(MFI) Zero no Tsukaima (second series) - Episode 4 Discussion / Poll

[Pellissier]

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[UPR]

now this was a ep worth watching.

[Kakosan]

OMG!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Good one!! Man, even not knowing what they talked about I couldn't erase the smile in my face. Situations were just hilarious.

I'll comment more once I watch the translation!

Spoiler:

Oh man... Louise and Siesta and then Louise and Saito , the girl is just experiencing everything in one day!

[Mentar]

Very nice conversion of the novels here

A solid 9 for a job very very VERY well done!

(though I pity Siesta a little bit ^_^

[Deathkillz]

i think i broke something while watching this...not sure what it is but i cant breathe

Spoiler:

bomb number 1
siesta and louise's yuri moment XD



bomb number 2
saito and eleanor



bomb number 3
just look at that face!!



then the reset button



i just loved this ep!

[garra113]

I adore this episode lol.... Ahhh the kiss :P Her sister is worse then lousie man.... 2 WHIPS!!!!!... Double the pain :P

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Mentar

Very nice conversion of the novels here

Really?

The only thing they didn't change about Louise's return home is the actual boat scene itself. Everything else is about as rushed and twisted as it gets from the novel. I know the anime was created with a focus on "love comedy", but at this rate, I'm willing to bet that little to none of the breathtaking heavy dramas from the great war will survive the anime transition (the Henrietta & Wales episode still left a little bit of hope in me).

Spoiler:

I could still stomach the fact that Louise and Saito was dragged back to her family by Elenor for some random reason (they didn't like the idea of students being trained or something), as opposed to the novel, where Louise and Saito returned to the La Valliere homeland to formally obtain permission to join the war effort (which, by the way, is still unmentioned in the anime). But some of the original contents just plain annoyed me.

My biggest beef has to do with how they made Siesta lie and say "Saito-san asked me to come here" when Louise questioned her on why she was in Saito's room. In other words, Siesta dropped the blame on Saito to take the heat off of herself.
Good job for making Siesta a bitch in the anime, Mr. script writer. Even though Siesta did some pretty bold things in the novel, she never went as low as this.

And I don't see why they couldn't have done the comedy scenes from the novel (ie. Siesta confronting Louise about the "chest size issue", or Siesta's explosive comments when she got drunk), instead of making up some predictable same-olds.

There are positives, such as the anime's portrayal of Kattleya and Elenor, which depicted their personalities perfectly. The boat confession scene in the end was also almost a direct lift out of the novel (besides the scene being much more brief and the boat's incredible drifting speed )

I'm sure the anime watchers will get a good smirk out of this one, but for a die hard novel fan like me, it's not a great sign of things to come.

Next week looks to be another anime original, will it get any better?

[Kakosan]

Originally Posted by garra113

I adore this episode lol.... Ahhh the kiss :P Her sister is worse then lousie man.... 2 WHIPS!!!!!... Double the pain :P

How are you supposed NOT to be a tsudere-type of girl with two sisters like them?!

[Darknemo2000]

Spoiler for Rant:

I actually agree with Sushi-Y, though I am far fom being Siesta's fan some more moments of her wouldn't have hurt also showig a little bit serious side to all this...

Now they are still trying to turn it into nothing more but comedy, which isnt that bad as the first season was nothing more but that but for that they will need to change the whole Zero No Tsukaima so drastically (as it gets more and more serious as the series goes) that you will not recognize it...

More so the actual novel bits won't suit in the anime at all (like episode 2) because it will feel too serious and too sudden, while it is nothing like that in Novels, in anime's silly and dumbed down version of it it will see somehow not right.

I would still give it 9 as I have actually expected them to do worse (No I have not much hope in JC Staff, specially after mediocre first season), so it wasn't that bad as I expected, yet not as good as it could be.

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Spoiler for Rant:

I am far fom being Siesta's fan

I haven't seen a single person who liked Siesta from the novels besides myself, so that's ok.

Spoiler for response to rant:

As for the anime's direction, I agree it's going off on another vector. The mood at around this point of the story (mid volume 6) became very serious as the war commenced, and rightfully so: it's a war between two great nations, after all. The atmosphere is tense everywhere. It gets even heavier as the story moves to the front lines. Of course, the comedy still remains, but the novel has always done a good job toning those down when seriousness is called for. So far, I haven't seen much of this in the anime.

I guess the anime was designed with lightheartness in mind, so I won't blame them if this is the direction they choose to go. But I really don't want to see this turn into another Higurashi season 1.

On an unrelated note

Spoiler:

I guess the Louise+Siesta kiss makes up for the Louise+Agnes kiss in the novel.

Where's my Saito+Henrietta make out scene, dammit

[Meichy]

OO I love this episode! so many kisses!XD! I like the way they do the scene between loiuse and saito(you can see all the perspectives of the boat...)Now that I think on it the first scene of the openining in first season was louise and saito kiss in the boat... One thing that is strange in this episode is when saito runs off louise's house that he jumps("flies") and catch louise,that her parents are looking at them, they're like oo good one!and his father only attacks him one time when he's far away..the anime staff could put a white tissue in their hands and make they say good bye and good voyage! and the mother is all the time o.o... XD! HERE ALL THE SCENE:::



but I like the epsiode and saito and louise are sooo cute in the carriage^^!

[Kazuma77]

hahaha the most funny episode till now... thier moment is so sweet...

Spoiler for saito&louise kiss:

Spoiler for thier "hug":

[Kakosan]

Originally Posted by Sushi-Y

I haven't seen a single person who liked Siesta from the novels besides myself, so that's ok.

On an unrelated note

Spoiler:

I guess the Louise+Siesta kiss makes up for the Louise+Agnes kiss in the novel.

Where's my Saito+Henrietta make out scene, dammit

Yeah, I guess so. But it's OK. Louise reaction was hilarious.

Spoiler:

Particularly the "mm?" thing when she touched something weird in "Saito" . I'm also waiting for that scene with Henrietta

[Xellos-_^]

So who did Louise inherit her S&M tendencies? We now know form her sisters that this defintely a family trait

[Kazuma77]

this anime goes strongly towards Ecchi gender... it wouldnt be a suprise for me if those two do it Saito looks like he is ready... and Louise felt it... something hard...

[Xellos-_^]

Originally Posted by Kazuma77

this anime goes strongly towards Ecchi gender... it wouldnt be a suprise for me if those two do it Saito looks like he is ready... and Louise felt it... something hard...

Wasn't it just her whip that she felt

[Seiryuu]

While this might not really live up to the novel, I definitely enjoyed it. I don't recall any mention of "hard", though I might have missed it... But I must admit I liked how Louise somehow decided to "reward" Saito by, if I understood it correctly, telling him he could touch any part of his mistress's body he wants. Particularly with her expression upon stating the reward and then her goofy grin after the interruption. And as far as the suggestion that they will "do it", I'd say it's pretty obvious both parties were ready and probably trying at that particular time. After all, I recall the sword saying "So close, partner, just a little longer and..."
I'll admit, though I haven't read the novels I would like to see this more serious, I do enjoy the humor too. That said, one thing I've learned about anime is it really isn't that hard for a story to suddenly jump from light to dark. One major event and there'll be no way back. It seems like the writers are just trying to switch a little more slowly, all the while exploiting any opportunity possible to continue their fanservice. And I think they'll be able to pull off at least some level of serious conflict within such an ecchi universe. I've seen plenty shows with tense danger along with more pantsu than you can count.

[Kazuma77]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

Wasn't it just her whip that she felt

no idea... we will see when sub version will come out... she was mouning quite pleased...

[solwyvern]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

i think i broke something while watching this...not sure what it is but i cant breathe

Spoiler:

bomb number 1
siesta and louise's yuri moment XD



bomb number 2
saito and eleanor



bomb number 3
just look at that face!!



then the reset button



i just loved this ep!

Sums it up quite well ^^,
God, I can't belive how much I enjoyed this episode. Also, what a great way to introduce Lousie's sisters.

Spoiler for fanart:

*still in shock at what happened in the boat.*
Wonder what would have happened if her parents weren't there.

[blitz1/2]

Siesta underwent so many personality changes. From passive to weird to path of agression.

I still think SiestaXSaito is best.

Extra: The Margery Daw version is here! (Eleonore) Both are blonde, both have anger problems, extra large busts and same VA, I think.