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ramlaen · 2016-12-13, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Key Board

..I can already see deplorables getting annoyed by this ( politics should stay out of fiction! SJWs blah blah blah)

Showing tolerance by being intolerant of people with different opinions.

Theft · 2016-12-14, 20:41

Looks weird

Key Board · 2016-12-15, 03:18

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Originally Posted by ramlaen

Showing tolerance by being intolerant of people with different opinions.

"We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant." -- Karl Popper

Random Wanderer · 2016-12-15, 11:09

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Originally Posted by Key Board

"We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant." -- Karl Popper

The series may be political, but that doesn't mean we need to descend into an external debate about politics here. Doing so leads to disaster.

Harry Dresden · 2016-12-15, 11:25

First of all, if we are to use the word "politics" the way the internet does, then EVERYTHING is "political". Anything that has meaning or context, anything that presents a theme or opinion is "political" in that meaning. Thus nothing can be discussed if we follow that logic. Not a single work. because every single narrative, by the very definition of narrative is there to make a point about something. Every narrative is written by human being and thought up by the process of thought present within human mind.

Albeit the things like tolerance, sexuality, social issues or concepts of equality are not in true definition of "politics". Its not "political". Its an inherent human rights. So the ongoing theme some people usually push about how it is "politics" or "pandering" is kind of baffling to me. Yes, the idea of discriminating against other races WAS part of certain political movements in the past, but that's not something that is acceptable in modern society. The inherent right of all humans being equal is not a "political leaning" or some sort of debate. Its just that - an inherent right.

There's absolutely nothing wrong in actually analyzing and talking about what the series presents and why. That's what a narrative exists for in the first place.

If we look into the series talking about actual real world meaning of word politics(as in discussing actual governing political structures, elections, etc), unless someone here feels very strongly about Japanese government, I can't really see anyone actually bothering to talk about political critique presented in this work. Concrete Revolutio was far more critical of the japanese government and it did not cause any upheaval.

Utsuro no Hako · 2016-12-15, 12:45

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Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

First of all, if we are to use the word "politics" the way the internet does, then EVERYTHING is "political". Anything that has meaning or context, anything that presents a theme or opinion is "political" in that meaning. Thus nothing can be discussed if we follow that logic. Not a single work. because every single narrative, by the very definition of narrative is there to make a point about something. Every narrative is written by human being and thought up by the process of thought present within human mind.

Albeit the things like tolerance, sexuality, social issues or concepts of equality are not in true definition of "politics". Its not "political". Its an inherent human rights. So the ongoing theme some people usually push about how it is "politics" or "pandering" is kind of baffling to me. Yes, the idea of discriminating against other races WAS part of certain political movements in the past, but that's not something that is acceptable in modern society. The inherent right of all humans being equal is not a "political leaning" or some sort of debate. Its just that - an inherent right.

Exactly. We might as well argue whether Assassination Classroom and Baka & Test are political for criticizing the Japanese education system, or A Silent Voice for shining a light on the treatment of the disabled in Japan, or Wandering Son for providing a positive portrayal of transgender teens, or any yuri or BL series for normalizing homosexuality, etc., etc. Some people think that anything that critiques society or shows a different facet of it than they're used to is excessively political. Clearly this is not a show for them.

Random Wanderer · 2016-12-15, 12:54

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Originally Posted by Harry Dresden

First of all, if we are to use the word "politics" the way the internet does, then EVERYTHING is "political". Anything that has meaning or context, anything that presents a theme or opinion is "political" in that meaning. Thus nothing can be discussed if we follow that logic. Not a single work. because every single narrative, by the very definition of narrative is there to make a point about something. Every narrative is written by human being and thought up by the process of thought present within human mind.

Albeit the things like tolerance, sexuality, social issues or concepts of equality are not in true definition of "politics". Its not "political". Its an inherent human rights. So the ongoing theme some people usually push about how it is "politics" or "pandering" is kind of baffling to me. Yes, the idea of discriminating against other races WAS part of certain political movements in the past, but that's not something that is acceptable in modern society. The inherent right of all humans being equal is not a "political leaning" or some sort of debate. Its just that - an inherent right.

There's absolutely nothing wrong in actually analyzing and talking about what the series presents and why. That's what a narrative exists for in the first place.

If we look into the series talking about actual real world meaning of word politics(as in discussing actual governing political structures, elections, etc), unless someone here feels very strongly about Japanese government, I can't really see anyone actually bothering to talk about political critique presented in this work. Concrete Revolutio was far more critical of the japanese government and it did not cause any upheaval.

None of this is my point. Discussing various political and/or social concepts in regards to how they are used within the series itself is fine. That's on-topic and perfectly reasonable. Using it as a springboard into a discussion about real world politics and/or social concepts external to the series is not fine. That's a flamebait scenario that eats up thread space with off-topic, highly volatile discussion. That can happen very easily: I've seen it happen in previous animes with a heavy political slant. It's something that should be watched for and avoided.

Stark700 · 2017-03-23, 04:03

Coming for July (Summer 2017)

12 episodes
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...n-july/.113786

Flower · 2017-03-23, 10:47

O.O

All of the sudden Summer is beginning to show some signs of being interesting for me - before this announcement and Made in Abyss a day or so ago it was looking bleak for series I might enjoy, but all of the sudden ... yay!

Of course whether or no the adaptations will be good ones is a different issue, but at least thisis a beginning!

Although now that I think of it Clione, Youkai Apato and Tsure-dure Children all show possibilities too - but this and Abyss are more series I have a high level of anticipation for. Sometimes having just a handful of series like that each season can make that season work better for me on the whole.

moodie · 2017-03-23, 10:53

what a shitty studio

RIP my hype

AntonKutovoi · 2017-03-23, 10:55

Damn, I hoped for 24 episodes. Too bad. It's a really good manga and I hope anime will do it justice, though the studio looks very suspicious.

Random Wanderer · 2017-03-23, 20:25

As long as this is adapted well, I'm looking forward to it. Gives me something to watch in the summer.

Harry Dresden · 2017-03-24, 02:24

That production staff....Oh boy oh boy oh boy.

This will be bad.

The animation director's actual directing resume is extremely limited and in no way good. Otherwise he is "that guy who worked on animation of some scenes in single episodes and specials of some shows". Yeaaaaash....
The actual director worked on such masterpieces as Etotama and Ro-Kyu-Bu! SS and yet again not much in terms of resume.

The studio pulled off "masterpieces" like Hitori No Shiita Outcast.

AT best they will just mishandle the material focusing on fanservice. At worse they will do badly even at that.

Nachtwandler · 2017-03-24, 02:38

Etotama was a good comedy/parody series with great animation. If you did not like it, it does not make it bad.

Marcus H. · 2017-03-24, 02:52

Etotama was different. It was backed up by decent 3D CGI.

Harry Dresden · 2017-03-24, 02:57

Etotama was by the numbers comedy backed up by otherwise decent production staff and okay animation.

While Centaur's Worries has comedic moments, its absolutely different kind of work from that and requires a director who is capable handling complex subjects and themes. Different level of skill and talent needed. And this time the rest of production team and animation studio seems to be just as bad if not worse as the director.

Marcus H. · 2017-03-24, 03:45

I'm personally worried about how they will handle the societal issues. Demi-chan managed to make it tasteful enough while not boring the audience, but it could be handled too seriously and spoil the dish in the process.

And another worry: it's a Chinese firm doing a show that tackles Japanese societal issues. That's a recipe for disaster, really.

Harry Dresden · 2017-03-24, 04:08

I'd say Demi-Chan fell flat on its face when being adapted too. It was nowhere near the disaster this is shaping up to be but Demi-chan just feels thoroughly dull and required a far stronger director in order to make the dialogue enjoyable. As it stands it ended up just being your average SOL with dialogues (the very point of DemiChan) lacking presentation and focus they needed

This is even more worrisome though - not only the pedigree needed for an adaptation is nowhere to be seen, but hte studio is worrisome both because it is relatively bad studio(the only good thing they ever done was To Be Hero), but as already said having chinese studio do show that is essentially exploration of Japanese political landscape, society and laws is eeeeeeeh.

Marcus H. · 2017-03-24, 04:46

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I'd say Demi-Chan fell flat on its face when being adapted too. It was nowhere near the disaster this is shaping up to be but Demi-chan just feels thoroughly dull and required a far stronger director in order to make the dialogue enjoyable. As it stands it ended up just being your average SOL with dialogues (the very point of DemiChan) lacking presentation and focus they needed

That's much better than what some anime with serious talk moments get.

Harry Dresden · 2017-03-25, 04:09

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Originally Posted by Marcus H.

That's much better than what some anime with serious talk moments get.

Yes it is a widespread problem in this medium, that's pretty much a given sadly.

However not many anime that exist are focused specifically on two characters having a dialogue about something(Barring maybe monogatari which executes it flawlessly), like DemiChan(I mean the show is literally called Interviews with the Demis). So it especially is felt here.

Also not many "anime with serious talk moments" explore sensitive subjects that Centaur's Worries does. So doing it poorly can be even worse here.

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Harry Dresden Paranoid Zebra Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Demonreach	First of all, if we are to use the word "politics" the way the internet does, then EVERYTHING is "political". Anything that has meaning or context, anything that presents a theme or opinion is "political" in that meaning. Thus nothing can be discussed if we follow that logic. Not a single work. because every single narrative, by the very definition of narrative is there to make a point about something. Every narrative is written by human being and thought up by the process of thought present within human mind. Albeit the things like tolerance, sexuality, social issues or concepts of equality are not in true definition of "politics". Its not "political". Its an inherent human rights. So the ongoing theme some people usually push about how it is "politics" or "pandering" is kind of baffling to me. Yes, the idea of discriminating against other races WAS part of certain political movements in the past, but that's not something that is acceptable in modern society. The inherent right of all humans being equal is not a "political leaning" or some sort of debate. Its just that - an inherent right. There's absolutely nothing wrong in actually analyzing and talking about what the series presents and why. That's what a narrative exists for in the first place. If we look into the series talking about actual real world meaning of word politics(as in discussing actual governing political structures, elections, etc), unless someone here feels very strongly about Japanese government, I can't really see anyone actually bothering to talk about political critique presented in this work. Concrete Revolutio was far more critical of the japanese government and it did not cause any upheaval.

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Harry Dresden Paranoid Zebra Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Demonreach	That production staff....Oh boy oh boy oh boy. This will be bad. The animation director's actual directing resume is extremely limited and in no way good. Otherwise he is "that guy who worked on animation of some scenes in single episodes and specials of some shows". Yeaaaaash.... The actual director worked on such masterpieces as Etotama and Ro-Kyu-Bu! SS and yet again not much in terms of resume. The studio pulled off "masterpieces" like Hitori No Shiita Outcast. AT best they will just mishandle the material focusing on fanservice. At worse they will do badly even at that.

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Harry Dresden Paranoid Zebra Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Demonreach	Etotama was by the numbers comedy backed up by otherwise decent production staff and okay animation. While Centaur's Worries has comedic moments, its absolutely different kind of work from that and requires a director who is capable handling complex subjects and themes. Different level of skill and talent needed. And this time the rest of production team and animation studio seems to be just as bad if not worse as the director.

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Marcus H. Princess or Plunderer? Join Date: May 2009 Location: the Philippines	I'm personally worried about how they will handle the societal issues. Demi-chan managed to make it tasteful enough while not boring the audience, but it could be handled too seriously and spoil the dish in the process. And another worry: it's a Chinese firm doing a show that tackles Japanese societal issues. That's a recipe for disaster, really. __________________ Continuing: White Sand Aquatope (6/24) and Vanitas S2 (0/12), The Vampire Dies in No Time S2 and Bofuri S2 (3/12). 2021: Restaurant to Another World S2 (3/12), takt Op. Destiny (1/12) and Taisho Maiden Fairy Tale (1/12). 2022: Yuusha Yamemasu (1/12), Kaguya-sama S3, Mob Psycho 100 III (Oct06), Bleach: 1000 Year Blood War (2/13) and Chainsaw Man (6/12). Spring 2023: Yamada-kun to Lv999 no Koi wo Suru, Kuma Kuma Kuma Bear Punch! (4/12), Skip to Loafer, Tonikaku Kawaii S2 (1/12), Otonari ni Ginga (5/12) and Kimi wa Houkago Insomnia (3/13). Contact me on Wikia and MyAnimeList. Anime List Status ~ Watching: 33. Completed: 468. Plan to watch: 39.

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Harry Dresden Paranoid Zebra Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Demonreach	I'd say Demi-Chan fell flat on its face when being adapted too. It was nowhere near the disaster this is shaping up to be but Demi-chan just feels thoroughly dull and required a far stronger director in order to make the dialogue enjoyable. As it stands it ended up just being your average SOL with dialogues (the very point of DemiChan) lacking presentation and focus they needed This is even more worrisome though - not only the pedigree needed for an adaptation is nowhere to be seen, but hte studio is worrisome both because it is relatively bad studio(the only good thing they ever done was To Be Hero), but as already said having chinese studio do show that is essentially exploration of Japanese political landscape, society and laws is eeeeeeeh.