Ichigo and Rukia? or Ichigo and Orihime?

[yahoosoda]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

Didn't Kubo said he wanted to make Orihime the heroine as well? correct me if I'm wrong.

She always had been a heroine, just like Ishida and Chad are heroes in their own right, even if the whole series doesn't exactly revolve around her.

[Forever_young]

If she's the heroine then why does Rukia's name always come before her in Official websites, book etc.
I think in this HM arc it'll make it look like Ori x Ichi was winning but I think everything's totally gonna flip out with a Ichi x Ruki moment in the end
And I think Kubo is aware, if he makes it a Ichi x Ori ending not that many people would be happy because
-Most people want action in Bleach. Not a cheesy, typical romance
-Too many Ichi x Ruki, Ulq x Ori, Ishi x Ori fanz out there (accordin to the poll Ichi x Ori's not even a popular couple)
-People would say 'Oh how typical'

I'm kinda suprised how long this board lasted for despite all the arguing going on
Ichi x Ruki 4eva! Yay

[Asianknight82]

I think he just wants to make this love triangle as confusing as possible, and then sends the entire audience in an uproar at the end, that's what you call good showmen-ship. ha ha.

What kubo has in store for orihime is unbeknowest to us all. But, if he is a true artist he would go with what he feel it should be and not listen to what other people want. Otherwise he'll feel unsatisfied with his work.

Edit: hehe yeah there is alot of intense arguing going on, but hey people like to argue its human nature.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Originally Posted by Geta Boshi

@Qc0Jh1axT;

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I have to disagree the so called main chracter of arc this arc not even getting one whole chapter dedicated to her and Rukia getting TWO whole chapters -whats that -

Well I happily acknowledge Rukia's unshakeable status in being the heroine in Bleach and the heroine in both arcs - just as Ichigo is the hero in all of Bleach and in both arcs.

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Rukia getting 7-8 chapters of focus, which includes TWO whole chapters dedicated to her definitely reaffirmed her heroine status - at the same time highlighted her emotional and mental strength, not to mention her prowess in combat.

But I have to say the attention did shift to Orihime - not in the sense that she is now the leading lady, but in the sense of her importance as a firm and indispensable support character.

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Just like how Ishida have gained focus in this rescue, as a firm and indispensable support character. ^^

[sorbet]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

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Oh yeah, his passion for saving Orihime is sooo dead that he went ape shit on Uli when he mentioned that it was him that took Orihime away.

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ROFL! Are you sure? did you only read one page of chapter 270? How could you not see that Ichigo attacked Ulq out of all the anger that builded up since he told Ichigo Rukia was dead? Orihime was the final straw for Ichigo. If he really had passion to save her, why did he ran away in chapter 271? If that was the way to show his passion, then I prefered him in SS arc.

And I don't recalled Kubo say he intented to make Orihime a heroine. All he ever said was 'she will become an important character'

[Melodymix]

Rukia's too popular to get kicked out of her heroine position. She was also voted no. 1 in the "Most Beautiful Jump Girl Character"
http://www.37vote.net/comic/1152796537/

[Adam E]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

During the SS Arc, Rukia just pout around in her tower all day reminincing about the past. At least stuff is actually happening to Orihime.

Those scenes of Rukia reminiscing over her past served to give more depth to her character, while establishing the relationships between Rukia, Byakuya, and Renji, all of which were relevant to the plot.

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

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Oh yeah, his passion for saving Orihime is sooo dead that he went ape shit on Uli when he mentioned that it was him that took Orihime away.

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People are saying Ichigo has little passion for saving Orihime because of how Ichigo put a higher priority on saving Rukia before and after that scene.

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

Didn't Kubo said he wanted to make Orihime the heroine as well? correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe he wants to, although he hasn't been doing a good job of making her more heroic, in my opinion, or more liked, according to the polls.

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He has given her the necessary powerups, but Orihime hasn't really put them to much use since gaining them, as of Chapter 272.

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

I think he just wants to make this love triangle as confusing as possible, and then sends the entire audience in an uproar at the end, that's what you call good showmen-ship. ha ha.

I hope he doesn't make a serious love triangle since this is an action-shounen, not a sappy melodrama.

Originally Posted by Qc0Jh1axT

But I have to say the attention did shift to Orihime - not in the sense that she is now the leading lady, but in the sense of her importance as a firm and indispensable support character.

Hence the reason I called her a “Fifth Business” type of character in this arc. Those types of characters are critical to the plot (we wouldn’t be having this arc if she didn’t need to be rescued), but they get overshadowed by the main characters.

Originally Posted by sorbet

And I don't recalled Kubo say he intented to make Orihime a heroine. All he ever said was 'she will become an important character'

Anyone have a source for this comment from Kubo?

[Asianknight82]

Actually they have portraited her to be more "heroic"

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she had resolved herself to whip out the big bad guy from existence even at the cost of her life, which something Rukia didn't have the balls to do. She accepted her fate and was awaiting death, with no resolve to live until at the very end of the SS arc.

all the flash backs did for rukia was to show the audience why she accepted her death sentence.

[Forever_young]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

Actually they have portraited her to be more "heroic"

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she had resolved herself to whip out the big bad guy from existence even at the cost of her life, which something Rukia didn't have the balls to do. She accepted her fate and was awaiting death, with no resolve to live until at the very end of the SS arc.

all the flash backs did for rukia was to show the audience why she accepted her death sentence.

Well from an Orihime fan point of view it may did seem like that but Kubo drew Rukia's character with more depth. Plus atleast she saved Ichigo from Byakuya and told Ichigo she dosn't need to be protected by him. To me Rukia's much more of a stronger character than Orihime and I'm not saying this cause I like Rukia better than Orihime.
Aren't we going abit off topic here with this whole 'Heroine' thing? Rukia's the official heroine in Bleach so lets just leave it at that.

[evenex]

Lol, well Ori fanz do go against Rukia sometimes

I'm kinda suprised how long this board lasted for despite all the arguing going on
Ichi x Ruki 4eva! Yay

Lol, I reckon. Most people go against the rules (well, sort of...) on this board. I'm suprised as well that it isn't deleted.
And yes, I also agree that Rukia's more stronger and a "heroic" character. Alot of people are starting to hate Orihime because all she did was cry. It was Rukia that helped her out in situations like that by training with her. She even told Ichigo that she'll never forgive him if he comes after her.

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On the other and Orihime snuck into his room and tried to kiss him

I got more reasons but I'll stop here

[Asianknight82]

Whatever floats your boat right?

[Adam E]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

Actually they have portraited her to be more "heroic"

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she had resolved herself to whip out the big bad guy from existence even at the cost of her life, which something Rukia didn't have the balls to do. She accepted her fate and was awaiting death, with no resolve to live until at the very end of the SS arc.

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Rukia didn't know about the big bad guy while she was waiting to be executed. Unfortunately, there didn't seem to be any real bad guys at all at the start of the Soul Society arc for Rukia to be killed by and show how heroic she is. Anyways, it's not Rukia has ever put her life on the line to save others before and already proved how heroic she is, eh?

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

all the flash backs did for rukia was to show the audience why she accepted her death sentence.

Which is important so readers don't wonder why Rukia suddenly seems to be throwing her life away. As I said before, it gives her, and the other characters appearing in the flashbacks, more depth.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

Whatever floats your boat right?

Heh. How bitter.

[Asianknight82]

All the characters have flash backs too, is it because its Rukia that makes it more important?

Orihime's past was indirectly connected with Ichigo's, and her powers are a direct influence from Ichigo. She's gone through the same bullying as Ichigo due to their hair colors as kids. Ichigo and Orihime shared a similar past, and they both are very lonely due to the lost of loved ones (one being his mom and the other... all of her family members) I sympathize with Orhime, Her parents abused her forcing her and her brother to run away and try to live a normal life, she spent her childhood being bullied, having only one person in her life that truly cared for her died in the worse possible time. I want to see her truly happy, Orihime has been in love with Ichigo for a long time now and I want to see her love reciprocate just for the sake of saving her from her own darkness.

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Originally Posted by Qc0Jh1axT

Heh. How bitter.

oh quiet little boy :P It sounds no where near bitter, Fan A will always root for A and Fan B will always root for B, thus whatever floats your boat.

[sorbet]

So basically you want Ichigo as a 'reward' for Orihime? Ichigo is not a thing. His feelings should be taken into consideration. And so far all I can see is Orihime getting more and more miserable with her love for Ichigo. I don't know how can she be happy with him.

[Asianknight82]

Ichigo himself isn't the problem, its Orihime's own low self-esteem is the issue. She feel herself to be inadequate, but she's trying to change that by

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erasing the big bad guy

And I know some of you girls out there think of guys as an object, as guys do to girls XD ha ha, I just hope my fiance dont think that way about me, lol.

[Adam E]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

All the characters have flash backs too, is it because its Rukia that makes it more important?

No one was saying the other characters' flashbacks were unimportant. In general, I find most flashbacks to be important, particularly when a main character is having one; that's why I found you dismissing Rukia's flashbacks as unimportant to be strange, especially since they were entirely relevant to the plot.

[Qc0Jh1axT]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

All the characters have flash backs too, is it because its Rukia that makes it more important?

No, it's because people have flashbacks of IMPORTANT things and IMPORTANT people.

Orihime's past was indirectly connected with Ichigo's, and her powers are a direct influence from Ichigo. She's gone through the same bullying as Ichigo due to their hair colors as kids.

Everyone in Bleach have troubled past. Not only Ichigo and Orihime. Orihime had always needed protection from Tatsuki. Ichigo never bothered about the bullying.

Ichigo and Orihime shared a similar past, and they both are very lonely due to the lost of loved ones (one being his mom and the other... all of her family members) I sympathize with Orhime, Her parents abused her forcing her and her brother to run away and try to live a normal life, she spent her childhood being bullied, having only one person in her life that truly cared for her died in the worse possible time. I want to see her truly happy, Orihime has been in love with Ichigo for a long time now and I want to see her love reciprocate just for the sake of saving her from her own darkness.

Ichigo and Rukia's past are similar, not Ichigo and Orihime. They both have loved ones died in the rain, they both claimed responsibility for these deaths, and they both could not get over these deaths. Orihime had always moved on after her brother's death. And in case you have forgotten, Ishida's grandfather also died and this had an impact on him. However, Ichigo and Rukia share the most parallels in their past - they both understand each other because of previous experiences. There was no evidence in the manga saying Ichigo cared for Orihime when her brother died. It was Tatsuki who defended her and in her times of loneliness cheered her up after her brother's death - always being with her, hence her brother's jealousy over Tatsuki spending so much time with Orihime.

oh quiet little boy :P It sounds no where near bitter, Fan A will always root for A and Fan B will always root for B, thus whatever floats your boat.

I'm a girl. And, whatever floats your boat means whatever makes you happy. You seemed bitter there, hence the previous comment.

[Marsala]

Originally Posted by Adam E

Anyone have a source for this comment from Kubo?

"In an interview in 2004 issue 42 of JUMP, Kubo Tite gives very random tidbits about several Bleach characters.

All translation and everything by k_shi (http://www.livejournal.com/users/k_shi/)
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Inoue Orihime
Tied with Ichigo, her face is the hardest to draw. She's going to be a very important character later on so, I want to get used to drawing her faster."

It is now "later on", and Orihime is indeed a very important character, at least as far as plot importance goes. However, that certainly doesn't mean that she has stolen Rukia's spot as female lead or is going to end up with Ichigo.

[sorbet]

Originally Posted by Asianknight82

Ichigo himself isn't the problem, its Orihime's own low self-esteem is the issue. She feel herself to be inadequate, but she's trying to change that by

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erasing the big bad guy

I'm confused, what do you mean by Ichigo himself is not the problem? I'm talking about Ichigo's feelings for Orihime here. It doesn't matter if suddenly Orihime gain her self-esteem and declear her love to Ichigo. There is nothing in manga which suggest that Ichigo will reciprocate it.

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And Ichigo's feelings has nothing to do with her self-esteem. Even if she erase Houkyokou, do you think Ichigo will go 'omg you save the world, I love you'? I really don't understand what Orihime's resolve has anything to do with her love for Ichigo.