Ever17 -The Out of Infinity-

[kgptzac]

Originally Posted by Enerccio

Well, that is impossible
She only know who he was.

Spoiler:

not in the beginning though, thogh i would imagine she learned the true identity of "Takeshi" later days... i remember him saying that (in 2034) that she needs to be "secured", in the chinese version there's a implied hint of she probably went a bit violent with him before they all met on the first day.

fear the power of Moon and Sea!!

edit: also... is there anyone here speaks japanese or have friends who are/speak Japanese who can, uhm, translate the visual fan book...? @_@ some of the info are realllllllllllly helpful... T_T now i'm looking at the thing and guessing its meaning from the few kanji that i know, <_>

[Matt Soulblade]

Im sure all of you know this already, but...

http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2007/1037.html
http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2007/1038.html

KID is back . Purchased by "Ciberfront", thats it.

*quickly escapes off the spoilery tread *

[Supergrunch]

I didn't know that! Great news, I really want to see how someone will manage a game about calculus.

[G005]

KID is back . Purchased by "Ciberfront", thats it.

Just to clarify, the company KID remains very dead (this means that the legal entity will be dissolved, and that the management staff will probably not be retained). However, the brand name and intellectual properties have been purchased by Cyberfront. You can compare this to how UbiSoft purchased the Might & Magic IP, or how Eidos purchased Thief when the respective studios went bankrupt.

What this means is that KID's franchises will remain alive, although under the direction of another publisher/studio. Nonetheless, KID relied on a lot of external contractors (they had few employees left by the time of bankruptcy. Much of 12Riven was being developed on a subcontract basis), so some of the original project staff may be available for future work.

[kgptzac]

indeed, cyberfront (not ciberfront...>.>) now has the rights of all previous KID titles as well as the ways for distributing them. Rumor says cyberfront is rich and I hope more of the KID's good stuff come out to be translated for those that don't speak japanese (+1 for non ero!)

regarding to 12riven, i think it says in the news that it will be out in 2007. The plot introduction for 12r is awesome, but I dunno if this time there will be an infinity loop... but I think it may become a better success than Remember 11 and get to be sold on PC ^^

[G005]

Rumor says cyberfront is rich

That would be helpful. I don't know how big the company is, but they're definitely a key publisher/distributor of Western PC games in Japan. They also publish plenty of software for Gainax.

[Matt Soulblade]

Originally Posted by G005

That would be helpful. I don't know how big the company is, but they're definitely a key publisher/distributor of Western PC games in Japan. They also publish plenty of software for Gainax.

Gainax. GRRRRR. Anyways, this is good news, and luckily we will have more KID for the time being.

[kgptzac]

Sources say that SDR Project is likely to finish up the left-over titles such as Memories Off 5 Encore and 12Riven, yay. I think most people just want closure of some sort. I guess for us it's really the best deal so far.

[rhyein]

Just finished this game, and I must say it was great. However, there are a few questions that are left in my mind.

Spoiler for Questions:

1) In Coco's ending, Sora (in the epilogue) does the "Keep it simple!" line while fixing Pipi. I know that Takeshi tells her to do that in Sora's ending, but don't recall him telling her that in Tsugumi OR Coco's endings. Did he? If not, how exactly does that work? (Because AFAIK, Coco's route uses Tsugumi's ending and not Sora's, pity because Sora is my favorite character. )

2) This is sort of the complex part. In the beginning, before you were locked into one perspective, you were always in 2017 when you played as Takeshi, and 2034 when you played as "the kid" right? The reason I ask is because, if that was true, then Tsugumi made Hokuto wear the costume in 2034, but you see no reference to it again in 2034. However, in 2017, Takeshi finds Ryogo inside the Lemur outfit (we can assume that he got costume raped by Tsugumi this time too). Ryogo collapses, and is taken to the infirmary. Then the alarms sound and the events start. So... uh... why was Hokuto inside the infirmary? Was he the one that jumped into the pool? And if so, what happened to his Lemur outfit?

3) The life signs confused the stuffing out of me, I'm not even sure where to start with that.

4) In Takeshi's routes, you always met the kid once and he didn't remember your name or anything else. (After this you told him to take notes etc etc) I'm almost sure there's some significance to that, but can't figure it out. Anyone know the answer?

[kgptzac]

hehe, most of those questions i think are already answered either here... or you probably can help yourself on my study page: http://www.kgptzac.info/ever17.html I'll discuss those stuff if needed

[AvatarST]

Just so you guys don't think you're the only ones with Ever17 avatars and sigs

[4as]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRCJLbC0ASk
Anyone have a source for a high quality version of this?

[luckyovermind]

I think kgptzac's website has that

http://www.kgptzac.info/ever17.html

Ever 17 MAD - "Strangeness" by Operation Legend

[4as]

Originally Posted by luckyovermind

I think kgptzac's website has that

http://www.kgptzac.info/ever17.html

Ever 17 MAD - "Strangeness" by Operation Legend

But it is still streaming :S
However I found a ddl link at
http://community.hirameki-int.com/mo...&sty=1&num=l50
There is some other interesting stuff here as well.

[randomshinichi]

If I hadn't played E17 before I wouldn't have even bothered, but now:
RPGFan and Visual-Novels.net report that KID is back up, thanks to Cyberfront! Personally, I wouldn't buy a bankrupt company, but there goes my lack of business acumen...

[kgptzac]

Originally Posted by 4as

But it is still streaming :S
However I found a ddl link at
http://community.hirameki-int.com/mo...&sty=1&num=l50
There is some other interesting stuff here as well.

the divX site does provide a download function, though, where you can download it, and play with CCCP (no i don't think you have to install the divx player for offline purpose)

Originally Posted by randomshinichi

If I hadn't played E17 before I wouldn't have even bothered, but now:
RPGFan and Visual-Novels.net report that KID is back up, thanks to Cyberfront! Personally, I wouldn't buy a bankrupt company, but there goes my lack of business acumen...

sadistically said, KID went down is precisely because of the common trend of people demand of galgames with a lot of ecchi in them, which is kinda pathetic IMO. KID was famous of making non 18+ adv games, MO series and Infinity series are the milestones and are at the peak of the industry. E17 and Infinity is not about ecchi, obviously. It was a tragedy people could not accept a game like Remember 11... maybe not in the ero infested Japan... i guess if it's translated into english (and actually a good translation...), plus a different market strategy aiming not at those who looks for anime-style women with big boobs and horny CG's, but at those who enjoy detective/mystery/adventure novels and films etc, will it succeed? i entirely wish so.

[G005]

Personally, I wouldn't buy a bankrupt company, but there goes my lack of business acumen...

They didn't. Cyberfront only bought KID's brand name and intellectual properties (as part of KID's liquidation process), so it isn't like they're absorbing the latter's liabilities. KID is dead, while another company has picked up what they once owned.

There may still be some market value in the Memories Off and Infinity franchises, provided that Cyberfront treats them with care.

sadistically said, KID went down is precisely because of the common trend of people demand of galgames with a lot of ecchi in them, which is kinda pathetic IMO. KID was famous of making non 18+ adv games, MO series and Infinity series are the milestones and are at the peak of the industry.

The console galge market is somewhat distinct from the PC eroge industry Also, there're new publishers coming in all the time (and consider Cyberfront's quick move to acquire KID's IP), so profitability can't be that bad. Last year alone, Prototype (ex-Interchannel), ARIA (August), and Sweets (Broccoli + Circus) were established, so investors are hardly fleeing the market.

From what's being said, KID went bankrupt through their own fault. Instead of concentrating on a few high quality games, they flooded the market with poorly received products (about one release per month) that consistently lost money. This bet-hedging strategy only intensified when they shifted publishing to the PS2 (i.e. with such a large PS2 userbase, they churned out even more product in the hopes that they might just stumble upon the hit), leading up to their bankruptcy.

Memories Off was run to the ground. The first two games were very popular, but as the series continued, both critical opinion and sales plummeted. That's a deathblow when

a) your overhead is high relative to other galge publishers/developers
b) your success was mainly built on one major IP (Memories Off)

Over time, KID lost the core staff on both the MO and Infinity series, so I wouldn't be surprised if some developers got cold feet with regard to corporate strategy/ideals.

E17 and Infinity is not about ecchi, obviously. It was a tragedy people could not accept a game like Remember 11... maybe not in the ero infested Japan... i guess if it's translated into english (and actually a good translation...), plus a different market strategy aiming not at those who looks for anime-style women with big boobs and horny CG's, but at those who enjoy detective/mystery/adventure novels and films etc, will it succeed? i entirely wish so.

In the console ADV/VN market, I don't think oversexualization is a requirement for success. However, it's true that romance and cute characters (it's the moé) are important. After all, the consumer demand is primarily for galge and not other types of stories (although there've been exceptions like Kamaitachi no Yoru and Snatcher).

Mainstream and hardcore gamers don't want such non-interactive experiences. However, hope may potentially lie in the new casual game market that's springing up (mostly DS-playing fans of Brain Training, Nintendogs, etc. I think Phoenix Wright may be a start).

[AvatarST]

In the console ADV/VN market, I don't think oversexualization is a requirement for success. However, it's true that romance and cute characters (it's the moé) are important.

I do find that a bit sad in itself, though. If moé elements were less important, we'd get more stories like Ever17. A nice balance of the two types of story, character focus (moé appeal) on one side and plot focus on the other, would be nice for the visual novel world. Alas, things aren't always the way one wants them to be...

[luckyovermind]

Originally Posted by kgptzac

sadistically said, KID went down is precisely because of the common trend of people demand of galgames with a lot of ecchi in them, which is kinda pathetic IMO.

Remember that many people are fans, but few are industry experts. So you gotta be careful about comments posted on the internet. Look for those who can put together a decent argument, like G005 did

[Enerccio]

Originally Posted by rhyein

Just finished this game, and I must say it was great. However, there are a few questions that are left in my mind.

Spoiler for Questions:

1) In Coco's ending, Sora (in the epilogue) does the "Keep it simple!" line while fixing Pipi. I know that Takeshi tells her to do that in Sora's ending, but don't recall him telling her that in Tsugumi OR Coco's endings. Did he? If not, how exactly does that work? (Because AFAIK, Coco's route uses Tsugumi's ending and not Sora's, pity because Sora is my favorite character. )

2) This is sort of the complex part. In the beginning, before you were locked into one perspective, you were always in 2017 when you played as Takeshi, and 2034 when you played as "the kid" right? The reason I ask is because, if that was true, then Tsugumi made Hokuto wear the costume in 2034, but you see no reference to it again in 2034. However, in 2017, Takeshi finds Ryogo inside the Lemur outfit (we can assume that he got costume raped by Tsugumi this time too). Ryogo collapses, and is taken to the infirmary. Then the alarms sound and the events start. So... uh... why was Hokuto inside the infirmary? Was he the one that jumped into the pool? And if so, what happened to his Lemur outfit?

3) The life signs confused the stuffing out of me, I'm not even sure where to start with that.

4) In Takeshi's routes, you always met the kid once and he didn't remember your name or anything else. (After this you told him to take notes etc etc) I'm almost sure there's some significance to that, but can't figure it out. Anyone know the answer?

Spoiler for Answers:

1) In coco ending, there are both types - even tsugumi and sora. There was that section with keep it simple

2)That was long on me mind, but i sorted up. You play as Hokuto in 2034 so when someone is runnig towards you in main building, it is Ryogo, but at the moment when he founds you and ask, you take control of Takeshi in 2017 so you meet Ryogo but in kid version + coco. For the second part, Tsugumi gave that costume to both kids i think.

3) Well it could be Chami or Blick Winkel... or it could be Yous father, because when he was in IBF, Lemu could not track him, but when he was in Himmel, it could.

4) I think there is no reason, Ryogo just had another small amnesia (or maybe he was sick with some disease and cure fix it up)