The Novel and Manga of Haruhi Suzumiya

[bhl88]

Originally Posted by from mail

Hi, we appreciate your feedback.

That is just a blurb that was not even translated by the translator who does the novels themselves. Please don't worry, the finished product will be just as good as the previous translations.

It's pretty typical for advertising copy to differ from the finished product.

Yeah they replied.

[edkedkedk]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Well, that's never going to happen. If there's ever a situation that she and she alone can solve, then the future is screwed, and she'll never have existed. She can't "do things" (ie: change history) on her own. Her whole role in her past is to get the people there to do the things she needs done. I thought that was explained fairly well in Volume 7 and Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru...

Does she even fulfill her role in that sense? So far I haven't seen any indication of her steering people to her will, to ensure the future is kept intact. All I see is a girl that has absolutely no feasible powers whatsoever, observing how things go and probably can't change anything if they didn't go right (unlike Yuki). Unless, however, Mikuru (Big) and Mikuru are considered to be the same person; that explanation will increase Mikuru's role in the story and her usefulness.

Originally Posted by bhl88

Yeah they replied.

So... yeah. Let's hope they keep to their word, then.

[SgtHydra]

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

Well, that's never going to happen. If there's ever a situation that she and she alone can solve, then the future is screwed, and she'll never have existed. She can't "do things" (ie: change history) on her own. Her whole role in her past is to get the people there to do the things she needs done. I thought that was explained fairly well in Volume 7 and Melancholy of Asahina Mikuru...

I disagree.

She can do things that history says that she does in the past, and in her "present" she can pretty much do whatever she wants.

So there are two possible oppertunities for her to do something awesome.

It's a longshot, but it ain't unlikely. Something's gotta happen that turns her into the adult we've seen.

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by SgtHydra

I disagree.

She can do things that history says that she does in the past, and in her "present" she can pretty much do whatever she wants.

So there are two possible oppertunities for her to do something awesome.

It's a longshot, but it ain't unlikely. Something's gotta happen that turns her into the adult we've seen.

Well, those, again, are never going to happen, as history isn't ever going to say that she does anything in the past (all the "predermined facts" surrounding her have been focused on Kyon and other current time residents), and we're never going to see anything that happens in her "present" ("our" future). Her evolution into Asahina(big) is going to happen because of things done to her, not by her. Again, Volume 7 makes it pretty clear. Mikuru's job is to do nothing more than "input the value" to get the right future, and every book in the series that deals with it shows that she does so by having others do things (so far only Kyon for certain, but arguably Haruhi as well). Why do you think she gets so upset when Haruhi forces her to do anything?

And "longshot" means "unlikely". You probably mean "ain't impossible", which admittedly nothing is in this series.

[s07195]

Any new info on the th novel?
It IS in the April issue...right?

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by s07195

Any new info on the th novel?
It IS in the April issue...right?

I think it's actually like the May or June issue, it just comes out some time this month. It's probably mentioned a few pages back.

EDIT: It's April 30th. And I think it's a quarterly, so it's the second quarter (Apr-Jun) issue then maybe?

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by s07195

Any new info on the th novel?
It IS in the April issue...right?

Originally Posted by quigonkenny

I think it's actually like the May or June issue, it just comes out some time this month. It's probably mentioned a few pages back.

EDIT: It's April 30th. And I think it's a quarterly, so it's the second quarter (Apr-Jun) issue then maybe?

The first part of the novel will be included in the June 2010 issue of "The Sneaker" which is a Kadokawa publication put out every two months on the last Friday of that month (2,4,6,8,10,12). So this month's issue is the June 2010 issue while February's was the April issue.

[s07195]

Originally Posted by ultimatemegax

The first part of the novel will be included in the June 2010 issue of "The Sneaker" which is a Kadokawa publication put out every two months on the last Friday of that month (2,4,6,8,10,12). So this month's issue is the June 2010 issue while February's was the April issue.

Even though I have someone in Tokyo right now who could easily buy a copy... I still can't read Japanese

Yet I'm still asking him to help me buy the reprinted Melancholy while it lasts. Yeah. In Japanese.

But hopefully I won't have much trouble, with my Chinese version (Kadokawa Taiwan) to help. Great to be enjoying it while learning some new stuff.

[Blayne Barudorii]

Originally Posted by orangejuicetang

So, when the 10th book finally comes out, is there going to be any group doing a translation since baka-tsuki froze Haruhi?

I would like to know this as well.

[baltakatei]

Originally Posted by Blayne Barudorii

I would like to know this as well.

Maybe we can all exercise patience and wait until ~2014 when an official english translation will be released (assuming Yen Press continues their avg 6 month/novel). =3

[Blayne Barudorii]

Originally Posted by baltakatei

Maybe we can all exercise patience and wait until ~2014 when an official english translation will be released (assuming Yen Press continues their avg 6 month/novel). =3

Erk. Far too long, I could be dead by then! Car accident! Solar flare! Plane crash! snoob snoob! I must read it asap so I would have no regrets!

[Sute443]

Originally Posted by baltakatei

Maybe we can all exercise patience and wait until ~2014 when an official english translation will be released (assuming Yen Press continues their avg 6 month/novel). =3

Consider the amount of people who were willing to have their first viewing of the Disappearance movie come from a raw, flashing camrip. Do you really think it would be plausible for the people here to exercise that much patience?

[kazewa]

It's an old topic (referring to page 23 of this thread). But, purely got the urge to post after watching the movie (The Disappearance), goggling about th 10th vol., found this topic, red the 23rd page of this thread.

Spoiler:

Hmm, I also agree that Haruhi had the power when she met 'John Smith'.
Why?
Well, based on Mikuru, they couldn't travel farther than 3 years into the past, and they assumed that that was caused by Haruhi. Of course, to be able to blocked time traveling like that, Haruhi needed that power (and of course she did that unconsciously). The quetion is, when Haruhi blocked time traveling more than 3 years into the past?

I'm thinking it's as soon as she got her power, or in a very, very short period of time after she got her power. Why? For her to blocked time traveling farther than 3 years (to the past), of course she did it unconsciously. That means, she didn't think anything of the sort: "I will prevent time traveler to travel farther than 3 years into the past" when she DID it. So, what caused / what kind of thoughts triggered that 'time travel blocked'? I don't think any major event in the past, which wasn't mentioned so far and highly-possible be told in the new volume, occurred to made her used her power and blocked time travel (again, farther than 3 years). That's why I'm thinking it was happened as soon as she got the power or in a very, very short period of time after she got her power.

Next, from what time line that the time traveler couldn't travel farther? Again, could she, being unaware of her power and all, choose which time line was severed from being able to travel back to? NO. With that assumption above and the previous line, I'm thinking it was "could only travel back to the past not long after Haruhi got her power for the farthest, and couldn't travel back to the time before she got her power". If the last line is right, than if she got her power later than her meeting with 'John Smith', than Kyon and Mikuru shouldn't be able to travel back to July 7th 3 years ago, since it was part of time when she hadn't the power.

Next, with that way of thinking, I can't disagree that maybe, JUST maybe, she got her power not long after she realized how insignificance her existence was. But, wasn't '3 years ago' stated when Kyon and co. WAS in 10th grade / 1st year in high school? Counting back, it should be around when Haruhi was in 7th grade. Well, the '3 years ago' isn't 'exactly 3 years ago - meaning 3 years 0 months 0 days - when Mikuru told Kyon for the very first time'. But still, '3 years ago' should only limited to the range: 2 years 11 months xx days to 3 years 2 / 3 months xx days. The first outside activity (when Mikuru told Kyon about her being a time traveler) should be in May (IIRC, since in the movie, Yuki said that Kyon helped her with the library card in May, which supposed to be the same day when Mikuru told Kyon). If we counted back 3 years 3 months xx days, it's around end of January of earlier February 3 years ago. Well, Haruhi supposed to be still a 6th grader

[Heatth]

Well, first, it would be really nice to quoting the post(s) you are referring too. You see, to people understand easily what you are talking about. Not to mention the nice link to said post that forum give you every time you quote someone. Also, do you you can just edit your posts without having to delete then right?

Said that, I mostly agree with you. From all I could understand of Melancholy, the '3 Years Ago' day was the day when she got see that baseball game and realized the he own insignificance. That day was the day Itsuki got his powers, Nagato's creators observed the huge creation of data and the last day Mikuru's people can travel back.

As you said, the day can not be the Tanabata. More specifically, the specific point can not be when she draw the message on school cause the Kyons and the Asahinas traveled before that. Hence, it must be the baseball day cause it is the only other important day we know. Also, Haruhi admitted she lived as a normal girl just before that, and just started acting weirdly after this episode.

In any case, considering The Day as Tanabata aways sound silly to me.not only it is probably travel to before that but even Nagato seems to be living in Earth at this time. I really doubt she had just born at that instant.

[ijuinkun]

Given that in the flashback to the baseball game, Haruhi was shown wearing what appears to be spring wear, I would speculate that it was intended to be the spring (April-June) prior to the Tanabata where she met "John Smith". The baseball game made her realize "Hey, my life isn't fantastic enough--I want to meet and hang out with extraordinary people", which led to the creation of the various factions. However meeting John Smith and hearing that he believes in such beings made her believe "Hey, maybe I really CAN meet and hang out with such people".

[kazewa]

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by Heatth

Well, first, it would be really nice to quoting the post(s) you are referring too. You see, to people understand easily what you are talking about. Not to mention the nice link to said post that forum give you every time you quote someone. Also, do you you can just edit your posts without having to delete then right?

Sorry, I was kinda in a rush so I didn't even remember to make the quote.
Well, the reason I deleted 2 of my 1st posts, was because I thought I posted these in the wrong intended thread. You see, I red the topic on page 23, and thought that that page (23) was the last page of the thread. So after posted it and found out that some last posts were different, I thought "Hm? I posted in the wrong thread! Gotta delete it and post it in the right thread immediately…". I did that twice before realizing that page 23 wasn't the last page


Based from my previous post above, or

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by kazewa

It's an old topic (referring to page 23 of this thread). But, purely got the urge to post after watching the movie (The Disappearance), goggling about th 10th vol., found this topic, red the 23rd page of this thread.

Spoiler:

Hmm, I also agree that Haruhi had the power when she met 'John Smith'.
Why?
Well, based on Mikuru, they couldn't travel farther than 3 years into the past, and they assumed that that was caused by Haruhi. Of course, to be able to blocked time traveling like that, Haruhi needed that power (and of course she did that unconsciously). The quetion is, when Haruhi blocked time traveling more than 3 years into the past?

I'm thinking it's as soon as she got her power, or in a very, very short period of time after she got her power. Why? For her to blocked time traveling farther than 3 years (to the past), of course she did it unconsciously. That means, she didn't think anything of the sort: "I will prevent time traveler to travel farther than 3 years into the past" when she DID it. So, what caused / what kind of thoughts triggered that 'time travel blocked'? I don't think any major event in the past, which wasn't mentioned so far and highly-possible be told in the new volume, occurred to made her used her power and blocked time travel (again, farther than 3 years). That's why I'm thinking it was happened as soon as she got the power or in a very, very short period of time after she got her power.

Next, from what time line that the time traveler couldn't travel farther? Again, could she, being unaware of her power and all, choose which time line was severed from being able to travel back to? NO. With that assumption above and the previous line, I'm thinking it was "could only travel back to the past not long after Haruhi got her power for the farthest, and couldn't travel back to the time before she got her power". If the last line is right, than if she got her power later than her meeting with 'John Smith', than Kyon and Mikuru shouldn't be able to travel back to July 7th 3 years ago, since it was part of time when she hadn't the power.

Next, with that way of thinking, I can't disagree that maybe, JUST maybe, she got her power not long after she realized how insignificance her existence was. But, wasn't '3 years ago' stated when Kyon and co. WAS in 10th grade / 1st year in high school? Counting back, it should be around when Haruhi was in 7th grade. Well, the '3 years ago' isn't 'exactly 3 years ago - meaning 3 years 0 months 0 days - when Mikuru told Kyon for the very first time'. But still, '3 years ago' should only limited to the range: 2 years 11 months xx days to 3 years 2 / 3 months xx days. The first outside activity (when Mikuru told Kyon about her being a time traveler) should be in May (IIRC, since in the movie, Yuki said that Kyon helped her with the library card in May, which supposed to be the same day when Mikuru told Kyon). If we counted back 3 years 3 months xx days, it's around end of January of earlier February 3 years ago. Well, Haruhi supposed to be still a 6th grader

Oh yeah. When Haruhi's power awakened, a big time quake occurred. I'm guessing that after that time quake ended, is the furthest point that the time travelers could travel back to.

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by ijuinkun

Given that in the flashback to the baseball game, Haruhi was shown wearing what appears to be spring wear, I would speculate that it was intended to be the spring (April-June) prior to the Tanabata where she met "John Smith". The baseball game made her realize "Hey, my life isn't fantastic enough--I want to meet and hang out with extraordinary people", which led to the creation of the various factions. However meeting John Smith and hearing that he believes in such beings made her believe "Hey, maybe I really CAN meet and hang out with such people".

Good thinking. Anyone know when usually is the very first baseball game / match of each year – in Japan - takes place? Maybe if it’s around April or later, then Haruhi watched that baseball game when she was in 7th grade, not 6th grade. If it’s earlier than April, than the two possibilites (6th or 7th grade) are still alive as possibilites.

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

But Kyon actually met Haruhi before he met Sasaki. At least from Haruhi's perspective.

From Kyon's perspective, he first met Sasaki in 9th grade, when he graduated and entered North High, he met Haruhi. The 7th grade Haruhi he met 3 years ago, from Kyon's perspective, he met 3-years-younger-Haruhi after she met Sasaki and Haruhi from his time frame.

Spoiler:

Originally Posted by FatPianoBoy

The idea is that, if Kyon is some kind of focusing lens for omnipotence, then it would have activated Haruhi first seeing as he met Haruhi earlier in the timeline.

In fact, if this is the case (not sure if it is right now), maybe Kyon awakened Haruhi's powers four years ago, transferred them to Sasaki when he met her, and then back to Haruhi when he met her in North High.
It's just rampant speculation, and I'm not even sure I believe, so take it as you will.

-Based on my previous post above, if Kyon awakened Haruhi’s power when he and Mikuru went back to July 7th 3 years ago, than Kyon and Mikuru shouldn’t be able to travel to the point before they met Haruhi and the moment Kyon awakened Haruhi’s power. But they were ABLE to, which based on my thinking, made me thought it is not possible. Haruhi already had the power, at least, in the exact second Kyon and Mikuru arrived on July 7th 3 years ago.
-I'm thinking that when Kyon and Mikuru went back to meet 3-years-younger-Haruhi, that Haruhi already had the god-power. That can means, Kyon WAS NOT the one who awakened Haruhi’s power. Haruhi already had it when she met Kyon, aka 'John Smith’, for the very first time in Haruhi’s life, regardless of ‘from which time frame is that Haruhi’.
-It’s kinda hard to accept if he transferred the god-power to Sasaki when Kyon has yet to meet Haruhi, and he wasn’t even the one who awakened the god-power within 3-years-younger-Haruhi. Now, I’m thinking that the god-power, from the moment it awakened and possessed by Haruhi, always possessed by Haruhi, up to the last volume (9). So what the Sasaki crew trying to do (well, maybe excluding Sasaki) is (along the line of) stealing Haruhi’s power, for god-knows-what-reason (only if that’s right).


I have a speculation about why Kyon chosen by Haruhi…

Spoiler:

Completely, purely a coincidence. It wasn't like Haruhi chose Kyon. But Kyon, who coincidentally enrolled in the same high school (North High) with Haruhi, took the initiative and talked to her. Then Haruhi starting to take interest in him.
The motive for Kyon and Mikuru went back 3 years to the past was a countermeasure against Yuki’s anomalous behaviour on Dec 18th. While it may also served as ‘bait’ to made Haruhi entered North High or maybe to made Haruhi had subconscious wish to meet again with John Smith so her power would attract Kyon to Haruhi in North High, But I’m still thinking that that wasn’t the motive at all.
It’s like this:
The very first 7th grade Haruhi who got the power DID NOT met Kyon and Mikuru. Kyon and Mikuru in the same time frame with the very first 7th grade Haruhi who got the power met the very first Haruhi who got the power, but already grown up now as a high schooler, in North High. They traveled back, wasn’t to fulfil the condition to ensure Haruhi pick North High 3 years later. But purely for the 1st step countermeasure for the event on Dec 18th. And, the 7th grade Haruhi they met, was the 2nd 7th grade Haruhi who got the power. That means, the reason the very first 7th grade Haruhi who got the power entered North High, wasn’t affected at all by the meeting with John Smith because that one didn’t meet Kyon and Mikuru at all before she entered North High. That very first 7th grade Haruhi who got the power was then enrolled in North High, coincidentally, met Kyon and took a liking to him because Kyon approached her, coincidentally. Kyon gave her an indirect idea to create SOS Brigade. Haruhi then unconsciously wished for alien, time traveler, and esper. Mikuru, Yuki, and Koisumi assembled, along with Kyon because Haruhi already taken a likng to him, or maybe she thought Kyon was the one who thought of the great idea. Again, Kyon and Mikuru then went back to July 7th 3 years ago from July 7th in their time frame because it was already predicted that on Dec 18th, there would be a big / massive time quake, and the higher ups of time travelers assigned Mikuru (high schooler) and she took Kyon to 3 years ago.

Oh, and maybe, just maybe, Yuki knew that without any interference in her altered world, Haruhi would still choose North High as per original scenario, even if she wouldn't possess any power then. That was why, in the altered world, Haruhi chose Kouyouen High, though that Haruhi met 'John Smith' when she was in 7th grade.
Let's think about it. Haruhi in the 'normal' and 'altered' world both met 'John Smith', but they still chose different high school, am I wrong? xD
(that also made me thinking what's the motive for traveling back 3 years ago)

[Khu]

That last theory makes my head hurt.

I'm gonna stick with the romance. ._.'

[kazewa]

Well, I also wanted to post this speculation before, but funnily, I forget what I'm gonna post as it's weakness...

Spoiler:

Haruhi met John Smith. She then had subconscious wish to meet again with John Smith. Her god power granted that wish unconsciously, in contradiction of her logical thinking "even if John is a high schooler in North High, he would already graduated when I enter North High". That's why, Kyon chose North High, and met Haruhi. Maybe the very first class seating, the impulse for Kyon to took the initiative to talk to Haruhi, also the works of that power. Of course, Haruhi took a liking with Kyon, and she 'forgot' her wish about John Smith.

Well, I hope my far-from-perfect English didn't give the reader(s) a hard time understanding my words.

Btw, I also thinking that Haruhi has romantic feeling for Kyon, since I-don't-know-when xD

[quigonkenny]

Originally Posted by kazewa

Well, I also wanted to post this speculation before, but funnily, I forget what I'm gonna post as it's weakness...

Spoiler:

Haruhi met John Smith. She then had subconscious wish to meet again with John Smith. Her god power granted that wish unconsciously, in contradiction of her logical thinking "even if John is a high schooler in North High, he would already graduated when I enter North High". That's why, Kyon chose North High, and met Haruhi. Maybe the very first class seating, the impulse for Kyon to took the initiative to talk to Haruhi, also the works of that power. Of course, Haruhi took a liking with Kyon, and she 'forgot' her wish about John Smith.

Well, I hope my far-from-perfect English didn't give the reader(s) a hard time understanding my words.

Btw, I also thinking that Haruhi has romantic feeling for Kyon, since I-don't-know-when xD

Now that's just twisted enough to work. But I like to think Kyon has a little more free will than that...

BTW, guys, this is pretty much a spoiler happy thread, since all the current volumes of the novel have been out for quite some time. There's no need to use spoiler tags (unless you're posting a wall-o-text, in which case it's always courteous to use spoiler tags even if it doesn't contain any).

[dragon4dudes]

Well, the theory makes sense assuming the normal all events have a cause. Mikuru dragged Kyon back in time because she was ordered to. Another question arises, why was she ordered to return back in time? Was it because it was destined? Or was it to create a change in the order of events, as you mentioned? Let's assume it was to create a change. Then would Mikuru have existed in the first present as she does in the second present?

It's also possible that the alternate universe that Nagato created was actually the first instance of the universe that the SOS Brigade exists in. Haruhi chose Kouyouen High because it was the very best, or something like that. In some way shape or form, time travel came about. As they tested, they disturbed the flow of time and altered the events, all history, etc. in which it said the Haruhi instead attended North High to meet with Kyon (under alias of John Smith). As a result, Mikuru was dispatched to the current universe. It's an interesting theory, I just came up with it, lol....