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Okay. Hmm, where to start? Well, okay, for starters, I made a mistake by leaving out those things. Quote:
Sure, it would have been good to make mention of the kind of things willx brought up, and maybe I would have thought of that. What ended up happening is when I wrote that part I put in quotes, I went to google and looked up the Qu'ran and violence and ended up finding that site I linked to. Then I read some pretty appalling verses from that site. From there, acknowledging other factors like those brought up by willx were just out of sight. I then put some verses in quote boxes because it really tied into the last part of the paragraph above them. After that, I wrote a bit more, wrapped it up, and moved on. Yeah, it would have been good to make mention of the kind of things willx brought up. Like I said, I made a mistake/wasn't being mindful of other contributing factors. You are right about the Old Testament. Some really harsh things found in it. I guess I didn't bring it up because I wasn't focused on the world from centuries past. I brought up in another post that Judaism and Christianity have progressed much in these modern times, which people can infer that I acknowledge that they've both had rocky pasts. I didn't bring up the Old Testament in the post where I provided some Qu'ran verses because I responded to someone who asked if other religions could elevate to the level of Buddhism, and so I was discussing about religions as they are today, and you just don't find Christians or Jews today abiding to the commands for violence in the Old Testament. Today, you don't have Jews and Christians stoning to death adulterers or people with clean shaven faces, or people who work on the Sabbath.
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2012-09-16, 03:42 | Link #23682 |
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So if the "Koran condones violence against non-believers" (which is an belittlement in itself) and the believers follow that, it has nothing to do with religion? If "only written documents" matter, it has nothing to do with religion, like the Pope has nothing to do with the Catholic religion? If their ulterior motives are "religious states" (meaning that all people have to object themselves to religious laws) it has nothing to do with religion? |
2012-09-16, 03:52 | Link #23683 |
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Haredi Judaism is keeping its more violent tendencies in check because it relies on the state for all the aid it receives. Otherwise there is no big difference between the more extreme versions of Haredi Judaism (yes, there are trends even within that conservatives of conservatives) and the radicial Islam we are seeing.
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2012-09-16, 04:16 | Link #23684 |
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There are always religious extremists...just there seems to be more of them in Islam than most other religions in recent times. Go back three hundred years and you'd find American colonies founded by religious extremists (some would consider the Puritans extreme in one way and the Quakers or Amish extreme in other ways).
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2012-09-16, 04:17 | Link #23685 | ||
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It was Mother Nature (and most likely help from Korean ship crafters) owning Mongols. Quote:
The one exception was Nobunaga's interest in Sengoku period, which carried over to those who followed his steps, Toyotomi and Tokugawa. Look, your statement about Japan being superior to China in every domain for centuries is simply wrong. It wasn't until very, very modern times that Japanese culture, economy, military, and technology were modernized to surpass that of China. Namely, it was after Perry's Black Ship arrival and crumbling of the isolationism. China has dominated as the top culture in Asia for thousands of years until the 19th century. I'm Japanese, and even I know this. You give us way too much credit.
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2012-09-16, 04:30 | Link #23687 |
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The News has been show outside the recent troubles with over an offensive film and China's posturing in the seas. Other than the US Presidental election and that's covered in another thread.
Maybe something with Syria?
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@willx: I'm pretty sure we both don't really understand where we are coming from.
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You misunderstood me. I didn't mean for you to infer that from what I wrote. I wasn't saying those things have anything to do with Islam or any religion. I know those things have nothing to do with Islam. I brought them up as I was trying to illustrate some points. You expanded on things in this post: http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...9965&page=1184 All I was trying to do by bringing up those things was try to incorporate the points you made (that there is great depth to the issue) to some of the points I was trying to make in that paragraph. I hope that clears at least some of those things up. Please don't pull your hair out.
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I didn't say Japan had the advantage in all domains, but they held enough of an advantage in how to approach things in many domains which ended up being useful by the time the Meiji Restoration came. From what I read, Dejima became known throughout Japan as a center of medicine, military science, and astronomy. Many samurai travelled there for "Dutch studies" and that was before Perry even came. Let's put it that way: the Chinese chose to reject elements which could have helped them modernize their country despite having been in contact with Europeans for some time; meanwhile, the Japanese spent enough time looking at a number of things from Europe to finally accept embracing those same elements for their country's sake (hence my analogy of red pill vs. blue pill). By the way, it wasn't the first time I'm at odds with kyp275 and I was fed up with his comments. I'm guessed I'm tired, but I'm still in the mood of shouting out loud that the PRC doesn't deserve anything, not even respect from anyone by the path they are taking. It has become so much of a boring routine that no one dares to talk about anymore and that's quite a shame when this IS a living hell. Last edited by Daniel E.; 2012-09-17 at 17:18. |
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2012-09-16, 05:12 | Link #23690 |
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Really, the Mongol invasion parts are ignorant..... I'm on a Galaxy Tab, so bear the short answers,
First invasion, the Koreans were the spearhead, basically pushing the Japanese to the point only on fortress was left to take over in Kyushu. When the storm came, the Mongols forced a retreat into the boats while the Koreans wanted to do the final battle. The Mongols basically sank themselves with their judgment, while the Koreans mostly survived and returned. Second invasion, the troops were mostly Mongol/Han with the Koreans playing a minor role. Because of the disaster from the previous invasion the Japanese were more prepared, and the Mongol tactic of mass landings actually hindered the Mongols. Then the storm came and the ending was repeated, with Koreans going away safe. In both invasions, the Japanese never actually beat the invaders, and almost got conquered if it weren't for the misjudgments of the Mongols. About modernization: It is easier to change a small country than a large one. Japan could take the change because it had a small group of elites that controled everything, whereas Qing had to deal with too many different interests. You're comparing apples and watermelons. |
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But when the Japanese populations realise how the British played dirty by getting their richer neighbour hooked on opium and started "the rush for China", they began to fear for themselves, decided that it not worth tackling the gaijins head on and switched tactics. That's is also the moment they loose the respect they had for the Chinese. |
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2012-09-16, 05:42 | Link #23695 |
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I personally love Jewish people, on the whole. I don't understand why so many people hate them. But I hate to say it, but if the Jewish religion was much bigger in amount of followers throughout history and much more widespread, you'd most likely have a long history of violence and warfare like you find in the histories of Christianity and Islam.
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Much of their forces drowned, stranded with no supplies and equipment sunk to the bottom of ocean, no reinforcements, and hell of a lot more island monkeys to fight against. Oh boy, we gonna take this land now! Yeah, no.
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2012-09-16, 06:41 | Link #23699 |
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but the Haredi are still Jews in the end.
mind you, annoying as hell Jews, but still Jews. it doesn't change Demographics in the traditional sort of way.
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