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Old 2018-05-15, 18:07   Link #3041
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With some of these animes taking a focus on sex and ultimately parenthood, I've noticed these a lot in some of the anime I chose the watch. Darling in the Franxx is no exception. Especially when it take me awhile to once again accept that it's going that route for Kokoro/Mitsuru. After all, Gundam Iron-Blooded Orphans when I first watched it, it was Minazuki and Atra. That's just one anime in example, so I've little to no reason to doubt what went on in Episode 17. My question is, will this cliché of having sexual intercourse and the female being pregnant as a result will have a wrench thrown in to prevent said cliché from following through, or will continue it's course claiming a life?

Honestly, I'm more interested with the relationship between the Zero Two and Hiro, and the Klax Princess. Plus, there's many things I've seen as adult that I can now say I'm used to seeing this stuff happen. That's my two cents of the discussion.
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Old 2018-05-15, 18:08   Link #3042
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I don't think your prediction about 02 is off, but that's not a matter of conservative or not, it's just about it being feel good. It'd be pretty sad if she couldn't.

And there's different layers to it. For example Japan has on average a more modest culture regarding displays of affection, which is part of why we see so little sex or even kissing in anime. But I'd consider that more culture than politics. The thing that is being considered "political" about FranXX are its ideas about gender and sex, and being so focused on not only heterosexual couples, but heterosexual fertile couples, making the ability to reproduce the key of the entire show. Now, most shows just don't have a need to express anything on that topic, one way or another. But this show picked that as its main theme, so obviously it gets discussed.

As I said, I don't even see it as a thing that's opposed to LGBT, trans or gender discussions. I think it's just a variation on the theme of humans staying human vs. humans modifying their bodies/genes, where the latter invariably become monsters or evil. A very similar situation was found in Suisei no Gargantia, which tried to make it sound like both paths were equivalent but also still sorta sided with the "still humans" faction, even though it had done absolutely horrible things too.
that "LGBT" part can be from "western influence which another common thing in animes they like to also add things from western but from they own perspective, for asian the western"LGBT" and the whole SJW agenda is a big problem which they don't want to have for themselfs.
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Old 2018-05-16, 06:38   Link #3043
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My point is I don't think the show is directed at that at all. Frankly I don't get the feeling an anime would go out of its way to specifically criticise that sort of politics usually. And again, there's a big difference from anime being often not politically correct the way it's meant in the west, or just containing some cultural notions that are pretty common in Japan, and anime outright aiming at bashing LGBT people or even political correctness itself. I just don't think this is what FranXX is doing at all. It would seem like a very weirdly specific bone to pick for such a mainstream show.
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Old 2018-05-16, 09:37   Link #3044
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such a mainstream show.
Just a correction here but this isn't mainstream. It's a late night otaku show.
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Old 2018-05-16, 10:33   Link #3045
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My question is, will this cliché of having sexual intercourse and the female being pregnant as a result will have a wrench thrown in to prevent said cliché from following through, or will continue it's course claiming a life?
It's not a cliché when there's not a lot of mecha anime that follow sex with actual pregnancy of the protags mid-show. Gundam franchise is one of those rare mecha series that have no problem depicting such thing (when necessary) but not a lot of (mecha) anime follow it aside from maybe Eureka 7 or parts of Code Geass. It's really not a cliché especially in the current anime climate where wish-fullfillment-anime reign supreme and characters must always look pretty and sexy for the otakus. Gundam shows have no such problems since their target audience are not otakus but general audience. Also, many writers just don't know what to do with a pregnant protag mid-story to the point where they'd rather not have it. Take Dragon Ball for example, that skipped the time where Bulma was pregnant and just jumped directly to a period after she already gave birth to baby Trunks. Because it's more convenient that way.

Also, sexual intercourse followed by pregnancy is a natural thing that frequently happen in life with the right time and method (especially when the couple doing it are aiming for pregnancy in the first place). So, it's kinda weird to call it a cliche. It's like saying (normal) humans who die after getting blown up is a cliche which to that I say "Well, what do you expect? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". Of course there are exceptions but things usually work that way in real life too.
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Old 2018-05-16, 10:41   Link #3046
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It's not a cliché when there's not a lot of mecha anime that follow sex with actual pregnancy of the protags mid-show. Gundam franchise is one of those rare mecha series that have no problem depicting such thing (when necessary) but not a lot of (mecha) anime follow it aside from maybe Eureka 7 or parts of Code Geass. It's really not a cliché especially in the current anime climate where wish-fullfillment-anime reign supreme and characters must always look pretty and sexy for the otakus. Gundam shows have no such problems since their target audience are not otakus but general audience. Also, many writers just don't know what to do with a pregnant protag mid-story to the point where they'd rather not have it. Take Dragon Ball for example, that skipped the time where Bulma was pregnant and just jumped directly to a period after she already gave birth to baby Trunks. Because it's more convenient that way.

Also, sexual intercourse followed by pregnancy is a natural thing that frequently happen in life with the right time and method (especially when the couple doing it are aiming for pregnancy in the first place). So, it's kinda weird to call it a cliche. It's like saying (normal) humans who die after getting blown up is a cliche which to that I say "Well, what do you expect? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯". Of course there are exceptions but things usually work that way in real life too.
It's just that I find these people talking about it, even Code Geass some years ago. Some people are persistent about it, even though it didn't make sense to me at the time. Still, I'd figured I just throw that nonsensical question out there just to get it off my chest and my brain. I already picked up EP 18 for the next title, Something about "A Sakura Blooming". I was still half-asleep when I read a bit of that information on myanimelist, which is always subject to change and some people can be inaccurate with their claims of info.

Although I would think I'd still know better after watching some anime which has this kind of thing. Oh well, you live and you learn.
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Old 2018-05-16, 12:29   Link #3047
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Thematically-wise, it would be more interesting if she couldn't but she and Hiro still ended up together and happy at the end, showing that making babies is not the end-all-be-all of romantic love and human relationships.



Culture and politics go hand in hand. Two sides of the same coin.



You can't separate the show from its meta context though. That sort of "being human is all about making babies" message is pretty in-line with Japan's cultural context. Heck, is even in line with their political context. What with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe's views on Japan birth decline and whatnot.
You sure it's as explicitly socio-political as that? The way it felt to me was more of a general "be what you naturally are, live freely" as opposed to a lobotomized, vat-grown droid (APE style). I mean when you have the antagonist side be essentially that, then obviously someone on the protag side has to go the other extreme in these kind of shows right? So the whole reproduction and gender angle should be seen in that context IMO
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Old 2018-05-16, 12:50   Link #3048
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You sure it's as explicitly socio-political as that? The way it felt to me was more of a general "be what you naturally are, live freely" as opposed to a lobotomized, vat-grown droid (APE style). I mean when you have the antagonist side be essentially that, then obviously someone on the protag side has to go the other extreme in these kind of shows right? So the whole reproduction and gender angle should be seen in that context IMO
Yeah, I think that's it too. Though the whole "people not making children/vegetarian men" thing in Japan is probably predominant enough in public discourse that it's hard to imagine one would make a story so focused on procreation without being somewhat influenced by it. But yeah, I think it doesn't have any serious pretences at any such argument, it's just being Generic Sci-Fi Dystopia 101.
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Old 2018-05-17, 04:44   Link #3049
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So, the PV for Epi 18 is up...

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Old 2018-05-17, 05:01   Link #3050
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Old 2018-05-17, 05:25   Link #3051
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I say episode 19 gonna have some sort of tragedy , just a hunch .
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Old 2018-05-17, 05:48   Link #3052
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I say episode 19 gonna have some sort of tragedy , just a hunch .
I think it'll start by the latter half of the next ep. The new ending looks too depressing for it to not be full of that. They've been too happy recently. One more episode of just happy things is going to freak me out too much.

I just binged eps 3 to 17 like 2 days ago. This quickly has become potentially one of my favorite shows with a surprising amount of depth. I'm really enjoying it.
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Old 2018-05-17, 06:00   Link #3053
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With how things are developing, I won't be surprised if it ended up as another ibo gundam.
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Old 2018-05-17, 06:03   Link #3054
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And here I abandoned Gundam:IBO after cour1, as I've come to know how it went.
I just hope Franxx doesn't become another IBO, I'm not good with such stories
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Old 2018-05-17, 08:18   Link #3055
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Mitsuru ded flag is going up .

With the Nine report to the APE , i can see APE soldiers bust into the place soon .
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Old 2018-05-17, 08:36   Link #3056
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Old 2018-05-17, 08:45   Link #3057
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Are these real flags? Or are they trolling us?
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Old 2018-05-17, 08:47   Link #3058
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So, the PV for Epi 18 is up...

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Old 2018-05-17, 09:23   Link #3059
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here's the ep18 preview: subtitles provided

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Old 2018-05-17, 09:47   Link #3060
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Mitsuru ded flag is going up .

With the Nine report to the APE , i can see APE soldiers bust into the place soon .
Spoiler for spoiler:
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