(L) Girls und Panzer

[arkhangelsk]

Well, that's their own darn fault, because no portrayal short of (maybe) letting them win would please them. So now even the Belgians and Bulgarians get representation, but not them.

There is a reason why in P.T.O III (Japanese: 提督の決断III) there were plenty of Chinese cities, but China is skipped in P.T.O. IV...

[The Green One]

In regards to a 2nd season I'm torn. Part of me would love a 2nd season and happily watch it.

The other part of me is concerned that I just can't think of how the 2nd season could top the 1st. It would be an awfully hard act to follow. One of the main complaints I hear with 2nd season shows is that it's inferior to the first season.

[Sumeragi]

The problem I see with Season 2 is simple: What will be the main goal this time?

[RRW]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

The problem I see with Season 2 is simple: What will be the main goal this time?

completely different tournament

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by The Green One

In regards to a 2nd season I'm torn. Part of me would love a 2nd season and happily watch it.

The other part of me is concerned that I just can't think of how the 2nd season could top the 1st. It would be an awfully hard act to follow. One of the main complaints I hear with 2nd season shows is that it's inferior to the first season.

It's all about the tank action. If the second season can garner a bigger budget than the first (and maybe get promotional support from the JSDF and model companies), I can totally see it topping the first. The only question is whether the staff has the imagination and the choreography. Oh, and I hope that Mizushima can keep that iron grip in his direction too.

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

The problem I see with Season 2 is simple: What will be the main goal this time?

International Tournament. This time they'll go up against better opposition (and real foreigners).

[Sumeragi]

Not really my point. International tournament is fine, but what "urgency" does that have when compared to Season 1?

[4Tran]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Not really my point. International tournament is fine, but what "urgency" does that have when compared to Season 1?

The "we have to win or the school closes" plot in Girls und Panzer was the weakest part of the show. It was artificial, obvious, and unnecessary. The show worked just fine when it was fueled purely by awesome tank action.

[Tak]

I've always thought the 2nd season could feature (underrated-by-media) Cold War tanks. That way, even the Swedish gets a piece!

- Tak

[Random Wanderer]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

Not really my point. International tournament is fine, but what "urgency" does that have when compared to Season 1?

You mean in comparison to the school closing? Well we didn't really know about that (for certain anyway) until late in the season, and we still enjoyed it before then. And why do we need that sort of urgency? We enjoy watching girls and tanks. Without that kind of pressure, the girls will be focused more on having fun in senshado with each other, rather than trying desperation strategies to win.

[Ithekro]

With no urgency, they can actually lose in the International tournament. They can't really top a Maus in terms of huge and imposing. But if it is basically the same 8 tanks for Ooarai, they will be outclassed by just about anyone anyway.

They would showcase a full British force. An real Italian force. A Frence team. That sort of thing. And if they keep the Little Army story as the plot, than the end group will be Emi with a German team (again). That would be a repeat, but, German hardware is really popular.

[Gravitas Free Zone]

I wonder how the show would do with more time for out-of-tank character development. It might veer too close to a regular slice-of-life then, except... tanks.

Also, I agree that the "school will close unless you win" drama wasn't especially critical for our enjoying the show. While it was hinted at here and there (and Alisa mentioned it), I'd been having plenty of fun while totally ignoring that hook. It made winning the Pravda match very important, but even without OMGWEGONNACLOSE, the depiction of the finals was terrific.

Also, while you could interpret the senshado rules as "Only tanks in the pipeline by V-J Day are allowed (for high school)" to allow Cold War tanks for college, that kinda takes the charm out of it. Like how the T-62A takes the charm out of WoT.

[Tak]

Originally Posted by Endless Knackwurst

to allow Cold War tanks for college, that kinda takes the charm out of it. Like how the T-62A takes the charm out of WoT.

Hmm, would it? I've always wanted to see more media representation of cold war tanks, there just isn't enough.

Many good designs were made during the Cold War, could be interesting.

- Tak

[Panzerklein]

Originally Posted by Tak

Bah, China is just bitter because they weren't included in the GuP lineup!

- Tak

China jealous everything, they even give a lot of money to Wargaming's mouth to make their scrap copies even better than Russian's original tanks =)). Some example: Type 59 in WoT is very good med, but in Vietnam War, they only serve as trainning tank or reserved tanks because a lot of track/engine broke down, thus NVA use T-54/55 for most of tank battles, only few Type 59s were capture during VN War because engine broke down and left behind. In Border Vietnam-Sino War 1978~1979, China still use Type 59, Type 62, 63 (not their "very good" tanks in WoT) and were shoot down a lot by B-41 (RPG-7) due low quality steel.

[aldw]

Originally Posted by Panzerklein

China jealous everything, they even give a lot of money to Wargaming's mouth to make their scrap copies even better than Russian's original tanks =)). Some example: Type 59 in WoT is very good med, but in Vietnam War, they only serve as trainning tank or reserved tanks because a lot of track/engine broke down, thus NVA use T-54/55 for most of tank battles, only few Type 59s were capture during VN War because engine broke down and left behind. In Border Vietnam-Sino War 1978~1979, China still use Type 59, Type 62, 63 (not their "very good" tanks in WoT) and were shoot down a lot by B-41 (RPG-7) due low quality steel.

In general Chinese versions of Soviet hardware tended to be better built than the Soviet originals, even for aircraft, so I find such claims to be spurious at best. Also, during the Sino-Vietnamese border fights the primary Chinese tank used was the Type 62, which isn't noted for its armour protection.

[Myssa Rei]

Actually, if they do eventually pursue the International Competition thread, while we're likely going to see a lot of the tanks we've seen, we'll likely see variances in how they're used instead. Miho might not have exactly shaken the status quo with her very on-her-feet tactics and strategies, but it did give all the other schools' commanders stuff to think about.

Also, I do think that an actual national team would have far different styles of play compared to a school that's just emulating a stereoptype of them -- the German team might really be far different from Kuromorimine, for example, or the French team compared to Maginot.

[winhlp32]

Am I the only one who wants to see Miho take on her mom and her team of housewives in the second season?

[rocket]

Originally Posted by Sumeragi

The problem I see with Season 2 is simple: What will be the main goal this time?

Well I think we'd see a new personal theme developed, because the show is GIRLS as well as panzer.

So, either a final reconciliation with Miho and her mom, maybe even with Maho helping, or (just as likely) a new story. Maybe a girl who is enthusiastic about Tankery (contrast with the 1st season), but who's family (Dad maybe for contrast) can't understand. In that story Miho would be the Senpai and we'd get lots of cameos.

Now I'd be *all* over a cold war second season, but I'll be happy either way.

[Panzerklein]

Originally Posted by aldw

In general Chinese versions of Soviet hardware tended to be better built than the Soviet originals, even for aircraft, so I find such claims to be spurious at best. Also, during the Sino-Vietnamese border fights the primary Chinese tank used was the Type 62, which isn't noted for its armour protection.

Spurious? lolz. Vietnamese know the Chinese hardware better than other country. My grandfather was in tank unit of NVA, he said China gave NVA around 200 Type 59 first, but most of them quickly broken and unable to repair, after complant, China give better Type 59, but when mechanics maintain them, they use actually Soviet's engines, not Chinese engine like those before, lolz. But they still got trouble with track, easily got truck by mud in the forest, thus T-54/55 got from Soviet take most role in major tank battles, lolz.

Also, during Sino-Vietnamese border war, China's primary goal is capture Hanoi, the heaviest defended city with Vietnam's hundreads T-54, Type 59, and a lot of troops with RPG-7. But they only use Type 62 with weaker armor as primary tank? They're so smart then, lolz. In "China war with Việt Nam", there are around 500 Chinese tanks in North Vietnam, primary is Type 59, while Type 62 and 63 with fewer numbers only as support, and over other 400 Chinese Type 59s were deployed at border. At the end 420 Chinese tanks were destroyed, mostly are Type 59.

[aldw]

Originally Posted by Panzerklein

Spurious? lolz. Vietnamese know the Chinese hardware better than other country. My grandfather was in tank unit of NVA, he said China gave NVA around 200 Type 59 first, but most of them quickly broken and unable to repair, after complant, China give better Type 59, but when mechanics maintain them, they use actually Soviet's engines, not Chinese engine like those before, lolz. But they still got trouble with track, easily got truck by mud in the forest, thus T-54/55 got from Soviet take most role in major tank battles, lolz.

Also, during Sino-Vietnamese border war, China's primary goal is capture Hanoi, the heaviest defended city with Vietnam's hundreads T-54, Type 59, and a lot of troops with RPG-7. But they only use Type 62 with weaker armor as primary tank? They're so smart then, lolz. In "China war with Việt Nam", there are around 500 Chinese tanks in North Vietnam, primary is Type 59, while Type 62 and 63 with fewer numbers only as support, and over other 400 Chinese Type 59s were deployed at border. At the end 420 Chinese tanks were destroyed, mostly are Type 59.

Type 62s were the primary tank type in the border areas with Vietnam due to the lower ground pressure of those types vs Type 59s, reason of which PLA troops complained about wrt fire support. As for the quality of Type 59s the Iranians and Iraqis would be able give a more objective 3rd party view of its performance given that both sides used them during their long war.

Originally Posted by Myssa Rei

Actually, if they do eventually pursue the International Competition thread, while we're likely going to see a lot of the tanks we've seen, we'll likely see variances in how they're used instead. Miho might not have exactly shaken the status quo with her very on-her-feet tactics and strategies, but it did give all the other schools' commanders stuff to think about.

Also, I do think that an actual national team would have far different styles of play compared to a school that's just emulating a stereoptype of them -- the German team might really be far different from Kuromorimine, for example, or the French team compared to Maginot.

This is more on the mark than may seem at first, particularly since German military thought demanded both coordination and individual initiative from their troops, so a German national team would actually combine the best elements of Kuromine and Oorai methods but even more refined. The Canadian team I'd say would be formidable as well given that they were some of the best troops among the Western allies, and facing a Grizzly with the 17 pdr would be terrifying to the uninitiated.

[LoweGear]