged Guilty Crown as a campy, fanservice-laden "shut-your-brains-before-watching" popcorn show with "seen-it-before" plots and gimmicks in the veins of Michael Bay?

Man, that's a good laugh

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But seriously, they need to stop deluding themselves into thinking that they're making a masterpiece - this show is already overhyped as it is. Guilty Crown is a guilty pleasure with nice visuals and enjoyable soundtrack, best watched while not expecting anything intelligent, and any attempt to claim otherwise would only piss-off viewers drawn by (fake) promises of originality or sophistry

[dark998]

Originally Posted by MrTerrorist

Finally listened to the full version of Euterpe.

The song is hauntingly beautiful.

My favorite track of that single is the mix version of Departures. +7 minutes long and the ominous feel make it superior to the original (which was already pretty good).

[Kaoru Chujo]

Originally Posted by Flawnalyst

...I can understand aiming for a younger audience and such, but in all honesty, I think aiming for a younger audience is harder than aiming for an older one. It places all kinds of restrictions on you, and if you're not careful, the product could end up talking down to its audience and insulting its intelligence. Why people ever use the excuse "It's for kids, so it's okay" is beyond me, especially since a lot of the greatest stories in the world are written for a young audience.

Edit: And seriously, an original premise? Anime for a new generation? Are you telling me that this is an anime that thinks it's being original, but it's not? Come on!

Lol. That interview undermines part of my own interpretation, since I think the plot is fairly flimsy and enjoy the show for other reasons. Whereas they said they were "stressing action and plot".

However, from what they said, they thought that the "new generation" has shallow friendships, and they portray Shu that way. That's part of why it's "for a new generation." We first saw Shu alone with his phone/pad watching Inori. I think they are seeing him as having his life in cyberspace instead of the physical world.

You're right about writing for kids being at least as hard as writing for adults. But I don't see the show talking down to anybody. They compared it to GiTS only to say it wasn't like it. GiTS is what some people here were hoping for, but that's not what they were trying to do.

I must say, however, these producers sound like my image of a traditional Hollywood producer, with not very exact conceptions of what they're doing, just slogans. That they hired the writers of Code Geass and were surprised to hear that anyone saw any similarity, despite the great similarities in the whole situation, makes me think they're pretty blind. But to me, this show has strong plot similarities to CG, but doesn't feel like it all.

I think director Araki, designer redjuice, and the music are all excellent. And so is the acting. But I'm not so positive about the writing.

From my point of view, Noitamina continues to produce good shows, but has very little notion of how to make a show that's popular. It is interesting to hear the producers talk about doing Shiki, another show which was not very successful, but which I liked, and which in fact was fairly original among anime.

[TJR]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

That they hired the writers of Code Geass and were surprised to hear that anyone saw any similarity, despite the great similarities in the whole situation, makes me think they're pretty blind. But to me, this show has strong plot similarities to CG, but doesn't feel like it all.

Well, that line of questioning (very direct in this case. The interviewer almost implied that they're copying Code Geass and requested an explanation on how they're differentiating Guilty Crown from the former) is often offensive to the Japanese. More often than not, it'll be met with denial, if not outright indignation.

I'm not surprised that the three got a bit defensive.

[Flawfinder]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

However, from what they said, they thought that the "new generation" has shallow friendships, and they portray Shu that way. That's part of why it's "for a new generation." We first saw Shu alone with his phone/pad watching Inori. I think they are seeing him as having his life in cyberspace instead of the physical world.

You're right about writing for kids being at least as hard as writing for adults. But I don't see the show talking down to anybody. They compared it to GiTS only to say it wasn't like it. GiTS is what some people here were hoping for, but that's not what they were trying to do.

I actually like the idea of a new generation having shallow friends. However, Shu is too boring a character for the idea to work (apologies to the people who like him), and it doesn't help that Future Diary and Boku Wa Tomodachi are also tackling the idea as well; and I personally think they're doing a better job of it. Or at least doing it more entertainingly.

Also, I never compared the show to GITS. I just thought that the writing might have been better if they tried to market the show towards a more adult audience. Right now, the show seems to be pandering in the same way Fractale did, use a bunch of cool scenes from other anime while forgetting to put in the build up or substance that made those scenes cool in the first place (only more entertainingly).

[djmaca]

Originally Posted by Kaoru Chujo

We first saw Shu alone with his phone/pad watching Inori. I think they are seeing him as having his life in cyberspace instead of the physical world.

Originally Posted by Flawnalyst

I actually like the idea of a new generation having shallow friends. However, Shu is too boring a character for the idea to work (apologies to the people who like him), and it doesn't help that Future Diary and Boku Wa Tomodachi are also tackling the idea as well; and I personally think they're doing a better job of it. Or at least doing it more entertainingly.

I think being boring works well with him "having his life in cyberspace instead of the physical world."

Now all I have to think about is why it's so familiar...

[Brimstone]

Ehh? Shu has a life in cyberspace ? Since when?

Surfing youtube doesn't count as 'a life'.

[djmaca]

Originally Posted by Brimstone

Ehh? Shu has a life in cyberspace ? Since when?

Surfing youtube doesn't count as 'a life'.

He is a fan and it wasn't stated he just surfs the net to watch Inori's videos all day long: He might be posting on blogs and forums too.

Now I really know it feels so familiar... surfing the net, posting at forums and blogs... being a fan.

[Brimstone]

Originally Posted by djmaca

He is a fan and it wasn't stated he just surfs the net to watch Inori's videos all day long: He might be posting on blogs and forums too.

Now I really know it feels so familiar... surfing the net, posting at forums and blogs... being a fan.

It's not impossible, but I don't think it's meant to be anything prominent since we never got any real 'proof' after seven episodes.

Heck, not even a small monologue.

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by TJR

Well, that line of questioning (very direct in this case. The interviewer almost implied that they're copying Code Geass and requested an explanation on how they're differentiating Guilty Crown from the former) is often offensive to the Japanese. More often than not, it'll be met with denial, if not outright indignation.

I'm not surprised that the three got a bit defensive.

For these reasons, that was not the smartest note to end the interview on. When it comes down to it, both the interviewer and the interviewed come off amateurish here

[neshru]

So, what was the author thinking when he designed the pink haired girl's outfit? Why would she wear something that makes it perfectly easy to spot you up to 1km distance (and nevermind the fact that it looks completely ridiculous and out of place)?

[Unknown Soldier]

Originally Posted by neshru

So, what was the author thinking when he designed the pink haired girl's outfit? Why would she wear something that makes it perfectly easy to spot you up to 1km distance (and nevermind the fact that it looks completely ridiculous and out of place)?

You're questioning the costumes of anime characters?

[neshru]

Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

You're questioning the costumes of anime characters?

I don't know what anime do you watch, but not every anime character wears or has to wear a ridiculous looking outfit (or ridiculously out of place, more to the point).
Ridiculous outfits are perfectly fine in the right context, but when it comes to a series that takes itself seriously like this one, they just make it look like a big joke.

[pinoscotto]

Originally Posted by neshru

I don't know what anime do you watch, but not every anime character wears or has to wear a ridiculous looking outfit (or ridiculously out of place, more to the point).
Ridiculous outfits are perfectly fine in the right context, but when it comes to a series that takes itself seriously like this one, they just make it look like a big joke.

in GITS SAC or TTGL the context was right?
i think there are more important problems in this series than this

[NoOneKnowS]

TBH, advertistically (is that even a word??) this anime is doing it's job. This show is just ripping your brains apart you can't help but watch it and complain how stupid this show is in here.

As a casual viewer, this has got to be the best of the moment for me. Not fate, not gundam nor kodomo. But this. And I think the producers are doing a great job of catering casual viewers to be honest.

[Kunagisa]

Don't have a bigger one, Ravenblitz probably will come around with something if he has a bigger version.

[lightbringer]

Originally Posted by NoOneKnowS

TBH, advertistically (is that even a word??)

It's not. What did you have in mind? "as advertisement"?

[EroKing]

Couple of freebies.

[Iron21]

Originally Posted by TheEroKing

Couple of freebies.

I'll take this one.

thanks.