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2009-07-30, 18:15 | Link #142 |
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Well, it's getting hot in here huh
Oda is just... Oda. Amazing storyline, WB just continues to impress me (have to wonder how strong Roger was), and about his DF he did crack the air, hasnt he? So I dont think it is limited to the earth. Oh yeah, loved the insight of marvelB about WB's laugh and his DF (Gurararara...). I love the admirals look, it's so baddass, especially Kizaru. Akainu remembers me of KoF, dont know why. And he does look older than the others (maybe not that much 'cus of his tatoo). About Ace, I have to agree that he became what he is now 'cus of his DF. I mean, we only saw him fighting with it (he even had a boat that moved 'cus of his skill), and the chapter which says about his non DF skills, it clearly says in the past when he did not have his DF. I dont think that after receiving his powers he would train his non DF skills (IMO it would be useless to do so). However, it's not like he would be useless without it, but it wouldn't be the same Ace I respect. And Luffy has to have THE BEST track record (he is the protagonist ). If someone mentions that Ace has WB, Luffy has Shanks and Dragon (beat that ). Anyway, what happened to Ace's freckles? And finally, Luffy and Zoro. They may be equal in strenght but I still believe that in a fight, even Zoro being a swordsman, Luffy would manage somehow to knock him out, maybe Gear 2+Gear 3+Haki... I just believe in him . |
2009-07-30, 18:41 | Link #144 |
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Damn, this chapter just made my life. Seriously, Oda, way to be PERFECT. <3 I'm especially loving the Whitebeard action and his relationship with Ace. While the Strawhat pirates share a bond that's based on very, very close friendship, the Whitebeard pirate have a distinctive family bond - presumably because of Whitebeard's age and insistence upon calling new recruits his sons. So to see another possible type of crewmate relationship, outside the norm of the Strawhats' default that we're accustomed to, is truly intriguing and touching. That said, Blackbeard's betrayal takes on an entirely new meaning - when he mutineed, Blackbeard wasn't just abandoning Whitebeard's ship and killing another crew member. He essentially committed fratricide.
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Besides, when did Asura = haki? Stop using speculation as evidence! If thats the case, then Diable Jambe could well be haki as well..
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2009-07-30, 20:13 | Link #146 | |
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Except that the book doesn't say that Zoro is as strong as Luffy.
I posted this on page 6, but it seems people missed it: Quote:
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2009-07-30, 20:46 | Link #149 |
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When fighting grunts, Luffy and Zoro will appear to be as strong as each other, because they are extremely powerful. They are said to have 'high battle capability', it is a general statement and a measure of their physical strength.
Only when fighting an opponent like Lucci, it will differentiate Luffy and Zoro's strength. Zoro can take a whole lot of beating and blood loss, but at his level can he take on opponents Luffy has faced? Luffy is able to shrug off his pain and injuries easily after sleeping and eating meat, he puts on his smile all the time. Does he hide his pain from his crew? Is he really that strong? When Zoro took Luffy's pain, he did so because he wanted to know how much his captain took. He wanted to know how much stronger his captain was to him. And after taking it, he never recovered back to his full strength, it shows that Zoro does not have as much strength as Luffy yet, the strength of his determination, or Haki. Zoro learnt how much more his captain bears for the crew than himself, Zoro wants to know how strong this man he chose to follow is. In the first place Kuma showed Zoro Luffy's pain because he wants to show Zoro just how great of a captain Luffy is. Luffy was a captain who willingly bears burden for his crew. Zoro accepts it because he wants to help his captain bear part of the burden, which he shows that he can't do so yet, becoming weak and failing to protect the crew against Kizaru. But this is not a bad thing for Zoro, as it will greatly aid his character development. Now that he has realised Luffy's strength, he will grow greatly to match his captain.
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2009-07-30, 20:49 | Link #150 |
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we'll never really know unless they fight to the death in the manga which i dont think will happen, at least not soon.
I believe Zoro can defeat luffy simply because swords > rubber "When Zoro took Luffy's pain, he did so because he wanted to know how much his captain took. He wanted to know how much stronger his captain was to him. And after taking it, he never recovered back to his full strength, it shows that Zoro does not have as much strength as Luffy yet, the strength of his determination, or Haki. Zoro learnt how much more his captain bears for the crew than himself, Zoro wants to know how strong this man he chose to follow is." your logic is either flawed or you just didn't read the chapter correctly. 1) zoro was already seriously dmged. Kuma mentioned this. He said zoro doesn't have much life left and if he takes on luffy's pain/fatigue he would die. However, zoro didn't die, he even remained standing. He proved Kuma wrong 2) luffy recovered seriously fast after the battle with moria because Kuma took away all his damage and gave it to zoro. I'm sure if luffy was the only guy up and all his crews were down and Kuma wanted Zoro's head, Luffy would do the same. |
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2009-07-30, 21:04 | Link #154 | |
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Stop talking crap. Besides, even if Zoro could beat Luffy because of this advantage, it wouldn't mean that Zoro is stronger then Luffy. Some fruits / weapons have an inherent advantage over others; this isn't an indication of the person's strength.
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2009-07-30, 21:08 | Link #156 | |
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Though I'm thinking in different view. I mean you're comparing how Luffy feels pain and how Zorro feels pain. I'm seeing here that Luffy is being better since he can hold on to his pain more than Zorro. But isn't unfair to based it like that since one has built in immunity and the other has not; The other feeling less pain from pain that could kill the other? (Meh, I dunno if I typed it clear...) |
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2009-07-30, 21:12 | Link #157 | |
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It's always courteous and respectful to back up your claims with some kind of reasoning. A simple "I am" doesn't quite suffice, I'm afraid.
Listen. If Ace's flames were as powerful and hot as you claim they are (and the evidence in the manga suggests otherwise), Blackbeard would have most likely been incinerated by them. All he suffered were some minor burns. That level of heat is far from being capable of turning sand into glass. Quote:
The funny thing is, Crocodile and Moria get a lot of flak just because they lost already, and are therefore perceived as being weak by a lot of fans; whereas Ace also lost (and pretty badly at that) against Blackbeard, and yet he doesn't get any flak whatsoever. I can call Ace a weakling just because he lost against Blackbeard. Is that true, though? No, it isn't. The point is, it's a fallacious argument to say that someone is weak just because they have a loss on their record, whether it be by circumstantial plot or simply being overwhelmed by a superior adversary. The impertinence of some One Piece fans really astounds me sometimes.
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2009-07-30, 21:15 | Link #158 | |
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2009-07-30, 21:16 | Link #159 | ||
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Thank god he declined, or else we wouldn't have our lovely animal theme! Its interesting actually, because he only set off 3 years ago. That would mean he was offered Shichibukai place around 2 years ago. We know that Moria became a Shichibukai 10 years ago, Croc was already Shichibukai 3 years before, Hancock was offered a place 11 years ago and Jimbei joined 8 years ago. So that would mean that since there was a spot open 2 years ago, either Kuma, Doflamingo or Mihawk joined then, unless ofcourse, there used to be more then 7 warlords, in which case the name of the group would not be Shi'chi'bukai. Quote:
The fruit is his weapon, just as much as a sword is Zoro's. If a guy fought with a sword and a shield, you wouldn't take it away from him just because it provided him with 'unfair' advantages right? Thats just dumb. The whole point of comparing characters is to see who wins after evaluating each of their advantages and disadvantages. ..
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For now, Luffy has defeated stronger opponents and took more damage than the rest of the crew, also stated that he has higher doriki than Zoro, this tells us that Luffy is stronger than Zoro. While Zoro is said to charge forward whenever there's a need, he still doesn't charge as far forward as Luffy. Its because Luffy charges straight for the toughest boss, he takes it for the crew, its his responsibility as the captain. You can say his personality makes him a reliable captain in a sense, he takes it for the crew and the crew supports him from behind.
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