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View Poll Results: Vote for your favorite Shakugan no Shana character | |||
Yuji Sakai | 99 | 28.86% | |
Shana | 252 | 73.47% | |
Alastor | 66 | 19.24% | |
Kazumi Yoshida | 52 | 15.16% | |
Wilhelmina Carmel | 112 | 32.65% | |
Margery Daw | 61 | 17.78% | |
Fumina Konoe | 34 | 9.91% | |
Pheles | 62 | 18.08% | |
Hecate | 84 | 24.49% | |
Bel Peol | 6 | 1.75% | |
Sydonay | 8 | 2.33% | |
Other | 56 | 16.33% | |
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2009-07-24, 23:45 | Link #70 |
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^ Hey, it's possible that redemption through death is exactly what the author has in mind for Kazumi. I mean, she was less than ineffectual as a love rival and influenced the Shanaverse very little in general, so her very reason for existing just might be to play a crucial part in the good guys' victory by going out with a bang at the right moment. But just imagine how many people would be royally pissed off if the author has Kazumi summoning Pheles and ends up surviving somehow!
While I'm in this thread, I might as well weigh in on its topic. Aside from the usual suspects (Shana, Yuji, etc.), I must say I actually have something of a weakness for Hecate. I find her "purity" and her aloof yet quietly determined temperament rather appealing. It's also poignant that there's an emptiness within her that cries out to be filled. She just happens to be on the side of evil, of course, but still... I've read that Hecate comes across very differently in the novels (which I haven't read aside from III), so maybe it's only anime-Hecate that I find appealing. Last edited by mitsuganae; 2009-07-25 at 00:19. |
2009-07-25, 22:38 | Link #71 |
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Just saw Shantan and Yoshida is actually kind of cool in that, all devious and everything But yeah having herobtain that Hougu probably has more purpose than just torturing her over the choice of whether to use it or not.
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2009-07-27, 02:35 | Link #72 | |
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Besides that, although Pheles is a powerful Crimson Lord, I think that she cannot easily defeat the 3 Trinities such as Sydonay, Hecate and Bel Peol. Using Giraida is not a sure-win method, though.
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2009-07-27, 02:58 | Link #73 |
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^ I've never said Pheles has enough power to get everything done. But she can be one (possibly crucial) element that contributes to saving Yuji (if indeed he will be saved) and defeating the bad guys. Even though her motive may be to save Johan, Yuji may also end up being saved as a result. The defeat of evil will obviously be a team effort (and I'm saying that Pheles may be a part of that effort), even though Shana will (most likely) deliver the coup de grāce.
The author can use/manipulate the Shanaverse and make all sorts of scenarios possible (I just hope things won't get as convoluted as, say, Harry Potter VII). Of course Kazumi's hougu might be just a red herring, but my intuition tells me that Kazumi and Pheles have a (possibly crucial) role to play in the story's climactic plateau. Last edited by mitsuganae; 2009-07-27 at 03:23. |
2009-07-27, 04:55 | Link #74 |
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I see your point and I agree with you. Just then, I would like to highlight that Pheles is certainly selfish enough to deceive Kazumi into thinking Yuji can be saved by using Giraida. There is no guarantee that by summoning Pheles, she will try to save Yuji. I am all for Yuji and Shana to be together in the end, but I do not want to see Yoshida sacrificing herself for nothing.
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2009-07-27, 05:54 | Link #75 |
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I certainly don't deny Pheles's selfishness (though pre-Johan Pheles must've been a whole lot worse, judging from what Wilhelmina says). Aside from a scenario where saving Johan also saves Yuji (by setting up some kind of Shanaverse condition that one cannot be saved without the other), another possibility is that Shana (and others) will ensure that Yuji will be saved by somehow keeping Pheles in line while saving Johan.
[Incidentally, I've always found it wonderfully symbolic that Yuji carries a benevolent being and a malevolent being within him. I wonder if the author intends to make something of this, such as some kind of symbolic conflict between the two, or by underlining that both have to be somehow expelled from Yuji for things to work out.] Also, if Kazumi's death by using the hougu (unless a Disney death or some convoluted plot point/trope/whatever ends up sparing her life) contributes to Yuji's salvation and being with Shana in the end, I wouldn't regard it as a sacrifice for nothing. IMHO it would be much like, say, Goethe's Egmont, Leroux's Erik, or (in a way) Romeo and Juliet -- a posthumous triumph of the spirit. It's certainly a noble enough way to go, methinks. Last edited by mitsuganae; 2009-07-27 at 06:30. |
2009-07-28, 01:29 | Link #76 |
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Yes, I feel the same way. The author always has interesting storyline to keep us excited for more. I think you also noticed that Yuji has the strongest malevolent being, whereas Shana is contracted to the strongest benevolent being, Alastor. It does serve as a strong contrast, similar to the one you just mentioned. Let's assume that Yoshida does sacrifice herself at the Episode 24 of the second season of the series. When Pheles is being summoned, she will probably say :"Thank you, Hecate for doing the hard work of extracting Reiji Maigo from Yuji". She then takes the Reiji Maigo and releases Johan. And, off they go without saving Yuji. If that happens, that is I mean by Yoshida sacrificing herself for nothing.
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2009-08-28, 02:43 | Link #77 |
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I only vote for Hecate n Wilhelmina coz I like calm,
quite n mysterious girl,they're cute in my opinion I found other characters are annoying n uncool(no offence) especially Yuuji-who's useless in my opinion-, Shana-always mad at Yuuji,if she likes him,just be honez- ,Yoshida-at first I found her cute,but later=annoying please,no offence! oh,no!!!!forgOt to vote for Pheles!T^T |
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