(L) Claymore Manga

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by Reaper9

I doubt Teresa will stick around lol. That being said, looks like the series is about to hit it's high point. I'm honestly conflicted on this chapter. But let's see how it all pans out.

Definitely the high point. Can't beat Teresa returning, no matter how you cut it. So awesome. Soooooo awesommmmmee.

[ShiroiRyu]

Oh man for the menage à trois ...
For the kiss, it's was with the fight with Ophelia.
Volume 6 or 7 ...
Yes it's a lot.

[Esclair]

Originally Posted by itisjustme

I wonder if Teresa of the not so faint pwnage is in a complete state now or if she can awaken herself, which would be a curious idea, an AB that awakens again. :P

Veering into some DBZ territory there...

[Mizuno]

Mama Mia, Goddess Teresa! Please erect her a shrine.

[ukulelembo]

Originally Posted by itisjustme

That would be an awesome menage a trois.

Originally Posted by ShiroiRyu

Oh man for the menage à trois ...

As much I hope for this as well the more I have a bad feeling that after this fight Teresa disappears forever, take claymore abilities with her and Clare becomes a normal human again.

[itisjustme]

Originally Posted by ukulelembo

As much I hope for this as well the more I have a bad feeling that after this fight Teresa disappears forever, take claymore abilities with her and Clare becomes a normal human again.

But but but, who's going to provide the advices and comments of a mature Onee-san then?!

[ellifeedn]

What if Teresa is reincarnated as Raki and Clare's child?

[GundamZZ]

haha

Yagi is following the current manga trend. One of the manga character makes readers bewildered readers by telling the awkward joke. Yet, the mood is still serious. Clare's inner self cries as a little girl. Her image is back to a little girl.

Teresa's reason for punching Raki is, "When thinking Clare's virginity is going to lose to this brat, I get upset. But, she finally finds a good man and partner(s)".

Galatea's comment about Teresa is "strong yet quiet...no... cannot determine the strength...it is as showing a calm ocean without the storm...what type of yoki is it...I don't know anyone with this yoki..."
Galatea's meeting with Teresa(as if) would be intersting. They are probably speak teasing phrase all the time.

[Solace]

Originally Posted by ukulelembo

As much I hope for this as well the more I have a bad feeling that after this fight Teresa disappears forever, take claymore abilities with her and Clare becomes a normal human again.

I'd hate to see the magical explanation for this. Teresa is literally part of Clare, and has been since the transplant. At best Teresa could go dormant again, but Clare is a Claymore and will be until she dies. I don't see this as a one off thing, but a culmination of the themes Yagi has built on with the Soul Link, the Destroyer, and the Organization reviving the dead using Priscilla's regeneration powers.

If this is a "last time I'll appear" deal, I'll be bummed.

Still, best chapter in a very long time.

[Prongs]

It's not only Clare that missed Teresa. me toooo. maybe it's true that priscilla is stronger than teresa. but Teresa is far more experienced..

[Nesty]

Originally Posted by Repelsteeltju

Claymore discussion has really declined since it lost it's own forum here.

still reading the manga and all the post here. won't leave lol

[thundrakkon]

I never really understood the debate concerning who is stronger between Priscilla and Teresa. To me, it was always obvious that Teresa was heads stronger than Priscilla. Everyone that I know that watched Claymore the anime thought it was obvious that Teresa was stronger as well.

The final straw is at the end of current chapter. The author himself stated that Teresa was the strongest warrior ever on the final page of the current chapter.

Now, an argument could be made that Priscilla has grown stronger through the years, since warriors generally grow stronger through time. Hence, the organizations have wanted warriors to die off before they get too strong. Maybe, with this line of logic, Priscilla was able to close the gap between herself and Teresa. Otherwise, I really didn't understand the logic of people claiming Priscilla was stronger, and the author reinforced the notion of Teresa's strength this chapter.

[itisjustme]

The argument for Priscilla being stronger is that a couple characters in the manga (don't remember if the anime says this as well) commented that Priscilla had the potential to be more powerful than Teresa. The first time they clash someone else comments that Teresa senses this and she's going to finish Priscilla before the latter can become a real threat to her. Awakening is supposed to make you reach your full potential. Hence awakened Priscilla (who isn't a warrior anymore) is stronger than Teresa. Awakened Priscilla also killed Teresa, that can't be disputed, whatever the circumstances.

That said the "Priscilla's potentially stronger" theory is really a conjecture from a few characters afaik. I took it more in a sense of "Priscilla's ceiling's really high" instead of "her battle level will be 9000 pts higher than Teresa's on my DBZ scouter." No one really knew how strong Teresa was (since she never fought at nearly full power) and no one would know her potential. We also don't know if the present Teresa is exactly the same as she was before she died. We'll see either way pretty soon anyway so debating now's pretty pointless. :P

[thundrakkon]

Thanks for the explanation, itisjustme. I can see where certain people can make an argument concerning that reasoning. I always figured that the author repeatedly state that Teresa was intentionally hiding her true potential from everybody, so even if other warriors gave opinions concerning Teresa, they really didn't know how strong she truly was. The warriors based their opinion on what they've seen as they've perceived as Teresa's true powers, but Teresa has been intentionally hiding her true strength.

So even if the warriors might have thought that Teresa was eventually going to be overcome by Priscilla, they were basing it off of a fake, low power level that Teresa wanted everyone to see. Her fake level is only a fraction of her true potential, and that fake level was supposed to be slightly weaker than Priscilla's true potential. Hence, why I never understood the debates.

However, thanks for letting me know, and yes, it is a moot point right now. We really don't know what Teresa's true powers are at this point. It could be stronger or it could be weaker.

[Fenrir_valindri]

The issue with going off Teresa hiding her true power to justify her being far stronger then Priscilla is that Teresa herself considered Priscilla a serious threat.
More then anyone else, Teresa understood Priscilla's true potential, using phrases like "its scary" or "monster" when referencing her potential power while fighting. Hence why she even considered finishing her off, before she could be a real problem.

Not to mention, it is hardly like the Organization had that great of an idea of Priscilla own potential power either, considering everyone got fooled by Isley's lie about defeating her.

Either way, both their potential powers are far beyond that of anyone else, they are both the only people in that weight class, so its hard to say Priscilla actually being stronger or not will matter.
If someone can lift 120lbs, and other can lift 125lbs, it isn't really a significant gap at that point.

[thundrakkon]

If Teresa understood Priscilla's true potential while the others did not, it is already saying a lot about how strong Teresa is.

Also, I do understand Teresa's fear. Take for example, a #4 warrior does have the potential to defeat a #2 in the organization given the right strategy and circumstances. So yeah, Priscilla could defeat Teresa given the right circumstances or carelessness, which is probably what Teresa thought at the time.

[Fenrir_valindri]

That really wasn't the impression I got from what Teresa was thinking, she said she wasn't sure if she would come out on top if she faced a more seasoned Priscilla.

This also takes place while Teresa is fighting Priscilla one on one.

If anything, Teresa referring to Priscilla as a monster says a lot more about Priscilla then it does her.

[thundrakkon]

I had to go back and look in my books to check on what you referred to. A few things I noticed. First, Ilena stated that Priscilla's latent powers could exceed Teresa. Then, a few chapters later, Ilena admits that she misjudged and underestimated Teresa, which makes her original claim null and void. She really doesn't know how strong Teresa really is.

Another point is, although Teresa instantly was able to sense Priscilla's strength, Priscilla was not able to do the same with Teresa. That in itself already tells you the gap between them.

As for your points on what Teresa said, she said there is monster "inside" Priscilla. She also says that she can defeat Priscilla right now, but next time, who knows. That is not a declaration that Priscilla is stronger. It is just a statement of uncertainty, whereas right now, it is certain. As for the monster she is referring to, she is not specifically saying that Priscilla will become a monster, but more that she harbors a monster inside. In my interpretation, it meant that she harbors anger and bloodlust, which can make her unpredictable and a danger to all. Put that all together, and you get my #2 vs #4 statement.

Of course, the latest chapter reconfirmed it by outright stating that Teresa is the strongest warrior in history.

[Gooral]

@Fenrir
Of course she considered Priscilla a serious threat but she's never said that Priscilla might surpass her (not saying that you said it now, although you've been saying this for years). Teresa knew there would be no bigger threat to her than a second strongest being (it was similar with Isley and Rigaldo - Isley had to always be on guard because of him, hence Rigaldo said that he has no opening, otherwise he would have exploited it). But all of that was referring to 0% Teresa and a monster within Priscilla which was further proven when 80%+ Priscilla performed her sneaky attack on 0% Teresa and killed Teresa.

There is also the fact that when Teresa said that, Priscilla still hasn't released her youki and even best youki sensors (including Galatea who couldn't sense Priscilla in Rabona even though she was the strongest AB, and Renee who sensed her only at point blank range, so imagine how cloaked Claymore Priscilla had to be) couldn't sense her. I imagine even Teresa could only guess at that point. Notice though that once Priscilla released her youki Teresa said that she can come at her as many times as she wants, she will never defeat her. Why would you believe Teresa who could only guess at the start and not Teresa who could sense Priscilla at a released state?
Also, the fact that Teresa used only 10% youki against 80% Priscilla suggests that Teresa had a perfect grasp of how powerful Priscilla was and how much youki she needs to defeat her. Otherwise she would go all out and release as much youki as she could to make sure that she could defeat Priscilla. The fact that she had 80%+ Priscilla on her knees shows that. It's another matter that Yagi made an idiot out of her and made her believe that she wants to die as a human and for some unknown reason lower her guard (and youki) - this in fact proves that it was needed for Priscilla to kill Teresa, otherwise it would end in an entirely different way.

What's more (and I've been saying it for years) Irene sensed a glimpse of Teresa's power for the first time when she saw her fight with Priscilla in a secluded area (thus only now her words mean something, earlier she could only sense outer layer of Teresa's youki and guess), after she released her youki (she had never had a chance like that before) and understood who was the boss there. What's more, when talking to Clare she told her: "There's not a warrior alive today who can stop her". She couldn't have known any "today" warriors or their capabilities since she was in hiding ever since her encounter with Priscilla. So if she didn't know them her statement wouldn't make any sense unless there was a warrior that was capable of defeating awakened Priscilla. And we know she she didn't know about present warriors because of her encounter with Ophelia and Raphaela (it also suggests that she basically knew only warriors from her own generation). She was surprised that warriors these days are so aggressive.
Irene specifically said that there's not a warrior alive today, which suggests that there was such warrior but he's dead now. I wouldn't see a point of her saying that if she didn't mean that (she didn't say - even Teresa was/would be no match to her or Priscilla is the most powerful being ever). Also she didn't try to stop Clare (and she clearly cared about her) by saying "if Teresa stood no chance you won't stand a chance either". It looked to me she wasn't 100% sure Clare would lose, most probably because of Teresa factor in Clare.

Originally Posted by Gernot's translation

信じられん - I can't believe it / Unbelievable
あのバカでかいプリシラの力を目の色が変わる程度の妖力解放で上回るだと
Are you saying that she exceeds that ridiculously large power of Priscilla's with a youriki release to the degree that the color of her eyes changes?

But I've been saying all of the above for years, using logical arguments whereas you've only been stating your opinion without any foundation. Anyway, current chapter has made it abundantly clear who is the strongest - at the last page and by emphasizing the fact that because of Clare Teresa got weaker and died (not to mention Teresa crushing Priscilla's heads - yes, they are Priscilla's heads now, with her youki and power, heck, Cassandra was resurrected thanks to her power).

@thundrakkon
I see you still have some doubts whether Claymore Teresa could defeat awakened Priscilla. I suggest you read the post I've mentioned a couple of pages back and you will see all the clues Yagi has left for us.

[Nvis]

Someone clarify to me that last chapter Clare was going to awaken, but was stopped by Teresa. So did Teresa awaken instead so right now she's actually an Awakened Being even though she looks like a Claymore?