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**Klashikari** · 2017-07-29, 17:45

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SKP2017 · 2017-07-30, 14:29

OMFG, I finally get to see astolfo getting nailed! 10/10!

AC-Phoenix · 2017-07-30, 20:32

Ok Typemoon I'll bite and just assume Jeanne can predict the future for now.

ReddyRedWolf · 2017-07-30, 20:52

Kay while Siegfried was the opposite of Shirou it seems Jeanne has a vision Sieg will become another hero. And being a hero sucks.

It looks everybody is going for the dangerous mother an daughter pair. Sieg will probably be dragged in it due to the chaos they bring.

Vlad is understanding at least of Astolfo. He seems lenient on Christian heroes like him and Jeanne.

Claus makes a good observation that the relationship of a Master and Servant needs communication than just orders. Fran is Moe as ever.

Rejoice! The war is over and won! What the hell did you do Shirou? Looks like he brainwashed the other masters now he'll get their command spell except for Mordred's which Sisigo has.

The way I see it are two freelancers, two teams, and team referee.

bakato · 2017-07-30, 21:55

I do not like these changes. Vlad and co.'s confrontation with Jeanne was dull and what the hell did they do with the JeannexSieg shipping?

belatkuro · 2017-07-30, 22:36

Heh, Ruler referred to Rider as 彼女(kanojo). It's a female pronoun. Meaning she mistook Astolfo as a girl

Obelisk ze Tormentor · 2017-07-30, 23:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by belatkuro

Heh, Ruler referred to Rider as 彼女(kanojo). It's a female pronoun. Meaning she mistook Astolfo as a girl

Heh, and people chastised me when I unconsciously called Astolfo "she" back then

. I think my mistake is pretty understandable when a character as good as Ruler from the same freakin' universe also mistook him for a girl

.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bakato

I do not like these changes. Vlad and co.'s confrontation with Jeanne was dull and what the hell did they do with the JeannexSieg shipping?

It's still the author's doing though. Maybe he saw/realized something in the novel that readers don't and decided to change things in this anime.

Dengar · 2017-07-31, 03:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by AC-Phoenix

Ok Typemoon I'll bite and just assume Jeanne can predict the future for now.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't future visions part of her legend?

hoshino_crimsonwings · 2017-07-31, 03:47

Maaya Sakamoto's voice is so beautiful.

AC-Phoenix · 2017-07-31, 03:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dengar

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't future visions part of her legend?

Not sure, we never got much ito legendary aspects but rather stayed at facts in school. Even if we did though that was like... 14 years+ ago? damn I'mn getting old ><

Sheba · 2017-07-31, 04:46

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Originally Posted by Dengar

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't future visions part of her legend?

She took up arms becuz she "heard voices". This shit was enough for the brits and their allies to get her burned. Oh, that she dressed up as a man.

gunner56 · 2017-07-31, 05:04

Maybe it is a possible representation of her Revelation skill.

Ultragunner · 2017-07-31, 06:50

Jeanne is best girl confirmed?

....and Astofol of course

Twi · 2017-07-31, 07:27

Review here. Rulers get broken skills because they're meant to mediate the wars. Jeanne "Heard the voice of God" and led her allies in accordance with it, but afterwards she got screwed and martyred because of... well, actual history but you can guess why. According to wikipedia, the charges were claimed false around two decades after her death and the one who condemned her was declared of heresy. A little late for that, considering she'd died already, but okay.

There's an in-series explanation for the voices, but I'm not sure if it'll be covered here and I don't want to spoil so I'd suggest looking up Ruler on the Type-MOON wikia if you really want to know. But it can be summed up in one word: EMIYA.

Sheba · 2017-07-31, 07:51

Jeanne's mom asked for her late daughter to be cleared of her charges, rightly so since the trial was pretty much Stalinian in nature. Poor girl was illeterate, so it was easy for her accusers to trick her into signing whatever confession they forced upon her.

The Church made her one of the saint Patrons of France in early 20th century.

It's just sad that she's not as popular as she used to be, because our local brand of liberals are fucking globalists.

Twi · 2017-07-31, 07:56

Probably would have tortured her too in order to get a confession. It wouldn't be out of place, if I think I've got the time-frame right.

John117xCortana · 2017-07-31, 08:21

She knows that he will eventually be drawn into this war, that it is inevitable but despite that she's willing to give it her all for that tiny bit of chance so that it doesn't happen.

Normally it'd say that this is foolish and pointless. But seeing her so determined and sincere.....I can't help but wanting to support her.

Incest Emblem · 2017-07-31, 08:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Heh, and people chastised me when I unconsciously called Astolfo "she" back then

. I think my mistake is pretty understandable when a character as good as Ruler from the same freakin' universe also mistook him for a girl

.

Alternatively, Astolfo is a girl in the anime: A flat girl who uses boku.

John117xCortana · 2017-07-31, 08:33

Is it just me or do I see more of Inaho Kaizuka of Aldnoah Zero in Sieg?

The voice is pretty obvious, same voice actor. But the mannerism is a bit familiar.

Kanon · 2017-07-31, 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by belatkuro

Heh, Ruler referred to Rider as 彼女(kanojo). It's a female pronoun. Meaning she mistook Astolfo as a girl

I noticed that too

But who can blame her? He totally looks and sounds like a girl. If I hadn't known any better, I would have initially assumed he was just another genderbent historical figure. He is quite the fearsome trap to be able to fool even the servant Ruler.

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2017-07-30, 14:29	Link #2
SKP2017 Junior Member Join Date: May 2017	OMFG, I finally get to see astolfo getting nailed! 10/10! __________________ Visit my page at http://girlyboysalliance.mozello.com/ for an eye-opening world of TRAPS

2017-07-30, 20:32	Link #3
AC-Phoenix Detective Join Date: Aug 2010 Age: 36	Ok Typemoon I'll bite and just assume Jeanne can predict the future for now. __________________ Those who forget about the past are condemned to repeat it - Santayana Sidenote: I'm seemingly too dumb for my current keyboard, so if you see the same character twice in a row, when it doesn't belong there just ignore it.

2017-07-30, 21:55	Link #5
bakato Senior Member Join Date: May 2014	I do not like these changes. Vlad and co.'s confrontation with Jeanne was dull and what the hell did they do with the JeannexSieg shipping? __________________ Jcafe is up!

2017-07-31, 03:47	Link #9
hoshino_crimsonwings Senior Member Join Date: May 2006	Maaya Sakamoto's voice is so beautiful. __________________

2017-07-30, 20:52	Link #4
ReddyRedWolf Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006	Kay while Siegfried was the opposite of Shirou it seems Jeanne has a vision Sieg will become another hero. And being a hero sucks. It looks everybody is going for the dangerous mother an daughter pair. Sieg will probably be dragged in it due to the chaos they bring. Vlad is understanding at least of Astolfo. He seems lenient on Christian heroes like him and Jeanne. Claus makes a good observation that the relationship of a Master and Servant needs communication than just orders. Fran is Moe as ever. Rejoice! The war is over and won! What the hell did you do Shirou? Looks like he brainwashed the other masters now he'll get their command spell except for Mordred's which Sisigo has. The way I see it are two freelancers, two teams, and team referee.

2017-07-30, 22:36	Link #6
belatkuro Kuro-chan Join Date: Mar 2012	Heh, Ruler referred to Rider as 彼女(kanojo). It's a female pronoun. Meaning she mistook Astolfo as a girl

2017-07-31, 05:04	Link #12
gunner56 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: USA	Maybe it is a possible representation of her Revelation skill. __________________ FGO ID: [JP] Mike - 384,848,033; [NA] Michael - 447,119,031

2017-07-31, 06:50	Link #13
Ultragunner Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2012	Jeanne is best girl confirmed? ....and Astofol of course __________________

2017-07-31, 07:27	Link #14
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Review here. Rulers get broken skills because they're meant to mediate the wars. Jeanne "Heard the voice of God" and led her allies in accordance with it, but afterwards she got screwed and martyred because of... well, actual history but you can guess why. According to wikipedia, the charges were claimed false around two decades after her death and the one who condemned her was declared of heresy. A little late for that, considering she'd died already, but okay. There's an in-series explanation for the voices, but I'm not sure if it'll be covered here and I don't want to spoil so I'd suggest looking up Ruler on the Type-MOON wikia if you really want to know. But it can be summed up in one word: EMIYA. __________________

2017-07-31, 07:51	Link #15
Sheba RUN, YOU FOOLS! Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat, the Astral Express & the Outpost Age: 44	Jeanne's mom asked for her late daughter to be cleared of her charges, rightly so since the trial was pretty much Stalinian in nature. Poor girl was illeterate, so it was easy for her accusers to trick her into signing whatever confession they forced upon her. The Church made her one of the saint Patrons of France in early 20th century. It's just sad that she's not as popular as she used to be, because our local brand of liberals are fucking globalists.

2017-07-31, 07:56	Link #16
Twi Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2011	Probably would have tortured her too in order to get a confession. It wouldn't be out of place, if I think I've got the time-frame right. __________________

2017-07-31, 08:21	Link #17
John117xCortana Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	She knows that he will eventually be drawn into this war, that it is inevitable but despite that she's willing to give it her all for that tiny bit of chance so that it doesn't happen. Normally it'd say that this is foolish and pointless. But seeing her so determined and sincere.....I can't help but wanting to support her.

2017-07-31, 08:33	Link #19
John117xCortana Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010	Is it just me or do I see more of Inaho Kaizuka of Aldnoah Zero in Sieg? The voice is pretty obvious, same voice actor. But the mannerism is a bit familiar.