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Perfect 10 | 365 | 44.95% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 199 | 24.51% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 92 | 11.33% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 76 | 9.36% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 31 | 3.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 20 | 2.46% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 9 | 1.11% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 4 | 0.49% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 2 | 0.25% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 14 | 1.72% | |
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2010-03-09, 20:15 | Link #1525 |
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Animation: 10 The anime is beautiful! i liked the detailing of the characters and thge, mechs and environment.
Voice Acting: 10 The voice actors are awesome in Code Geass they make the character. Scripting: 9.5 i liked the numerous plot twists that makes the story line great. Editing: 9 Just perfect __________________ Totally Perfect Anime!! ________________________ |
2010-03-21, 04:50 | Link #1527 |
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Setting: I'm a bit iffed about the whole confusing alternate history (let's just say B.Franklin's descendants won't be happy). And why a ultra-nationalistic government would be so embracing of Italian culture.
Voice acting: Great stuff Plot: I think the problem with C.G is that it became overly-ambitious by throwing so much of everything in. I would only recommend watching up to the part where Pendragon is invaded. Up to that point, it had all been very understandable another white guy leads minority uprising in vein of Last Samurai, Avatar etc. But then they went into the whole exaggerated philosophy of 'killing Gods of Free Will' or 'one tyrant's death as matyr can lead to lifetime to peace' That just confused the shit out of me. Other issues: Well the school episodes annoyed me but they were useful in setting up for something major later on. Also, I do think that there is a strong anti-American subtext in this show since for starters... 1. Japan is undergoing a great economic time 2. Soldiers from the Americans come and invade, subjugate citizens to secondary status 3. Military wants to continue to fight on in hopeless odds but fail (interesting note: Some officers after the bomb was dropped in Japan wanted to stage a coup on the emperor and continue the fight). Not to say there's anything wrong with that since I firmly believe in not criticising any form of entertainment on subtext and regardless the mecha fights were entertaining. And hey, anti-Americanism in anime is ok since I'm a little Anti-American myself. And now for mechas. Mechas: I understand that we needed some new toys to keep the audience entertained otherwise they'd be bored after a while. But to the end, it seems magical prototype (emphasis on prototype) kept on appearing in the space of months or weeks and quickly outdated one military hardware after another. Thanks a lot Hadron Cannons, no more air support needed. First the tanks, then the fixed wing aircraft and then we get giant freaking robots capable of taking down an entire freaking army. Technological advances in military don't happen that quick. |
2010-03-21, 05:46 | Link #1528 | |
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Scene directing was for me the bigest mistake the second season had. You got to admit though that 99% of their plans was using a magic gizmo no one knew how it works. Their genious was mostly abusing the ignorance of others, plus having a trinket that is simply too imba. Genious is for me someone who can win with his wits. Not by using magic on people who have no idea what it is. |
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2010-03-21, 06:04 | Link #1529 | |
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1. Geass a massive amount of people to do whatever I want That's it He didn't do anything else. Take the million Zero scene for example, even if Lelouch somehow geassed the cities tailors to make 1 million zero costumes how does he explain the mass blackouts and how does he recruit a million people anyway, the Black Knights are not a million people strong, and even if he brought in family than that still wouldn't even come close to making up the numbers. How the hell did Britannia never notice this? As for Code Geass being anti-american, frankly I never saw that, Code Geass was simply insanely nationalistic with the Japanese presented as the best fighters, and by far the most capable leaders. |
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2010-03-21, 09:42 | Link #1530 |
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Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Germany
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Sometimes, realism isn't that important. Come on, Charles geassing the Student Council alone is pretty strange, and yet it only bothers me when trying to explain it in fanwork. Even in S1, Code Geass never tried to make 100% sense - just enough to be awesome.
The mention of the Zero thing just made me think of the anime "Durarara". Don't know if you're watching it, but something very meaningful, yet, I believe, highly unrealistic happened there recently. I haven't heard anyone complaining so far, though, because like CG, Duarara is not trying to be 100% realistic. This is true for a lot of great animes, and I just can't find it in me to be bothered as long as the unrealistic scenes have meaning.
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2010-03-21, 12:49 | Link #1531 | ||
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First of all, whatever technology Japan had was dwarfed by Britannia a la the knightmare frame, as well the Tokyo Settlement seems very clean and the prevalence of solar panels demonstrate a focus on the use of clean energy sources. In the first season, the two best fighters are Japanese, and half japanese respectively, but by R2 Britannia cranks out the Rounds, giving them 12 Suzakus (and I personally believe Bismarck was a notch above Suzaku and Kallen). Second, as you pointed out this isn't the first show to employ the Mighty Whitey trope where a caucasian comes in and saves the natives from something. While the Japanese may be something of a Proud Warrior Race, they still need Lelouch to hold their hands through pretty much everything, and completely fall apart without him. As well, the Britannians seem to be the only ones with any competent leaders, many of whom are a decade or more younger than the only competent Japanese leader, Tohdoh. The Britannians may be racist, but the Japanese are not portrayed as being any better. In the pre-series Picture Dramas and Sound Episodes it is shown that Genbu Kururugi left Lelouch and Nunally in a storehouse, Suzaku was a huge bigot, and the 'security' at the shrine were only supposed to ensure that Lelouch didn't try to kill himself or run away. They stood by as a group of Japanese kids knocked Lelouch down and began kicking him in the head. It is also explained that Genbu was inciting bidding wars between other nations for the sakuradite, and generally being a manipulative bastard. Then, when Britannia invades, Genbu plans to fight to the death, prolonging the war and causing the CF or EU to jump in. As Lelouch speculated, if this had happened, no one would be able to secure Japan, and would have resulted in the fighting continuing possibly into the present. Needless to say, this would have devastated Japan, and shows that Genbu was willing to sacrifice his nation for his ego, and apparently a good amount of the citizens and military were too. Several of Kallen's team want to use the "poison gas" capsule they steal in the middle of a city (being stopped ironically by the half-caucasian girl), and several of them attempt to gang up on two highschool kids later. Suzaku needs to be saved from dying by Lelouch three times in the first season. Ohgi deceives and abandons his own allies multiple times and proposes the idea to betray Zero for Japan, which is basically them betraying the entire UFN. Even Tohdoh and Suzaku make comments that indicate that they and the other Japanese don't much care if the world beyond their borders burns as long as they get their country. In the end the world needs the white guy to save it from itself. Quote:
How so? Keeping Lelouch's false life familiar would likely keep little 'thorns' from growing in the back of his mind, and he couldn't have familiar friends asking about why he was a prince if he didn't remember. |
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2010-03-21, 14:49 | Link #1532 | |
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Supposing he got the whole Student Council to Britannia and back somehow without anyone noticing - how could he know that no one had any close contact to their old classmates anymore? Did he geass the whole school after they'd returned to Britannia, as well as anyone they had been in contact with? That's... impossible to pull off, I believe. Charles would have had to know everything about every single student, and he'd have needed to burn all their personal belongings that might give them essential hints. The memory thing didn't even work with Shirley because Lelouch missed her diary, so how is it supposed to be doable when it's several hundreds of people instead?
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2010-03-21, 14:50 | Link #1533 | |
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Thus, I strongly disagree with that opinion (in bold) as it takes away from the very heart of what makes Code Geass stand out alone from most other anime. I don't see Code Geass as anti-American at all, if by "american" you're referring to the United States of America. If however you're thinking of the americas as a whole, then I can see how Code Geass could possibly come across that way. Britainnia itself encompasses nearly 1/3 of the world much like the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics did, and much of South America is Socialist, so there is some credence to your view if we are to assume that Nationalist Socialism is the prevelant ideology of Britainnia (which it is in part). It is clear that Britannia is more akin to the governments of dictators like Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro, and the other Totalitarian Socialist-pigs of Central and Southern America. The regimes of Stalin, Mao, and Hitler are what Britiannia was modeled after in Code Geass. The Eugenic overtones of Social-Darwinism alone (in Charles' speech in the first season) clearly show this. (From Episode 6 of S1, "The Stolen Mask") All men…are NOT created equal! Some are born smarter, or more beautiful, or with parents of greater status. Some, by contrast, are born weak of body or mind, or with few, if any, talents. All men are different! Yes, the very existence of man is discriminatory! That's why there is war, violence and unrest. Inequality is not evil. Equality is! What became of the EU, who claimed that all are equal? It is in constant conflict because its tenets go against human nature! The Middle Eastern Federation, which harbors similar sentiments, is constantly mired with sloths! But our Britannia is not like them! We put an end to wars and evolve with every conquest! Britannia alone looks forward and moves forward to a better future! The death of my son Clovis is yet more proof that our empire is evolving. Fight! For the future rests in the hands of its ruler! ALL HAIL BRITANNIA!!!!!That speech is in direct contrast to the Declaration of Indepence of the United States which states; ...We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that among those are Life, Liberty, and the persuit of happiness--That to secure these Rights, Governemnts are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...That's the polar opposite of Charles' speech. Much of old Chuck's speech also mirrors Mussolini's Fascist doctrine. A self appointed (through the barrel of a gun) ruling Oligarch like Fidel Castro or a terrorist like Che Guvera, did kill innocent women and childen in gulags like those of the La Cabana consentration camps. The Nazis of Germany are infamous for their camps and mass killings, as is the USSR in the Katyn Massacre and Ukrainian Holocaust. Britannian did the same thing to the Japanese in Shinjuku and the other Japanse ghettos. Look at Cornelia (in episode 7 Attack Cornelia), she went ahead and had people mowed down because she believed they were conspiring with terrorists in Saitama ghetto. That reminds me of Tiananmen square when the Communist Chinese murdered student-protestors with tanks because they dared to disagree with the party-line. We saw a lot of that kind of Totalitarian oppressive attitude in the Britannian leaders of Code Geass. Look at the second episode (The White Knight Awakens) where Clovis makes a mockery of the mass murder he has ordered in Shinjuku, then goes back to the party he's having without missing a beat. It shows he cares nothing for people of Japan or their lives. I'm sure it can be argued he got that way due to his upbringing. Speaking of which, look at Charles' complete disregard for humanity with the Ragnarok connection. That kind of thinking is dripping with Scientific-Socialist and Fascist dogma both of which stem from Nieztche, Hegel, and Charles Furrier's ideas of Utopia through the merging of all mankind into one collective being. None of which has ever bore any fruit, well maybe a few, Furrier certainly was one--Oceans of Lemonaid my ass In contrast to Britannia we have Lelouch, and his Black Knights. From the very begining Lelouch says, "Its not me who was wrong. It was the world." Okouchi also makes a direct attack on Maoist-Socialist philosophy when he has Lelouch state to the KGB/KVD/SS trooper-wanna-be in front of him, "What's wrong? Why not shoot? Your opponent is just a schoolboy. Or have you finally realized…the only ones who should kill are those who are prepared to be killed! That flys in the face of Mao's "All political power comes from the barrel of a gun" statement. Mao and his cohorts were not prepared to be killed like Lelouch was. That's what the writer is trying to say here, that all dictators, no matter who they may be, are cowards. From the captain of the local secret police all the way up to the chairman of the party, or in the Case of Code Geass, the Emperor, they are nothing but stinking yellow-bellies. Lelouch forms the United States of Japan in R2 in order to free Japan (which is simply a benefit for the Japanese people as his real intent is personal). That's a direct parallel to the creation of the United States of America. Okouchi might be scolding the US for becoming too much like the former Soviet Union (and I would agree we are), but I see nothing that denigrates or derides our Constitution and its Bill of Rights or the Laissez Faire Capitalist system we were supposed to have (but never did thanks to Alexander Hamiliton). Code Geass is a superb series BECAUSE it points out, through its fictional world, the truths of the "isms" and "ologies" of the Real World. It weighs them, measures them, and points out the simple fact that any system which is Totalitarian is found to be WANTING. In addition, Okouchi and Taniguichi show us at the very end of the entire series, with Lelouch's final act (Zero Requiem), that Lord Acton was right: Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely Code Geass is a fantastic anime (even with its problems, which I will not go into). However, I see nothing in it that takes away from the founding documents of the United States or the principles of Liberal-Capitalism. Corporatism, well now that's another matter, for another discussion, at another time. Last edited by GundamFan0083; 2010-03-21 at 15:01. |
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2010-03-21, 15:13 | Link #1534 | |
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Obviously that creates its own slew of logic flaws, so I'll attempt a theory that doesn't require one to suffer head trauma to accept it. Since Ashford was a boarding school and it was indeed mentioned that pretty much all of the students save for the Student Council went back to the mainland, it would be fairly easy for them to be intercepted in transit, or back home and Geassed to forget Nunally and whatever else. Since they were coming home from afar, there was only a limited amount of stuff they could bring with them and it could be sifted through to remove any pictures. Anything else about Nunally, like gifts might be taken or left, but the giver would be forgotten, like how Shirley forgot that it was Nunally who taught her about origami cranes and wishes. Ashford itself was being patrolled by a surveliance team, so it was certainly gone over with a fine-toothed comb to remove all images and records of Nunally. |
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2010-03-21, 15:23 | Link #1535 | ||
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Then again, Charles only needed to keep Lelouch away until Ragnarok and didn't really seem to care that much, so I suppose I can buy this. I just... have trouble believing the staff really thought this through, for some reason.
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2010-03-21, 15:40 | Link #1536 | |
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As for the children telling relatives about Lelouch and all, if worse came to worse, Chalres could have the students' families' homes' checked and them Geassed, but it might be reasonable for them to being given a memory of something where they don't like Lelouch anymore for some reason and want to drop him and all reminders of him. "Oh, he wasn't who I thought he was...I'd rather not dwell on it." Alternately they could be given a memory to mistake their crush for a different guy with an invalid little sister. A few doctored photos, and the "target" of these crushes is born, and just "sadly" can't be tracked down by any of the girls. Preaching to the choir. |
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2010-03-21, 16:15 | Link #1538 |
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Code Geass, like many other famous anime, is all about ideas, aesthetics and otaku catering. NOT reason. You can find as many plot holes, inconsistencies and errors you like; the fans of this title still like it for entirely different reasons.
Cool mecha Sexy chicks Trendy clothes Funky magic eyes Where does Charles geassing the council fit in all this? Nowhere. It was cool. Who cares if it makes no sense? |
2010-03-21, 18:29 | Link #1539 | ||
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They then tell you to root for the side with Lelouch. There was no attempt to protray Lelouch as wrong, when people find out his plan they instantly agree with it, and the final epilogue shows how Lelouch's genocide brought world peace in an act that is based off of nothing. Certainly not what happened after World War II where Russia tried to take over Germany, and one of the numerous reasons for the nuke was to force Japan to ally itself completely with America. You can claim that Okouchi and Taniguchi are visionaries but frankly their is no vision. Code Geass was made to be popular they combined Death Note with mechas, and blatantly shilled for Pizza Hut. They added Clamp so that they would design the males to be sexy with women. They could have denounced Lelouch's actions as horrifying, and self serving but they did the exact opposite, they claim his a hero. Quote:
As for the Britannians having competent leaders, the vast majority of Britannian leaders where insane (Lelouch, Schneizel, and Charles) and/or completely incompetent (basically everyone). Take Lelouch's actions after he leaves the Black Knights, instead of using charisma to win them back he basically tells them to F-Off. Do I even need to point out that one General shot the plane he was riding in down, or the fact that the average Britannians response to lelouch was to stand still and wait to be geassed. As for Toudou he lost every battle he commanded in the series, and was at one point outsmarted by Suzaku. The only person who could effectively lead was Xingke. Last edited by Charred Knight; 2010-03-21 at 18:50. |
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