2007-03-22, 00:07 | Link #1 |
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[Manga] 2.5 Years Wasted On Sasuke's Part
Since the previous chapters have revealed some things, I've concluded that Sasuke wasted all that time training under Oro. Undoubtedly the training consisted mostly of Oro teaching Sasuke forbidden, S-level jutsu. However, like Sasuke and Itachi said to Oro, "All your jutsus are useless against these eyes". So, I ask, what Sasuke could have possibly gained training under Oro to prepare him to fight Itachi. If ALL of Oro's jutsus are useless against the Sharingan, what point was there for Sasuke to learn those same jutsus that would be "useless" against Itachi's Sharingan? He would have been better off training under Gai or Jirayi.
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2007-03-22, 00:20 | Link #2 |
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That's probably not it. We can assume that he has greatly trained his body (Since it's what Orochimaru wants after all), gained a lot of knowledge about the sharingan, learned fighting styles to counter Itachi and probably took drugs to improve himself to the current level.
I cant say that he could've done this with any other teacher, really. |
2007-03-22, 00:27 | Link #3 |
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Yeah this is a point of contention i have with the plot. If Oro could not beat Itachi to begin with then why bother? The whole "training Sasuke's body" arguement is dumb for the simple reason that Oro could train that body himself if it was not up to par.
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2007-03-22, 00:33 | Link #4 |
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Why? You're saying a teacher cant teach a student to surpass himself? Sasuke already had the genius (and according to Oro, a greater potential then Itachi) which means that with proper training from one of the strongest characters in the manga, he could reach that potential.
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2007-03-22, 00:36 | Link #5 | |
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The drugs seem useless other than to make Sasuke feel like he was becoming stronger to keep him content. As for the training of the body, no doubt he could have done that without Oro, and even still, I doubt Oro would be superior, in terms of body training, to Gai. Again, like Sasuke said Oro jutsus, Oro power, was useless against his eyes. So Sasuke obtaining Oro's jutsus and "power" seems just as useless, against Itachi. |
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2007-03-22, 00:50 | Link #6 |
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Like u said, "All your jutsus are useless against these eyes". But becouse Sasuke have same eyes as Itachi, they will fight with usual jutsu, thats why Sasuke need all jutsu he can learn.
I guess Orochi was better then Itachi in taijutsu and ninjutsu but he couldnt compete with Sharingans genjutsu .. thats why Oro needed Sharingan so he can be unbeatable. |
2007-03-22, 01:24 | Link #7 | |
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I doubt that...just because they both have Sharingan doesn't mean that normal jutsus will suddenly work. While one Sharingan wouldn't be able to counter the actual abilities of the other Sharingan (such as Tsukuyomi and the genjutsu at a glance), it would still work fine on standard jutsus requiring seals, taijutsu, normal genjutsu, and the like UNLESS one was able to perform them so quickly that the other could not follow (such as when Itachi uses seals so fast that Kakashi can't see them with his Sharingan or when Naruto moves so fast that Sasuke can't follow his movements)...in which case one would outclass the other and the battle would prettymuch already be decided. |
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2007-03-22, 01:36 | Link #8 | |
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HOWEVER, we won't know whether it IS actually a waste until we see how Sasuke progresses on his own now. If he gets substantially stronger on his own now to the extent that he can reasonably fight Itachi, then training with Orochimaru provided a very necessary power boost that got him close enough to Itachi's level for the fact that Oro was weaker than Itachi to be rendered moot. Very interesting point, Sinaura. And sorry if that wasn't so coherent, but I'm sleepy |
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2007-03-22, 05:30 | Link #10 | |
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No Sasuke's last years weren't wasted -it's kind of funny to see this thread among all the "Sasuke's overpowered" comments though- Oro's training obviously helped Sasuke to reach his potential as an incredible rate and except for the MS he also has shown incredible Sharingan improvement that Kakashi could only dream off. |
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2007-03-22, 07:31 | Link #11 |
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I don't think it was a waste at all for Sasuke. An elite ninja will know multiple jutsu to help with an array of situations. Also, to use the sharingan to its fullest he should understand the mechanics of different elemenal jutsu if he would ever decide to copy them like Kakashi. It was also to Oro's benefit to train Sasuke for 2.5 yrs so the body would have a decent enough powerlevel when he took over. Oro wouldn't want to set himself back 2+ yrs just because he took over a new body. In those 2.5 yrs Oro probably helped Sasuke learn to develope jutsu so that on his own Sasuke would improve his sharingan, develope variations on his older jutsu, and create new ones. This would give Oro even more new jutsu which we all know he loved.
The only thing he probably missed out on is sharingan training. Kakashi could have trained Sasuke on his sharingan and even taught him how to aquire MS the non Itachi way. I'm pretty sure now that he didn't develope MS from Obito dieing simple because after Naruto came back Kakashi stated that he had developed a new powerful jutsu. After seeing it in the anime I reread some of the early manga to verify. So we could be certain that IF Sasuke would have stayed he probably would have attained MS by now. |
2007-03-22, 08:27 | Link #12 | |
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And I was tickled myself when I saw this thread...especially since I myself am amoung the Sasuke is overpowered (or, more specifically, the Sharingan is overpowered) crowd. |
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2007-03-22, 08:40 | Link #13 |
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Sorry but you don't make much sense, Kishimoto makes everything in the first place so of course he's responsible.
Kakashi might have been a great teacher too but I doubt he would have been greater than Orochimaru save for the MS depending of the way he obtained it. You don't have to have the same fighting style to train someone. |
2007-03-22, 09:05 | Link #14 | |
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2007-03-22, 09:14 | Link #15 |
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I understood what you mean but I disagree, like I said you don't have to use the same abilities than your students to teach them.
Hence Jiraiya/Yondaime/Naruto, Asuma/Shika/Ino/Chouji, Gai/Neji/Ten-Ten, Kurenai/Shino/Hinata/Kiba, Sarutobi/Jiraiya/Oro/Tsunade, etc. |
2007-03-22, 10:28 | Link #16 | |
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Ok if he erase Sasuke who will be next on your list of overpowered ppl ? Itachi ? AL ? Shikamaru ? Gaara ? Erase them all till only your favorite char stay .. |
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2007-03-22, 11:38 | Link #17 | |
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Oh, by the way, my favorite character is already dead, and you know what? I'm good with it, he died at the appropriate time and appropriate place in the plot. It was a good way to go. |
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2007-03-22, 12:30 | Link #20 | |
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Wow...I had a more to write...but my building just started to get torn down by wind. Shit I hate the Middle East...I have to go try and save a bay door, more to follow! UPDATE: Holy shit...wild, man...just wild...55 knot winds just tore the shit out of the majority of this gods-forsaken base. I'm talking sheet metal flying around, bay doors ripped off their runners, tents shredded, the faces of warehouses torn off...crazy. We were out there using big pallets of water bottles to secure buildings with ripped off walls and shit, it was awesome! The walls were flexing...man...this is better than most of the tornadoes I went through as a kid. Last edited by Hentai Guy; 2007-03-22 at 13:53. Reason: Disaster |
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