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Isn't that what we're told is causing global warming? Don't say cars don't hurt the environment, because they do, so yes they do hurt. Then there is all the road kill of innocent animals hit by drivers in the course of their travelling. With computers you can steal a person's identity, ruin their life, and/or steal every digital dime from their bank accounts. In fact, a computer can be used to make someone commit suicide via cyberbullying. http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2012/10...n_1959668.html Bullying has also played a big role in school shootings like Virginia Tech, Columbine, etc.
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2012-12-18, 01:15 | Link #662 | ||
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As for ranchers, I think that hardly qualifies as your average civilian. More to the point, it doesn't change a damn thing I've said about guns. They are lethal tools, and the vast majority of people are not going to be using such tools on a day to day basis for their livelihood. Quote:
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2012-12-18, 01:32 | Link #663 | |
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I don't get the need to reach for computers and cars when swords were also mentioned and are a much better example.
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2012-12-18, 01:33 | Link #664 | ||
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I help many of the people in my community by hunting deer, paying for it to be butchered and dressed by a friend of mine in LaSalle, and then donating it to a local food bank. Quote:
It shows that guns have utility beyond just being "killing machines." Power tools can be lethal, so "lethal tools" is a bit misleading. A bow and arrow can be deadly, and has been used recently in a school attack in Wyoming. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-...-arrow-attack/ Vast majority? There are at least 80,000,000 gun owners, most of whom hunt, so I think you're a bit misinformed.
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2012-12-18, 01:34 | Link #665 | |
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Knives are an even better example.
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2012-12-18, 02:10 | Link #666 | |
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And a 90% of the time I use my firearms it is just on targets so please don't think that each round fired something dies. I'm sure if you asked any other hunter and they'd say similar things. You train and fire hundreds of rounds in preparation for delivering that one clean killing shot on your game. Hell, the number one reason I shoot is for recreation at home on the range with my mates. I'll fire up the BBQ down the paddock and we'll sling some lead down onto targets all afternoon. It's a great day out.
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2012-12-18, 02:16 | Link #667 | |
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I really miss that. I think my graduation present to myself will be a brand-new M1911A1... in two and a half years. Something to look forward to, at least?
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2012-12-18, 02:26 | Link #669 |
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It's clear that you've plugged up your ears and will not listen to reason. My only comfort in this whole ridiculous scene is that the media will quickly grow tired of their disgusting parade of this tragedy and people will stop running purely on knee-jerk reactions and uncontrolled emotions.
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2012-12-18, 02:34 | Link #670 | |
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However, all I ever contested in this thread is that the main purpose of a gun is to act as a lethal tool. This makes it different from computers,cars, and a whole slew of other examples people posted in this thread. The closest analogies in our society one can draw are things like swords and bows, which honestly are little different from guns in purpose, but have nowhere near the same potential for destructive power in the hands of the insane. I am willing to listen to reason, but not reason that is predicated on using mere sophistry to try and convince others.
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Oh, I know. Absolutely nothing. Now stop making up excuses about why people don't need to supplment their food via hunting. Quote:
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Because serial killers do not normally use guns at all and they kill far more over their monstrous careers. Quote:
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People use hunting as primary source of food ==/==> that is their only method of obtaining food. Quote:
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And in fact people who want to use it as a primary source of food better learn to butcher their own food, since it's more profitable that way . No thanks. Quote:
Ah, so it's an attack on gun ownership to say that guns are lethal tools different from the likes of a computer or car.
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__________________________________________________ ________________ Alright back to more relevent things: Austin Gun Store Owner Offers Teachers A Discount http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/12/17/a...rs-a-discount/ Chief Beck Wants To Start Program Where Officers Visit Schools At Least Once Per Day http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/...-once-per-day/ St. Louis County Police Chief: Arm School Personnel http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012...-the-teachers/ Glad to see there is stil some sanity left in the US.
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2012-12-18, 03:01 | Link #675 |
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My mother and brother probably get half their protein in a year from hunting. They live on a ranch. This isn't unusual for the entire region of that state. Despite what city dwellers might think, hunting remains a substantial portion of food acquisition in the rural US. In the Appalachia and Blue Mountain regions, it can be the only source of protein for many families.
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2012-12-18, 03:12 | Link #676 |
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I'm going to go on record and say that I don't oppose restrictions on firearm purchases. I don't oppose legally requiring proper training and safety courses for anyone who wants to purchase a firearm.
I support the idea that if you want to own a gun, you should have to register it--there should absolutely be a paper trail--and keep a close watch on it. If your weapons are stolen, you should report it and inform law enforcement of all its identifying characteristics (serial number, bore characteristics, appearance, any unique distinguishing features). I support the idea that in order to own a gun, you must pass a background check and be free of any mental defects or diseases that may cause you to go off your rocker. I support the idea that people convicted of violent crimes should not be allowed to own firearms. I support the idea that civilians should not own weapons capable of fully-automatic or three-shot-burst fire modes. I support harsh fines and punishment for illegal possession of weapons. I support the BATF spending their time cracking down on the black market trade of stolen, counterfeit and smuggled weapons--especially military-grade weapons. I support sensible regulations. I do not support "feel-good" nonsense like banning guns because they look "tacticool." I don't support media stereotypes that guns are inherently evil, like a cursed sword that renders its wielder bloodthirsty. I don't support regulations that are a thinly-veiled ploy to take even more power away from the average person, regulations that are easily circumvented by the rich and by the politically powerful. I don't have as much against gun-free zones as GundamFan does, however... if you want to make an area a "Gun Free Zone," you need to hire armed security. A gun-free zone is nothing but a big neon sign that says, "THESE PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY UNARMED. FEEL FREE TO KILL THEM WITH IMPUNITY." If you want a gun-free zone, put armed security guards in it to protect the people who congregate there. If you fail to do this, and still persist in designating a gun-free zone, you clearly do not care about the safety of the individuals within.
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Suicide: 18,735 deaths Homicide: 11,493 deaths Unintentional: 554 deaths Legal interventions: 333 deaths Undetermined: 232 deaths Total: 31,347 deaths Of course some of those are legal intervention, but still.
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2012-12-18, 03:20 | Link #679 |
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I'll pretty much ditto what Syn posted.
I have a CCW permit and I think the laws regulating CCW's in most states *suck*. I'd like to see safety classes, I'd like to lethal situation training, law classes, marksmanship requirements. And continuing education. I don't want to hear any gun owner complaining when we raise taxes to properly integrate the background check system for mental illness, domestic abuse, violent history. Nor should they complain with additional taxes taken to cover teacher arms training, the hiring of armed security for schools. Gun owners have rights -- but rights come with responsibilities and accountability. From too many gun owners, I'm getting no sense of community responsibility at all and its pissing me off because I end up having to explain why a gun can be useful to people whom I otherwise agree on most issues about. @Reckoner: check the cost of meat lately? Hunting and cleaning and preserving the meat of a deer or boar costs far far less. The world isn't the way it is in your neighborhood. You have a lot of legitimate arguments on this topic that I agree with but this isn't really one of them.
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