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Sakaki- · 2004-10-19, 07:39

Ok this has been eating me for a while, why do people leave them in if they aint gonna subtitle the talk there ?

Is it really that hard to translate a line that is the same every episode and put it in.

In my humble opinion if you dont sub it take it out.

Take Care
Sakaki-

JohnSilver · 2004-10-19, 08:28

Broadcast sponsor messages are funny, even when they're not translated. And it makes the sub more... official and cool looking. There's no point in removing them, if you ask me.

NinjaServ · 2004-10-19, 09:47

without the sponsors the show would not be on TV, I think the small advertisement screens should be left in AND translated.

Sakaki- · 2004-10-19, 11:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by NinjaServ

without the sponsors the show would not be on TV, I think the small advertisement screens should be left in AND translated.

I will meet you half-way, i think it's up to the group but if its left in it should be subed hehe.

Kenji Ikari · 2004-10-19, 18:36

Personally, I think they should be left in as well, though not necessarily subbed. Why?

It's sort of up to the group if they want to sub them or not, but taking them out is rather evil. As NinjaServ said, without them the show wouldn't even be on TV. IMO, taking them out would make fansubs one step closer to warez. Since they are property of the TV stations anyway, removing it would sort of be like de-facing them.

Soulfang · 2004-10-19, 18:52

A lot of raws already have them removed.

SirCanealot · 2004-10-19, 19:08

I agree, it annoys me that they are left in and not subbed.

Okay, leaving them in: respect for the original producers of the show+the TV station.
So, how am I suposed to know of the objects of respect when I've got a bunch of random kanji on screen, with a bunch of random Japanese? Maybe with a random "Macdonald's" or "Sony", or even "King Records", heh.

With no subs, it's just a pointless thing, wasting a few hundred k of space that could've been put towards the video/audio.

Also, one group I worked with told me to cut the sponsor message at the end, but leave the one after the op, and refused to sub them (though I think we did in the end). I dun get it.

If it was purely up to me though, I'd probably remove them. If you want me to pack encodes down to 175 megs, then you can live without them, haha :P
I'm cheap like that ^^
Look after the pennies, heh.

ChoBaka · 2004-10-19, 20:52

It only sounds cool and worthy of subbing because it's in a different language. If you understood all that stuff, it'd be just as boring as sponsor messages in English language TV broadcasts.

subcool · 2004-10-20, 09:37

some or most sponsor messages appear after the OP, its a hassle to cut those parts out.
And i dont mind to see the sponsors, i wouldn't mind seeing them subbed either.
If the translator chooses to translate em i'll put em in my encodes =P

as for other groups, its their choice...

SirCanealot · 2004-10-20, 10:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by subcool

some or most sponsor messages appear after the OP, its a hassle to cut those parts out.

Heh, encode it, then cut it out after encoding.

Sakaki- · 2004-10-21, 06:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by subcool

some or most sponsor messages appear after the OP, its a hassle to cut those parts out.
And i dont mind to see the sponsors, i wouldn't mind seeing them subbed either.
If the translator chooses to translate em i'll put em in my encodes =P

as for other groups, its their choice...

So 5 seconds worth of writing is a hassle ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

Heh, encode it, then cut it out after encoding.

Or just learn one of the most simple commands in avs called trim and you can cut them out fast and with out pain :P

Take Care
Sakaki-

subcool · 2004-10-21, 06:47

im too lazy to put that in my AVS's =P
besides the sponsors dont bother me.

ichido reichan · 2004-10-21, 13:14

I wish they could encode some of the japanese commercials, those are too funny.
and you know what enterprise is giving you "the show"

for example, on the episodes of "MONSTER" the sole sponsor is "Shogakukan" and this guys sells manga, books, toys, videogames etc, so the block of commercials are completely over shogakukan stuff.

and sometimes they show commercials of really cool anime that is unknown here.

I think if we are going to enjoy a stolen signal of a show, at least let them make you promotion of their product that maybe you will buy someday.

Uska · 2004-10-21, 14:02

On that i'm completely neutral. They don't bother me, and if they're missing I don't miss them. The Jubei-chan 2 ones at the end were cool tho.

SirCanealot · 2004-10-21, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sakaki-

Or just learn one of the most simple commands in avs called trim and you can cut them out fast and with out pain :P

Are you mad?
Doing it in VirtualDub is much less effort :P

Sakaki- · 2004-10-21, 18:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

Are you mad?
Doing it in VirtualDub is much less effort :P

No I'm not mad, just curious stuff.

Take Care
Sakaki-

K_R · 2004-10-23, 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by SirCanealot

Are you mad?
Doing it in VirtualDub is much less effort :P

Only newbies edit in vdub.

Sakaki- · 2004-10-23, 08:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by K_R

Only newbies edit in vdub.

*silently agree's*

SirCanealot · 2004-10-23, 09:05

So, there's something that works, but it's simple, and there's something else that works, but it takes more effort, so it's not l33t to use the simple/easy method?

Considering how simple the edit we're making is (cutting out a simple section post encoding), calling any method "newbie like" is insanely elitist, in my opinion. However, if you want to hold that opinion, please do not hold it after directly quoting me, as it insults myself and both the image I hold of you in my eyes.
Anyway, who said anything about editing together a TV program with VirtualDub? We have Final Cut Pro for that, heh.

ChibiGoku · 2004-10-23, 16:26

Just a little tidbit for you guys. The sponser messedge appears sometimes during the opening. (PaRappa The Rappers' Openings, Monster, SMLA, etc.).

2004-10-19, 07:39	Link #1
Sakaki- AnimeONE Typesetter Join Date: Nov 2003	Anime Broadcast sponsor message. Ok this has been eating me for a while, why do people leave them in if they aint gonna subtitle the talk there ? Is it really that hard to translate a line that is the same every episode and put it in. In my humble opinion if you dont sub it take it out. Take Care Sakaki-

2004-10-19, 08:28	Link #2
JohnSilver MS Technician Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Near the gates of Valhalla Age: 40	Broadcast sponsor messages are funny, even when they're not translated. And it makes the sub more... official and cool looking. There's no point in removing them, if you ask me.

2004-10-19, 09:47	Link #3
NinjaServ Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Age: 40	without the sponsors the show would not be on TV, I think the small advertisement screens should be left in AND translated.

2004-10-19, 18:36	Link #5
Kenji Ikari Lazy Fansubber Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: California Age: 38	Personally, I think they should be left in as well, though not necessarily subbed. Why? It's sort of up to the group if they want to sub them or not, but taking them out is rather evil. As NinjaServ said, without them the show wouldn't even be on TV. IMO, taking them out would make fansubs one step closer to warez. Since they are property of the TV stations anyway, removing it would sort of be like de-facing them.

2004-10-19, 18:52	Link #6
Soulfang Inactive Member Join Date: Nov 2003	A lot of raws already have them removed.

2004-10-19, 19:08	Link #7
SirCanealot What? I am washed up! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, England Age: 39	I agree, it annoys me that they are left in and not subbed. Okay, leaving them in: respect for the original producers of the show+the TV station. So, how am I suposed to know of the objects of respect when I've got a bunch of random kanji on screen, with a bunch of random Japanese? Maybe with a random "Macdonald's" or "Sony", or even "King Records", heh. With no subs, it's just a pointless thing, wasting a few hundred k of space that could've been put towards the video/audio. Also, one group I worked with told me to cut the sponsor message at the end, but leave the one after the op, and refused to sub them (though I think we did in the end). I dun get it. If it was purely up to me though, I'd probably remove them. If you want me to pack encodes down to 175 megs, then you can live without them, haha :P I'm cheap like that ^^ Look after the pennies, heh.

2004-10-19, 20:52	Link #8
ChoBaka Semi-retired Translator Join Date: May 2004 Location: Oregon	It only sounds cool and worthy of subbing because it's in a different language. If you understood all that stuff, it'd be just as boring as sponsor messages in English language TV broadcasts.

2004-10-20, 09:37	Link #9
subcool Arienai Co-Founder Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Holland Age: 40	some or most sponsor messages appear after the OP, its a hassle to cut those parts out. And i dont mind to see the sponsors, i wouldn't mind seeing them subbed either. If the translator chooses to translate em i'll put em in my encodes =P as for other groups, its their choice...

2004-10-21, 06:47	Link #12
subcool Arienai Co-Founder Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Holland Age: 40	im too lazy to put that in my AVS's =P besides the sponsors dont bother me.

2004-10-21, 13:14	Link #13
ichido reichan Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: reno Age: 47	I wish they could encode some of the japanese commercials, those are too funny. and you know what enterprise is giving you "the show" for example, on the episodes of "MONSTER" the sole sponsor is "Shogakukan" and this guys sells manga, books, toys, videogames etc, so the block of commercials are completely over shogakukan stuff. and sometimes they show commercials of really cool anime that is unknown here. I think if we are going to enjoy a stolen signal of a show, at least let them make you promotion of their product that maybe you will buy someday.

2004-10-21, 14:02	Link #14
Uska Guardian of the Seal Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Age: 37	On that i'm completely neutral. They don't bother me, and if they're missing I don't miss them. The Jubei-chan 2 ones at the end were cool tho.

2004-10-23, 09:05	Link #19
SirCanealot What? I am washed up! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: London, England Age: 39	So, there's something that works, but it's simple, and there's something else that works, but it takes more effort, so it's not l33t to use the simple/easy method? Considering how simple the edit we're making is (cutting out a simple section post encoding), calling any method "newbie like" is insanely elitist, in my opinion. However, if you want to hold that opinion, please do not hold it after directly quoting me, as it insults myself and both the image I hold of you in my eyes. Anyway, who said anything about editing together a TV program with VirtualDub? We have Final Cut Pro for that, heh.

2004-10-23, 16:26	Link #20
ChibiGoku FightingMagic Founder Join Date: May 2004	Just a little tidbit for you guys. The sponser messedge appears sometimes during the opening. (PaRappa The Rappers' Openings, Monster, SMLA, etc.).