Character Discussion - Maka & Soul

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by crystalalien87

i dont understand how they made maka such a strong character at the beginning and now she is like the weakest...? lets recap for a second... they almost made soul into a death scythe which means they had the most souls out of everybody? and now its like out of the 3 she is the weakest? its obvious if she fought black star she would lose and kid is a given.. the only way i can see her winning is if she uses the black blood with soul? other then that she just has smarts? i do hope she becomes stronger cuz its no fun watching her get her ass handed to her...

Yes, Maka does get stronger, however B*S and Kid have always been stronger than her, but it doesn't make her weak.

Originally Posted by Cub-Sama

Even with the black blood Black Star without a weapon is still deadly as his ability to use his wavelength as a weapon is suited to fight the Black Blood therefore if he uses the Fey Blade thing as well Maka with surely die. Black Star's power is probably on par with someone like Stein or Sid.

Maka wouldn't use Black Blood against B*S nor, does she need it. She put fight evenly when she gets a "certain other ability" along with using her brains.

Originally Posted by Cub-Sama

She isn't even near her mother's level yes Maka is talented and has potential no doubt about that but the lack of communication between Soul and Maka dulls their power in my opinion because stronger resolve and stronger bond = greater wavelength and resonance.

I disagree. If anything Maka and Soul have the strongest bond, those two contsisently match themselves to each other, while B*S never matchs himself to Tsubaki instead she matchs herself to him.

Originally Posted by Cub-Sama

Tsubaki and Black Star have a great bond and communicate and understand each other same with the Thompson Sisters and Kidd and added with Kidd and Black Star's talent/power it makes them seem ultra powerful.

Maka and Soul have shown to communicate with each other more than any of the other Meisters, and while they don't always understand another, whenever they do their SR are usually strongest out of the 3. It's much less mutual with B*S and Tsubaki as Tsubaki simply the "supporter" and normal let's B*S do whatever he wants.

[Cub-Sama]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Yes, Maka does get stronger, however B*S and Kid have always been stronger than her, but it doesn't make her weak.

She is kind of weak, alone Kidd, Sid, Stein, Black Star can fend for themselves but Maka is incapable of that.

Maka wouldn't use Black Blood against B*S nor, does she need it. She put fight evenly when she gets a "certain other ability" along with using her brains.

We are talking about a hypothetical situation we are not saying it will happen and can you honestly tell me that Maka can:

Spoiler for manga:

Defeat or fight evenly when facing Black Star using the fey blade mode with the Shadow Kata's, Black Star's wavelength is strong enough without a weapon in his resonance mode his wavelength could probably level a forest.

[QUOTE]I disagree. If anything Maka and Soul have the strongest bond, those two contsisently match themselves to each other, while B*S never matchs himself to Tsubaki instead she matchs herself to him.[/QUOTE

Maka and Soul have a strong bond but I disagree it is the strongest, out of all other bonds their bond is the only one that has almost broken and during the Tsubaki vs Masamune fight it showed me that Black Star and Tsubaki have a very strong bond. Also Kidd's bond must be especially strong if him and the sisters can match all their wavelengths together.

Maka and Soul have shown to communicate with each other more than any of the other Meisters, and while they don't always understand another, whenever they do their SR are usually strongest out of the 3. It's much less mutual with B*S and Tsubaki as Tsubaki simply the "supporter" and normal let's B*S do whatever he wants.

Maka and Soul keep the most secrets from each other how is that communicating, Maka doesnt tell Soul that she wants to protect him and Soul doesn't tell that to Maka, Soul doesn't tell Maka about his family, the little imp, the fear, the darkness none of that whilst Black Star and Tsubaki share almost everything. Also are you trying to tell me Kidd's Soul Resonance is weaker than Maka's or that B*S Fey Blade Resonance thing is weaker than Maka's, cos I have to disagree. Also B*S understands Tsubaki but he tries to change support her as well.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Cub-Sama

She is kind of weak, alone Kidd, Sid, Stein, Black Star can fend for themselves but Maka is incapable of that.

Most Meisters can't can fight that like since your example lisits either people who can used their Soulwavelength, or are Gods. Does that mean every Meister is weak? A Meister true power has always shown to come from a combination of his/her SR with his/her Weapon, the other things are just bonuses, but won't determine the outcome of a fight. A Meister can do well with out them.

We are talking about a hypothetical situation we are not saying it will happen and can you honestly tell me that Maka can:

Spoiler for manga:

Defeat or fight evenly when facing Black Star using the fey blade mode with the Shadow Kata's, Black Star's wavelength is strong enough without a weapon in his resonance mode his wavelength could probably level a forest.

Spoiler for manga:

Yes, for one thing we don't know all Demon Hunter's abilities. Second B*S isn't the only one in the series who does off-screen training, Maka for example during the Clown arc used a new technique Whirlwind Cutter.

and if your talking about when he was running through
the woods, that was in Demon Blade mode and he hardly levelled the forest.

Maka and Soul have a strong bond but I disagree it is the strongest, out of all other bonds their bond is the only one that has almost broken

Yet, despite that it didn't break did? In fact it only strengthern after that.

and during the Tsubaki vs Masamune fight it showed me that Black Star and Tsubaki have a very strong bond. Also Kidd's bond must be especially strong if him and the sisters can match all their wavelengths together.

I didn't say B*S and Tsubaki didn't have a strong bond, however that only one of the few times B*S actually acknowledge her rather than himself. As far Kid is concerned is it really surprising that he can function well two Weapons since he's a God?

Maka and Soul keep the most secrets from each other how is that communicating, Maka doesnt tell Soul that she wants to protect him and Soul doesn't tell that to Maka, Soul doesn't tell Maka about his family, the little imp, the fear, the darkness none of that whilst Black Star and Tsubaki share almost everything.

Maka knows about all of that except Soul's family, Tsubaki didn't know about B*S history until the Masamune arc and B*S didn't know Tsubaki's family either until a later arc.

Also are you trying to tell me Kidd's Soul Resonance is weaker than Maka's or that B*S Fey Blade Resonance thing is weaker than Maka's, cos I have to disagree. Also B*S understands Tsubaki but he tries to change support her as well.

Spoiler for manga:

Maka's Demon Hunter is only thing that strong enough to hurt Asura so, yeah it is. B*S SR is more about speed and versatility than power anyway, and Kid hasn't gotten any stronger since the start of the Manga.

[Reincarnated]

Please remind urself that Stein did say when they first met , that Soul and Maka seemed in resonance then they don't. Soul almost being a death scythe because Maka is smart , finding their enemy's weakness , and (maybe) they pwned the weaklings.

About the bond , maybe I'm wrong about them being strongest , but their bond are strong. Without words , have the most secrets between them yet they can still understand each other. Maka is stubborn and usually , Soul lost to her stubborness (during Chrona fight). Despite of that ,

Spoiler:

Soul admits the Maka is the one who saved him from the darkness , and have to be stronger for her sake

And because they have so many secrets , when it's revealed their bond are shaken , but after they overwhelmed that , they become stronger.

If you said the power here is physical power , yes Maka is the weakest among the three. But when it comes to negative spells that I even doubt Black Star can dispel it , Maka has her wavelength to be immune of that.

[lmd_84]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Spoiler for manga:

Maka's Demon Hunter is only thing that strong enough to hurt Asura so, yeah it is. B*S SR is more about speed and versatility than power anyway, and Kid hasn't gotten any stronger since the start of the Manga.

Point of clarification there:

Spoiler:

If I recall correctly, the Clown isn't Asura himself. It is the manifestation of Asura's insanity being contagious. We don't know what effect Demon Hunter would have upon Asura, but we do know Maka can combat his insanity to some extent. Which, under the circumstances, is still quite the achievement.

Seeing as I've been reminded that Maka's 'Demonslayer wavelength' referred to in ch55 isn't the new thing I thought it was (!), it looks to me (again, could be wrong) that Maka's having her own skills built up with regards to facing Asura and his consequences.

The recent manga chapters shows Kid's potential in a big way. Depressing, but big.

[HayashiTakara]

A master technician doesn't need to have a bond to use a weapon. They can alter their wavelengths to whatever it needs to be, like Stein, he can use anything. Black Star is prodigy in soul wavelength manipulation.

[lmd_84]

But only offensively. When it comes to understanding other people's soul wavelengths, he's useless and has admitted as such (couldn't feel Asura's insanity until it was too late). The fact that experienced Techs don't need to have too strong a bond doesn't make it any less important for the students to understand the whole soul theory side of combat. Presumably if the wavelengths of, say, Yumi and Sid seriously conflict at any point, he won't be able to use her.

And examples like Spirit and Stein rather tells us that not needing a positive bond (due to Stein's manipulative genius) isn't entirely a good thing. Spirit at least was screwed up by the whole situation.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

A master technician doesn't need to have a bond to use a weapon. They can alter their wavelengths to whatever it needs to be, like Stein, he can use anything. Black Star is prodigy in soul wavelength manipulation.

No, he's just strong. He's not particularly good at changing his wavelength.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by lmd_84

Point of clarification there:

Spoiler:

If I recall correctly, the Clown isn't Asura himself. It is the manifestation of Asura's insanity being contagious. We don't know what effect Demon Hunter would have upon Asura, but we do know Maka can combat his insanity to some extent. Which, under the circumstances, is still quite the achievement.

Seeing as I've been reminded that Maka's 'Demonslayer wavelength' referred to in ch55 isn't the new thing I thought it was (!), it looks to me (again, could be wrong) that Maka's having her own skills built up with regards to facing Asura and his consequences.

The recent manga chapters shows Kid's potential in a big way. Depressing, but big.

Ah, I see. Well in either she more poweful than some give her credit for. Just because she's brain doesn't she can't have solid fighting skill s to back her up. She isn't the best but, Maka is close enough.

[Zoe]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

No, he's just strong. He's not particularly good at changing his wavelength.

Yes. Tsubaki's the only one who can be his partner because HER wavelength accomodates his.

[Reincarnated]

I'm wondering if someday Maka can change her wavelength as she wishes just like Stein , since she has that soul perception ability.

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

Just because she's brain doesn't she can't have solid fighting skill s to back her up. She isn't the best but, Maka is close enough.

well...although when she's angry she is as reckless as BlackStar
she has a fighting skill , but not as strong as BlackStar. Eventhough all fighting in Soul Eater doesn't only require physical power , but mental and soul power is very important as well.

[Iron Maw]

Originally Posted by Reincarnated

I'm wondering if someday Maka can change her wavelength as she wishes just like Stein , since she has that soul perception ability.

I could certainly see that happening, it something that seems right up her alley.

well...although when she's angry she is as reckless as BlackStar
she has a fighting skill , but not as strong as BlackStar. Eventhough all fighting in Soul Eater doesn't only require physical power , but mental and soul power is very important as well.

She doesn't have to be though. Just strong enough to hold her own in which case she is.

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by Iron Maw

I could certainly see that happening, it something that seems right up her alley.

I'm not so sure. She seems a bit too rigid for it.

[Reincarnated]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I'm not so sure. She seems a bit too rigid for it.

yes , for now. I do hope she can do that in the future though. Her understanding Chrona's wavelength is a way to go IMO.

[Zoe]

And she can use Tsubaki (though again, that may be because it's Tsubaki). It doesn't feel like she'd be too far off from the sisters either.

[Katocchi]

^ but in Anime She didn't use Tsubaki ..

[Zoe]

Originally Posted by Katocchi

^ but in Anime She didn't use Tsubaki ..

But she did in the manga.

[Reincarnated]

Originally Posted by Katocchi

but in Anime She didn't use Tsubaki ..

That's because of the stupid BONES yet I want to see Maka wields Tsubaki so much. It'll be a point towards her future after all.

Hm but she can't see through a soul protect yet ^^;
It'll be even better if Maka's mom showed up then teach her a proper way to use the soul perception ability like Stein does

[Anh_Minh]

I'd rather mom taught her how to fight.

[Iron Maw]

She is using it the proper way. It's just something that's going to evolve on it's own like BJ's.