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Old 2018-05-18, 04:53   Link #101
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I think - provided she happened to wear the right kind of underwear - Narumi would be ok with getting physical. If it hasn't happened already, it's mostly on Hirotaka. (It's somewhat unfair to always expect the guy to make the first step, yes, but it is what it is, and like TRL said, Hirotaka started the relationship.)

The "problem" with getting more romantic is that their present relationship is a comfortable one. Whatever craving (if any) for more romance doesn't justify the effort they'd have to put into it, so they don't progress.
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Old 2018-05-18, 05:38   Link #102
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Old 2018-05-18, 08:21   Link #103
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Old 2018-05-18, 11:34   Link #104
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what a mature wotaku this week.
Like how its showing the effort Kaba and Hiro are putting into the relationship.
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Old 2018-05-18, 14:42   Link #105
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I'd agree with almost all of the above. I disagree only with the rather cynical assessment of Narumi, about her using Hirotaka as a placeholder. I feel it's unfair and unwarranted, given that, in the first place, it was Hirotaka who "confessed" and proposed that they start dating.
But it wasn't romance, or even an attraction to Hirotaka (do not forget that earlier just that evening she said he wasn't her type), but the idea that she would have an assistant (slave) for the upcoming event for which she agreed to his proposal. Otherwise, it's pretty certain she would have turned him down.

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That being the case, it's only natural for her to be the one who goes along with the relationship, to see whether it works out.
If she wasn't interested in him romantically, she should have turned him down. What you say makes her seem just like I said, she is using Hirotaka as a place holder until someone better comes along. Not being in love with him, not being attracted to him, dissing him more than liking him, then why else be his girlfriend?

Their relationship feels more like the typical shoujo fake relationship where the two eventually fall in love with each other by the last episode. Or perhaps an arranged marriage where the end result is the same. Narumi noticing Hirotaka's personality characteristics would have happened regardless if they were in a relationship or not. They've been separated for something like 10 - 13 years, and being co-workers she would be bound to notice things about the adult Hirotaka that she was previously unaware of.

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I think - provided she happened to wear the right kind of underwear - Narumi would be ok with getting physical. If it hasn't happened already, it's mostly on Hirotaka. (It's somewhat unfair to always expect the guy to make the first step, yes, but it is what it is, and like TRL said, Hirotaka started the relationship.)
Sex is okay but kissing is not? Just what kind of woman is she? There's a word I'da used, but I'd probably get banned from animesuki...

And what a freakin' sexist attitude to say that the guy should make the first step! Shame on you guys. Besides, he did try to start something when they were alone, but got immediately rejected, so it's completely on Narumi, not Hirotaka.

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The "problem" with getting more romantic is that their present relationship is a comfortable one. Whatever craving (if any) for more romance doesn't justify the effort they'd have to put into it, so they don't progress.
This pretty much sums up the status quo. Hirotaka is interested in romance, but being head-butted for kissing Narumi isn't going to encourage him to repeat the performance. Narumi is interested in sex, but not romance (at least not with Hirotaka), so it'll be sex but no kissing with Hirotaka (which seems doubtful) or she'll probably abstain until a better match comes along. Perhaps an occasional one-on-one session with Hana-chan will tide her over.
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Old 2018-05-24, 14:27   Link #106
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Old 2018-05-25, 04:09   Link #107
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I'd just reiterate that I disagree with your assessment of Narumi.

I can't tell if it stems from cultural misunderstanding and, in any case, it doesn't matter, because I basically like the fact that Hirotaka and Narumi are taking it slow and learning to enjoy each other's company. That's what a healthy relationship should be, frankly, whether or not it involves nerds. A romantic couple should be friends, and not just lovers.

It just so happens that Hirotaka is an introvert who's very much aware that he is not good at interacting with other people. It doesn't bother him because he's completely comfortable with his identity. But it presents a significant challenge for Narumi, because all her previous boyfriends were "normal" by mainstream standards. Reading between the lines and given her stated preference for "cool-looking" men (as opposed to pretty-boy ikemen) I take that to mean that her ex-partners were probably a lot more rugged and outgoing. This is complicated by the fact that Hirotaka is a childhood friend, so learning to see him differently will take time for Narumi.

And, to me, she is trying. She drops by Hirotaka's place, plays video games with him, and generally spends time with him. If she were indeed treating Hirotaka as a placeholder, she'd be limiting herself to just minimum interaction, to save herself from the irritation of being with someone she doesn't like.

Anyway, Episode 7 provides further evidence that Narumi is indeed serious about her relationship with Hirotaka, going so far as to admit to spending Christmas night with her boyfriend (kareshi). That's progress, as far as I'm concerned.
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Old 2018-05-25, 07:19   Link #108
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I'd just reiterate that I disagree with your assessment of Narumi...
I don't disagree that romantic couples should be friends, and that a slow romance is a good thing in and of itself, however...

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And, to me, she is trying. She drops by Hirotaka's place, plays video games with him, and generally spends time with him. If she were indeed treating Hirotaka as a placeholder, she'd be limiting herself to just minimum interaction, to save herself from the irritation of being with someone she doesn't like.
Narumi would be spending time with Hirotaka at his place playing video games anyway, even if they didn't contractually agree to be boyfriend and girlfriend. He's her childhood "friend" with whom she feels comfortable being an otaku. Indeed, their relationship doesn't seem to be any different than what it was when they were young. Well, except now Hirotaka has opening shown his unrequited romantic feelings for Narumi.

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Anyway, Episode 7 provides further evidence that Narumi is indeed serious about her relationship with Hirotaka, going so far as to admit to spending Christmas night with her boyfriend (kareshi). That's progress, as far as I'm concerned.
Did you not see that seriously disappointed look on Narumi's face as she said "boyfriend" to her co-worker? Had she spent it with Kabakura, for instance, I'm sure her emotional reaction would have been vastly different.

They would have spent Christmas Eve playing games together regardless of supposedly being in a "romantic" relationship since neither of them had anyone else to spend it with. I have not seen any evidence of Narumi wanting to take the relationship beyond friendship and into the realm of romance (sex =/= romance). She doesn't want Hirotaka to kiss her, and she sure as hell doesn't seem to want to kiss a face she doesn't find attractive.

I think Narumi has plainly summed up her own feelings about being Hirotaka's girlfriend a couple times now when asked if she was dating him: "I guess." How much less enthusiastic can she get?
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Old 2018-05-25, 11:47   Link #109
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Hanako and Narumi arguing about which of their boyfriends would be top or bottom was hilarious. They get along well, but it turns out they have opposite taste when it comes to yaoi.
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Old 2018-05-25, 13:41   Link #110
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I would love to play a MMORPG like the first part of the chapter, it looks fun and the character are really cute.
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Old 2018-05-26, 10:54   Link #111
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LOL what a surreal situation, chatting at a restaurant about which of their boyfriends would get it in the butt.....


I enjoyed the comedy bits merged into the MMORPG. Narumi remains the funniest for me.
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Old 2018-05-27, 22:09   Link #112
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I was about to be worried about the Narumi-Hirotaka pair being drowned out by the superior chemistry of the Hanako-Kabakura pair, but I'm starting to appreciate their role in the story as the "gradual progress" couple compared to the "established relationship" stage of their senpai. I don't really see them as dysfunctional—in fact, gaming aside, they spend roughly the same time as your typical couple.

The only unfortunate thing about this is that it's stuck at 11 episodes.
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Old 2018-05-28, 07:49   Link #113
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...The only unfortunate thing about this is that it's stuck at 11 episodes.
Yeah, we'd probably need about 100 episodes before we get to see any romantic development between Narumi and Hirotaka. But, it's more likely that Narumi would quit her job long before that and try her luck somewhere else [again] because she still can't see Hirotaka as anything more than an otaku buddy, and especially not as a love (sex =/= love) interest. Being the ultra-superficial bimbo she is, her primary (and apparently only) prerequisite of a mate is good looks.
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Old 2018-05-31, 12:50   Link #114
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Episode 8:

Fear of thunder huh? Tbh, I don't think that's anything to be ashamed about although the reason for Hirotaka is kinda silly.

The character chemistry between him and Narumi gave me the usual vibe from the show. What I did like is how it showed more of their childhood as in the way they behaved as kids.

Regarding Narumi/Hirotaka's current relationship, I personally think they are good as a pair right now. If they do enter a romantic relationship, it may get a bit awkward for them. I just like the way they are right now.
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Old 2018-05-31, 15:32   Link #115
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Finally some character progression after 7+ episodes! Narumi is so dense. Also do Japanese workers really go out to drink beer every night? That can't be healthy.
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Old 2018-05-31, 15:45   Link #116
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Fear of thunder huh? Tbh, I don't think that's anything to be ashamed about although the reason for Hirotaka is kinda silly.
Is it? Thunder makes me nervous for similar reasons. I'm not afraid for my personal safety, but for what it could do to my computer. (Though I've never experienced it.)
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Old 2018-05-31, 18:57   Link #117
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Wow! Another episode with flashbacks that only Hirotaka remembers.

What I'd like to know is why, after they entered Middle School, did they not continue their friendship? I can hazard a guess: Narumi lost interest in Hirotaka when she discovered that Middle School was filled with guys much more (physically) attractive than him.

I pity poor Hirotaka. He's clearly in love with a woman who he knows just doesn't see him that way, and probably never will. Not only that, but she doesn't hold him in high regard, and treats him like a joke. Hell, she has more of an emotional connection with his little brother, and treats him more like a friend than her own boyfriend. I couldn't help but hope that Hirotaka would decide to tell Narumi that, since she didn't feel anything for him, they should break up.
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Old 2018-05-31, 19:14   Link #118
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Finally some character progression after 7+ episodes! Narumi is so dense. Also do Japanese workers really go out to drink beer every night? That can't be healthy.
yeah it's somehow is another issue, it happen a lot because they feel which in order to "proof" they dedication to the work, they must do that "pos-work" interactions, that is why normally the japaneses which goes home normally ending goes really later, or it's pretty common for japaneses most of the times get back to home pass 22:00 to midnight, they not only had a borderline slavery work time but also need to "socialize with others workers or boss after leave the job, many do that "against the will" to avoid trouble in the job, because it could leave them with a bad reputation with co-workers and boss, it's the basic "mind hive" japanese mentality, being good at job aways come first than anything in they lifes.

A old say japanese is which if you work and marry someone then you are "married 2 times, cuz your first marriage will be your work.
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Old 2018-06-01, 04:49   Link #119
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I heard some good things about this show but I didn't make it far so sorry if I say some things that got explained later.

The side couple that was introduced was so much more entertaining than the main couple. Oddly enough that pretty much turned me off the show entirely. Seeing how the main "couple" act in comparison is just awful and unrealistic in so many ways.

The main girl is experienced in relationships but she acts clueless when she's with her boyfriend because... I don't even know why, I just know that it made the show very annoying to sit through. The main guy just comes off as kinda pathetic for how much he's pining for her and I didn't see enough to care about why he even likes her. He really couldn't find someone to go out with throughout the years he was separated from her?

Anyway, I guess the show just didn't click with me to continue watching. I basically agree with FredFriendly's thoughts on it so I'm glad I wasn't the only one turning my head sideways when thinking about how bad (in a general sense) the main couple are.

Based off the latest comments it seems like the couple didn't improve in the way I would've hoped so I think I'm better off not picking this show up later even if they do progress their relationship.

Hope y'all enjoy the rest though, it's rare to find a show with older characters.

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Old 2018-06-01, 08:19   Link #120
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...The side couple that was introduced was so much more entertaining than the main couple. Oddly enough that pretty much turned me off the show entirely. Seeing how the main "couple" act in comparison is just awful and unrealistic in so many ways.
The main thing that Kayonagi and Kabakura's relationship has that Narumi and Hirotaka's is completely devoid of is mutual passion. As much as Kayonagi and Kabakura banter and fight, they clearly are passionately in love with each other. Hirotaka is very much in love with Narumi, but she has yet to show any signs that she thinks of him as anything other than an otaku buddy.

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The main girl is experienced in relationships but she acts clueless when she's with her boyfriend because... I don't even know why, I just know that it made the show very annoying to sit through. The main guy just comes off as kinda pathetic for how much he's pining for her and I didn't see enough to care about why he even likes her. He really couldn't find someone to go out with throughout the years he was separated from her?
They were separated for at least ten years and, whereas Hirotaka was probably pining for Narumi the whole time, she probably never thought about him at all. All that time they spent together before High School is full of precious memories for Hirotaka, but it doesn't seem to mean anything to Narumi as she doesn't remember any of it.
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