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In episode 5 and 6 he comes to terms with being a soldier and realises he and his teammates are putting their lives at risk and losses can happen easily. In Episode 7, Truth essentially steals Naru away from him and in doing so Ao becomes obsessed with taking him down. In Episode 8 his relationship with Fleur is developed more as they realise they both share a certain similarity. In Episode 9, Ao refuses to take Rebecka’s bait and bring political beliefs into the equation when ordered not to deal with a Secret. In Episode 10, Ao reverses the Pied Piper symbolism quite spectacularly. Static? I don’t think so. Quote:
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2012-07-16, 07:44 | Link #1702 | |
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From what we know she isn't Elena and she isn't Miller... So who is she? There is a possibility sh came through this world by Scub Burst. She knows more than she lets on. She "discovers" what looks like Nirvash Type TheEnd at Gen Bleu's basement and tells the America... Why? She also know Eureka is gonna give birth in this reality and that she has issues with her. Could Elena be another adopted child by the Thurstons? Maybe but I have a felling the pink hair is a red herring for relation to Anemone. |
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2012-07-16, 08:18 | Link #1703 |
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finally!! glad I held off watching more till the story moves on a bit more. All the previous episodes just drag so much with nothing more than defeating Secrets (and we don't even know what the purpose of the secrets are, why they only appear when there's a scub burst, and what they intend to do with it).
so glad to see original characters returning not just as a tease (like Claus and Lavi in Last Exile Fam), but actually contributing to the plot and having lots of screentime! but it's sad to see that Eureka never got to spend time to see her son grow up, and now that she's with him she doesn't realise it's him. If in the end Ao is going to stay in this past timeline, I'm gonna be pissed off that he and Eureka (and Renton too) don't get to spend quality time together as a proper family!
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2012-07-16, 08:50 | Link #1704 |
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You know I getting exasperated in correcting the notion Eureka time traveled to her world's past when what she did was travel to another universe.
This is the first time that Eureka visited AO universe. As evidenced by having a copy of Nirvash Spec2 which has two cockpits. Renton is referenced building the Mark I. Eureka is 6 months pregnant. Eureka will return to her universe to Renton. But certain complications due to her child being a hybrid, baby Ao would have problems on high level Trapar E7 Earth. Eureka return to the AO universe 13 years earlier bringing the finished Nirvash Mark I, to give birth to Ao so he'll survive. Eureka disappears 2 years later in a Scub Burst extracting Quarts. |
2012-07-16, 11:11 | Link #1708 | |
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She might be one of the trio adopted sibling, but the age gap isn't big enough, for that to be possible. Someone show a photo of Elena as a child and it seem she has a different color hair (blonde) and light skin. I recall the old series has a villain with pink hair and the same race as Eureka. Either way, I hope she not the same as "Truth".
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As for the other matters, they occur on such a detached manner that it never really begs me to care. The show has done a remarkably poor job on connecting on a personal level through its characters emotions and feelings in comparison to its predecessor. I'm sure you've heard the saying, "one death is a tragedy, a million is just a statistic." And not to reflect nicely on the person who stated it, but these words ring true. How do you truly deliver the weight of the actions on screen? By getting into the personal stories of a character, getting put in their shoes and experiencing what they feel. This has been absent for much of the story during these episodes. Their lone attempt at such a personalized death was team goldilock's leader. However, we barely knew the guy, so when he died I did not care at all about it. This established zero connection with the audience. And lets not mention the rest of team goldilocks are a bunch of annoying female children (Every pilot but Ao is a female child HMMMMMM???). I cannot even take the story seriously when you're supposed to be empathizing with a loli child who for most of her introduction just seemed really immature and can barely enunciate her words, and all of a sudden is supposed to be paragon of wisdom compared to Ao. Sorry just no. The episode about Elena's identity was an even bigger joke to me because she is the most awful character in the show. All she does is make jokes with otaku references and barely had a semblance of a genuine personality that seemed human, and now they expect us to sit here and be like "Oh cool backstory?" This is not how characterization works. You first establish a reason to be interested, then you delve into her story. Elena never earned this, and so I could not care at all about what was happening. Plus if I recall that episode correctly, the first half of it was spent doing absolutely pointless crap before anything of interest started happening. Quote:
He joined generation bleu. Sure, but you know what? He already had a complex about his mother from episodes 1-3 and his decision to join was practically made for him by the events around him rather than his own will. He had to go because of what just took place on his island. I'm also not quite sure he ever really came to terms with anything regarding being a soldier. This character arc of his hasn't moved forward, it's only been introduced. He still hasn't come to an answer yet, however, I'm not blaming these episodes for that since this won't be resolved till later. Ao thirsting for revenge or justice is also not really growth. Ao still takes crazy risks, ignores orders at times, and does other crap, but he has never been forced to truly reevaluate himself or change in this show. A character who does not grow, and who we have become increasingly detached to until recently just isn't that interesting to me. Quote:
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Which I stated were the episodes I most enjoyed so far in this story . If they ever utilized in a way that actually mattered like Muv Luv.
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2012-07-16, 19:04 | Link #1713 |
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A down-2-earth anime will show the mecha losing terribly because of being outnumbered, unwieldy and impractical, and ultimately have a fighter reign supreme, only to then have Humanity crash and burn for taking too long to build it.
Not even muvluv manages that, so that's no down-2-earth anime.
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2012-07-16, 19:15 | Link #1714 | |
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2012-07-16, 19:56 | Link #1715 |
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The preview in the episode hints that another "monster of the week" will intervene in the fight between truth and the 2 Nirvashes, and Ao eventually learns something that will "drive him into despair". Can't wait to find out what further info will we find out from Truth in the next episode.
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2012-07-16, 20:42 | Link #1716 | |
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2012-07-17, 01:09 | Link #1717 | |
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And this isn't even Gekkostate! This is GenBlue, something that's more military-like even in appeara---- ahaha sorry couldn't say that with a straight face, all these little girls in pilot seats must've distracted me. That one time he tried to leave on Nirvash he just kinda got a pat on the head. I mean come on, even Shinji got his crap slapped when he did really stupid things. Oh well! Absolutely agree with Reckoner about mishandling of Bruno and Elena. |
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2012-07-17, 04:52 | Link #1719 | |||||||
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Let me give you an idea of how I felt about Elena: When we were first introduced to Elena, I found her funny and charming but i was ultimately disappointed because it seemed the most we would ever get out of her otaku references and fanservice. Then we were shown a completely different side to her when she met Truth in Episode 7. She wasn’t just wearing completely different clothes but it seemed this new identity was a hidden one. Not only that but she was also uncharacteristically calm at seeing Truth murder a whole bunch of people right in her face. And Truth showed an interest in her as well, telling her that she “sings the truth” which she reacted too. It should be noted that the theme of that episode seemed to be hidden identities what with Truth shape shifting, Rebecka and Stanley colluding behind their boss’s back and Elena having her own secret identity. And given the episode title was “No one is innocent”, I’m pretty sure it’s safe to say that was meant to be the hook you were looking for. In Episode 11, Elena’s character is explored completely. No it doesn’t start half way through. It starts immediately with Gazelle investigating Elena and Mirror’s past (I don’t know why you find the thought of Elena’s company catching on to her hidden identity and actually investigating, not interesting). Not only do we find out that she has a major identity crisis but we also find out she’s connected to Eureka and that she potentially murdered someone. As I said before, I was disappointed with her because it seemed she wasn’t going to be anyone. That’s actually what the storywriters intended. They lulled us into a false belief that Elana was just there for otaku references and fanservice and then they hit us with all this. Because the last person you’d expect to have a connection to Eureka and a murder is the girl that’s only seemingly there as comic relief. They took that trope and subverted it hard. That was the point. And I thought it was brilliant. Quote:
Character expansion can be an extremely effective method of good characterisation. If you're really good then you don't even need character change. Take Iskander from Fate/Zero for example. Probably the most popular character in that series (at least on this forum) and he never went through any sort of change. Just a heck of a lot of character expansion. I'm not saying that's what Ao has to be but it seems clear to me that character expansion is a legitimate way of characterization. Quote:
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In comparison Muv Luv seems to be more straightforward. Aliens have invaded and countires collaborate to defeat a common enemy. There seems to be some issues with cooperation but I think it’s very unlikely we’ll see anything on the same level as Eureka Seven AO. But really we’re only three episodes in so making any comparisons to begin would be premature.
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2012-07-17, 08:55 | Link #1720 |
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Okay, here's the problem with the children soldiers concept.
It's practically forced here. It's been implied very thoroughly that Generation Blue does not operate simply on righteous ideas and that there are undercover issues driving the organization. Do... Do the Secrets even need a beating? What is required for IFO pilots, exposition to trapar? But Scubs have been coming for quite a long period of time now. So all these reasons to put small girls in pilot seats seem rather contrived and the moral drama of leading children into battle falls flat on its face. It doesn't always happen in this show though. Gazelle's daddy issues and Ao's sentiment about not wanting to disappoint the upcoming generation come through but then you have these members of this organization feeling remorse about exploiting kids and... what? Huh? And believe me, every time Truth appears he tends to cloud people's judgement about finer points that might be happening around just because of how horrendous he himself is presented. |
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