2009-08-13, 19:13 | Link #1201 |
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Ep1 is the only game completely free of magical influences, at least until the clock strikes twelve.
It could very well be the only true reality, and everything after it is simply Beato's way of helping Battler understand the truth, in her own, twisted way. Effectively, I mean that everything after Ep1 is, in fact, inside the Magic World/Meta-World, not in the Real World. So, I have two questions: 1) How are we supposed to get our happy ending if everyone is dead? I mean, the witch might be able to bring them all back into the real world if she gets enough people to believe in her, but I know most people here would be pretty pissed with that kind of ending.. 2) ...Do you guys think Ep1 actually counts as a "game", for the purposes of analyzing the red text? |
2009-08-13, 19:42 | Link #1202 | |
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2. Even tho there weren't any red text from Ep1, there are many which applies back into Ep1. It can still be used to analyze the red text. Rather, looking back into ep1 with the new red text, we can see many things there weren't questionable when ep1 first came out (ie. Nanjo claiming he was playing chess with Kinzo on Oct 4th). Again, "Truth from the future beats truth from the past" by Bernkestal.
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2009-08-13, 19:53 | Link #1203 | |
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1) Everyone will be happy at the golden land, surely that would be enough.
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2009-08-13, 20:10 | Link #1204 | |
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What regrets did he have from his life? What was his sin? What is he truly searching for? 2) I view episode 1 as the only real game and the other games as worlds where Beatrice is trying to show Battler something. The enemy (Bernkastel/Lambda) may try tactics to confuse Battler during these games (Ange). |
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2009-08-13, 20:16 | Link #1205 |
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Just before I work my ass off translating, is there anyone working on translating the theory/speculation page from the Umineco wiki? I just felt that alot of the theories that are out on this board are repeats of old ideas, and there are always people who wants to see other theories.
If no one is working on it, it would serve as a thing for me to work on before ep5 comes out :eh:
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2009-08-13, 21:11 | Link #1207 |
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A while back, I said that even if Battler proves that there's no magic involved, it's not really going to keep his whole family from getting killed by whoever the non-witch culprit is. It's not like the killer would stop just because Battler shows them that witches don't exist, right? It's completely irrelevant if they're not supernatural.
Consequently, I'm pretty sure that "prove no magic was involved" isn't going to be the real ending, and I think to prevent the tragedy, one way or another, Battler will end up allowing for the existence of magic. |
2009-08-13, 23:42 | Link #1208 |
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I've tried thinking of a way to deny the Meta-world before, but then, I'd have to deny the red text as well, and if I do that, I'd lose almost all of my footing on the story. At the same time, I like the meta-world characters far better than the real-world ones. In fact, I'm not particularly fond of the latter.
For now, I'm regarding the Meta-world as Freddy Krueger's dream world (but with hot witches, ass neechans, goats, and Bros). But, anyway, I've also theorised the possibility of a 3rd Beatrice (as in, one after the one Rosa saw die) existing. But, all the same, Genji said Beatrice died back then, and the boat's captain told Ange he was told not to deliver anything else to Kuwadorian 20 years before 1986. However, there are other points that have kept me wondering about the possibility of this 3rd Beatrice, like Beato saying she "remained" in the island after the "homunculus" one died; also Kyrie's impression of the Beatrice she saw was that of a woman in her 20s (which matches the time gap after Rosa's Beatrice died, and before the events in Rokkenjima), and there's also the girl in Beato's dream, who talked about this grandfather (Kinzo, I assume), but the Beatrice Rosa met said she regarded Kinzo as a father (well, she could always have grown to think of him as such).
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2009-08-14, 01:59 | Link #1210 | |
Homo Ludens
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For my second question, I was more trying to get at something else:
Does Ep1 count as a "game" for the purposes of the following red text? Quote:
Is there anything to disprove this? Is this too far-fetched? |
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2009-08-14, 02:37 | Link #1212 | |
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I'd simply assume the author wouldn't resort to such lame trickery and that the meaning of the text are written in a very straight forward, precise, unambiguous manner, such that there can be no misunderstanding, contradiction, or multi-interpretations. Multiple times red texts are used to reinforce the straight-forward interpretations of prior red texts, as battler has asked to clarify word meaning as to ensure no such trickery exists. I can't think of an instance where the red text's obvious interpretation by any audience was compromised to mean something very different. I think Ryukishi07 knows his logic well... |
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2009-08-14, 03:04 | Link #1213 | |
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Kinzo was pissed off when Rosa named Maria, and it's probably because her name somehow compromises his riddle--either by creating a red herring, or by actually making it easier. By drawing attention to that kanji, it could be the latter. |
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2009-08-14, 04:15 | Link #1214 | |
Homo Ludens
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Most of the red text/truth is subjective in regards to the person who says it... and a few lines could definitely be twisted in certain ways. In Umineko, nothing is straightforward... |
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