(L) Claymore Manga

[DragoZERO]

Good chapter. Haven't seen that technique in forever. Was really hoping Clare would have packed more of a punch, but it's hard to go against that alone. I do think if they all attacked together they could beat Cassandra.

And as for Dauful, pretty LOL. Makes sense that it'd be strong. Merging four different people together and all, lol.

Originally Posted by vansonbee

I see what you did there.

No mentions of Dauf.

He's actually referencing one of the greatest quotes of all time from an all time classic movie.

[shalala]

Originally Posted by Vmem

Curious that you mention the Dragonkin. here's a theory:

Could the appearance of stronger and more and more messed up fusion-type monsters (above Abyssal level) all be an attempt by the ABs to regain their original form:aka a pure Dragonkin?

So what your saying is that the Dragonkin flesh slowly take over its host and trys to become a fully size Dragonkin thus the fusion would be to gain more flesh. Could work. Seeing how so far there is only 3 fusions. The sisters that made destroyer. Pricilla and the Destroyer and now Rifal/Dauf. So each of them have now got a bit more Dragonkin in them. I wonder if the need to eat humans also come from the Dragonkin flesh.

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

My name is Inigo Riful. You killed my mother. Prepare to die.

Pricilla/Destroyer should then proceed to run.......in the direction of where Cassy is. :P

Originally Posted by vansonbee

Trying to make a cross between Salmon run, that happens every year to Cassandra going toward Priscella to be absorbed.

I see what you did there.

No mentions of Dauf.

I still don't get it. Yh I know the chapter does not mention Dauf but thats just my hutch in how Riful mk 2 came to be supper strong. that if of course you where refing to what I said before?

[Freya]

So Priscella absorbed the destroyer too? god dammit. Why isn't Clare any stronger? Well it showed she's stronger now since she's using her youki or w/e but come on.

[Vmem]

Originally Posted by Freya

So Priscella absorbed the destroyer too? god dammit. Why isn't Clare any stronger? Well it showed she's stronger now since she's using her youki or w/e but come on.

well, like you said, we're still waiting for a re-appearance of Teresa

To be honest, I find Teresa's strength so preposterous that she should just rest in Claire's memories. in life, she was the one who critically injured an halfway awakend Hysteria, when she had just barely graduated from the academy. Later on, Teresa goes on to fight and single-handedly slay a fully awakened Rosemary, who was No 1 before Teresa. Teresa does this while releasing a mere 10% of her yoki.

Thus, if Teresa was still around, even if Cassandra is strong for a No.1, Teresa would only need to release say 30% of her yoki to completely crush the awakened Cassandra. It is as Yagi reminded us in this chapter, as strong as Claire has gotten, she has just barely reached Irene's level. All in all, the current generation of Claymore's overall strength pales in comparison to Teresa's generation.

[tenchir]

Originally Posted by Freya

So Priscella absorbed the destroyer too? god dammit. Why isn't Clare any stronger? Well it showed she's stronger now since she's using her youki or w/e but come on.

No, Priscilla and the Destroyer are still locked in combat right now for their merged body. The reason why everyone wants to stop Cassandra from reaching Priscilla is that with the added strength of an Abyssal, Priscilla will overcome the Destroyer and gain their combined power. This will make Priscilla pretty much unstoppable from that point on and everyone is screwed.

Originally Posted by Vmem

Thus, if Teresa was still around, even if Cassandra is strong for a No.1, Teresa would only need to release say 30% of her yoki to completely crush the awakened Cassandra. It is as Yagi reminded us in this chapter, as strong as Claire has gotten, she has just barely reached Irene's level. All in all, the current generation of Claymore's overall strength pales in comparison to Teresa's generation.

No, she said that her quicksword technique is as powerful as Irene, not that she is now on the same level as Irene. Claire's overall strength should already surpassed that of Irene with her ability to sense youki(from Teresa), her Windcutter technique(Flora), and battle experience/techniques inherited from Rafaela.

[Finre]

i am more interested in which form they concieved that child

[Mizuno]

In their awakened forms of course.



Rumor has it that people have heard strange cries on occasional nights coming from the far west of Rabona. They say it sounded like as if a grown man is on the receiving end of a violent whip. No one dared to seek out the source due to the danger of yoma lurking about.

[Vmem]

Originally Posted by tenchir

No, she said that her quicksword technique is as powerful as Irene, not that she is now on the same level as Irene. Claire's overall strength should already surpassed that of Irene with her ability to sense youki(from Teresa), her Windcutter technique(Flora), and battle experience/techniques inherited from Rafaela.

While what you say makes perfect sense given the story thus far, it's still hard to accept given what we know about Teresa. was she really that far ahead of irene? I mean, I'm aware that Teresa took on Irene and the rest in a 1v4 and still won, but I would say Irene should at least be between 20-30% of Teresa's power. and here, we have Clare being compared to a fly buzzing around the awakened Cassandra, something Teresa should be able to solo on her own

[shalala]

Originally Posted by Vmem

While what you say makes perfect sense given the story thus far, it's still hard to accept given what we know about Teresa. was she really that far ahead of irene? I mean, I'm aware that Teresa took on Irene and the rest in a 1v4 and still won, but I would say Irene should at least be between 20-30% of Teresa's power. and here, we have Clare being compared to a fly buzzing around the awakened Cassandra, something Teresa should be able to solo on her own

Clare quicksword is now on par with Irene Quicksword and it took her 7 years to just get it to that state with the help of Irene arm. Which she got by learning and mastering the Flora's windcutter which is similar to the quicksword but harder to use if you don't have the strength for it.

Also Clare does have only 1/4th of Yoma flesh which she got from Teresa. Still Teresa would have clearly taken out Cassy if she was still alive given her strength and the amount of awk ones and ab she taken out. If we are lucky maybe Irene will come back into the game seeing how we don't know if she died or not. But she would be armless

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by shalala

Clare quicksword is now on par with Irene Quicksword and it took her 7 years to just get it to that state with the help of Irene arm. Which she got by learning and mastering the Flora's windcutter which is similar to the quicksword but harder to use if you don't have the strength for it.

Also Clare does have only 1/4th of Yoma flesh which she got from Teresa. Still Teresa would have clearly taken out Cassy if she was still alive given her strength and the amount of awk ones and ab she taken out. If we are lucky maybe Irene will come back into the game seeing how we don't know if she died or not. But she would be armless

Quick Sword! It's been so long that I forgot the original translation to that. MangaStream made it "high-speed sword." So lame.

And Clare does not have Irene's arm anymore. Her original body was lost when she merged with the Destroyer. I think that's how she is able to use the Quick Sword so well. The training probably helped, but I don't think she'd be able to achieve it on her own because she is only 1/4 yoma.

[germanturkey]

haha. i was thinking the same thing. "high speed sword doesn't sound quite right.."

[shalala]

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Quick Sword! It's been so long that I forgot the original translation to that. MangaStream made it "high-speed sword." So lame.

And Clare does not have Irene's arm anymore. Her original body was lost when she merged with the Destroyer. I think that's how she is able to use the Quick Sword so well. The training probably helped, but I don't think she'd be able to achieve it on her own because she is only 1/4 yoma.

...What do you mean she no longer has Irene arm any more. Not only that Clare was not able to use the quicksword as well as Irene when she used her own arm it was no way near as good because she lack control. She also would not have been able to master it if she was using her arm. That is why Irene had cut of Clare half arm and gave her arm to Clare. It also gave Clare half the speed and power of Irene thus she was able to use the Quicksword. So if Irene and Galatea had jump inside the destroyer they would have gone their arms and eyes back? Not only that Clare promised to give back Irene arm back.

[Vmem]

Originally Posted by shalala

Clare quicksword is now on par with Irene Quicksword and it took her 7 years to just get it to that state with the help of Irene arm. Which she got by learning and mastering the Flora's windcutter which is similar to the quicksword but harder to use if you don't have the strength for it.

Also Clare does have only 1/4th of Yoma flesh which she got from Teresa. Still Teresa would have clearly taken out Cassy if she was still alive given her strength and the amount of awk ones and ab she taken out. If we are lucky maybe Irene will come back into the game seeing how we don't know if she died or not. But she would be armless

Since you brought up Irene, didn't she say it would take her 1-2 years to regenerate that arm? well, it's been 7 years, she should have both arms now if she's still alive

Now, I want to examine this whole 1/4 yoma thing a bit more closely because we've been given a lot more info on the whole process now than ever-before:

Human+Dragonkin = regular Yoma, they're stronger than humans, but weakest in the monster power ladder. they hunger for guts and has a humanoid monster form (and they seem to be able to take over the forms of other humans?). these guys have very low yoki

yoma + human = Claymore. if you look at the above combination, a Claymore is really 2/3 human and 1/3 Dragonkin. somehow, this combination allows the Claymore to retain a lot more of their human side, while still having yoma powers through an energy known as yoki. they amount of yoki a Claymore can tap into seems a bit random and I'm not sure if it grows with training etc.

If the Claymore release over 80% of their yoki, they become an Awakened Being. now these guys seems to be much more like the dragonkin than human, and generally have enormous amounts of yoki/power compared to your average yoma or claymore. Perhaps we can say the release of all that yoki took over the "human body", and transformed it into a more Dragonkin like being?

Destroyer = the Destroyer is some weird fusion of an AB and a Claymore, both very powerful. the Destroyer's signature move forms a halo like ring above its head and shoots out rods that takes over whatever life it touches. everything it takes over becomes AB/Dragonkin like until they're sucked dry of their life-force. this all seems to fit well with the above theory of Dragonkin energy (similar to yoki), taking over humans/lifeforms and making it more monster-like.

Lastly, we have Clare, who, going by the above theory, would be 5/6 human and 1/6 Dragonkin. While this supposedly makes her weaker, we've seen no evidence that correlates a Claymore's power with the amount of yoma flesh (essentially post-processing Dragonkin flesh) implanted into a human. I think what makes a claymore strong or weak is actually their humanity's ability to suppress dragonkin urges and fully harness its power. in this regard, Clare should be a candidate to become the strongest Claymore ever

[DragoZERO]

Originally Posted by shalala

...What do you mean she no longer has Irene arm any more. Not only that Clare was not able to use the quicksword as well as Irene when she used her own arm it was no way near as good because she lack control. She also would not have been able to master it if she was using her arm. That is why Irene had cut of Clare half arm and gave her arm to Clare. It also gave Clare half the speed and power of Irene thus she was able to use the Quicksword. So if Irene and Galatea had jump inside the destroyer they would have gone their arms and eyes back? Not only that Clare promised to give back Irene arm back.

Clare's body was broken down and merged with the Destroyer and reconstructed. Then she merged with the Destroyer and Priscilla again. Therefore, her arm and her body is not original anymore. She also had to be treated after the second time as proof that her body was broken down.

Now that I think about it, since she did not need treatment after merging with the Destroyer maybe her body wasn't merged with it. I interpreted it as such. Any other views?

Originally Posted by Vmem

Since you brought up Irene, didn't she say it would take her 1-2 years to regenerate that arm? well, it's been 7 years, she should have both arms now if she's still alive

Yeah, she would have arms equal to that of a human. But, I'll bet she is dead.

[shalala]

Originally Posted by Vmem

Since you brought up Irene, didn't she say it would take her 1-2 years to regenerate that arm? well, it's been 7 years, she should have both arms now if she's still alive

Now, I want to examine this whole 1/4 yoma thing a bit more closely because we've been given a lot more info on the whole process now than ever-before:

Human+Dragonkin = regular Yoma, they're stronger than humans, but weakest in the monster power ladder. they hunger for guts and has a humanoid monster form (and they seem to be able to take over the forms of other humans?). these guys have very low yoki

yoma + human = Claymore. if you look at the above combination, a Claymore is really 2/3 human and 1/3 Dragonkin. somehow, this combination allows the Claymore to retain a lot more of their human side, while still having yoma powers through an energy known as yoki. they amount of yoki a Claymore can tap into seems a bit random and I'm not sure if it grows with training etc.

If the Claymore release over 80% of their yoki, they become an Awakened Being. now these guys seems to be much more like the dragonkin than human, and generally have enormous amounts of yoki/power compared to your average yoma or claymore. Perhaps we can say the release of all that yoki took over the "human body", and transformed it into a more Dragonkin like being?

Destroyer = the Destroyer is some weird fusion of an AB and a Claymore, both very powerful. the Destroyer's signature move forms a halo like ring above its head and shoots out rods that takes over whatever life it touches. everything it takes over becomes AB/Dragonkin like until they're sucked dry of their life-force. this all seems to fit well with the above theory of Dragonkin energy (similar to yoki), taking over humans/lifeforms and making it more monster-like.

Lastly, we have Clare, who, going by the above theory, would be 5/6 human and 1/6 Dragonkin. While this supposedly makes her weaker, we've seen no evidence that correlates a Claymore's power with the amount of yoma flesh (essentially post-processing Dragonkin flesh) implanted into a human. I think what makes a claymore strong or weak is actually their humanity's ability to suppress dragonkin urges and fully harness its power. in this regard, Clare should be a candidate to become the strongest Claymore ever

I reread the Irene arc and she said that if she starts regenerating as of then she would have a normal arm in around 1-2 months. So your right she would have gotten her self a new right arm in them 7 years as she is clearly alive untill proven wrong. As for her left I guessing it no longer able to be regenerated given the long period of time its been cut of. So I think she didn't want to regenerate it for A) At that time she was running away from the org and couldn't do so as it would release Yoki and B)She no longer remember it form if she try to do it now or C)The fear of Pricilla when she lost her arm is stopping her from regenerating it. Like Jean mind block for Clare. Plus given the fact that she was a Atk type claymore would also make it near impossible to get her left arm back. That what I think. This is what I think based on what I read. Chapter 79 page 4 would give you info on the regen part.

So what your saying is the less Dragonkin they have the stronger they are due to being able to suppress the dragonkins flesh/urges. If that is the case then Isley would have clearly been the strongest of all claymores given that he willing choose to go over the limit of 80% just to see what it would be like and kept pretty much all his human side after killing so many AB based off the info from chapter 132. I hope he is still alive. Also a few of the ghost 7 have Half awaken so what would make them? Given that if awaking gives you more power but you lose your humanity. Would Half Awakened give you stronger abilities instead of power as that as been the case with Maria, Helen, Dr Deneve and a few others. All their abilities became stronger. Because Clare has half awakened a lot of times and all of that time she had has Irene arm. So would that give her more DK flesh? And also Jean who fully awakened but her mind had not would that make her a ab or a half awakened. Not only that do you think Claymore would retain other Claymore ability's if they where given dead claymore flesh? As I think that was how Clare was able to learn Yoki Sensing.

I would agree that the amount of Yoki that one person has in random as some have had more then others. Like Isley who was by far the strongest gen 1 warrior who power gap could not even be matched even if all the gen 1 warriors took him on. Miata who can kill yoma with her bare hands and has potential in being a No. 1. The goddess Teresa who killed the former number 1 Rosemary with a mare 10% of yoki release and Would have clearly beaten Pricilla if she release more of her yoki. Among others. I do think the their power lv goes up the more they train this has been shown when the 7 year gap and when they half awakened.

So would Riful/Dauf and Pricilla/Destroyer be consider a Dragonkin. Given that in theory it may well be Riful who a very strong AB and Dauf who was also a strong AB had also powered up with 3 Destroyer rods thus making him far more stronger and more dragonkin. And until we are proven other wise Riful could have clearly fused with Dauf given the strong bond they had. Plus the fact that she said I hate you to Pricilla/Destroyer. So she may have retained all her memorys after the fusion.

But then what makes the feeders. How much flesh do they have. Would they be seen as Dragonkin because they are quite powerful.

Originally Posted by DragoZERO

Clare's body was broken down and merged with the Destroyer and reconstructed. Then she merged with the Destroyer and Priscilla again. Therefore, her arm and her body is not original anymore. She also had to be treated after the second time as proof that her body was broken down.

Now that I think about it, since she did not need treatment after merging with the Destroyer maybe her body wasn't merged with it. I interpreted it as such. Any other views?

Yeah, she would have arms equal to that of a human. But, I'll bet she is dead.

I also agree the first time (chapter 93) she comes out the destroyer her chest didn't have to be resealed. So I would take it that her body at that time was the same as before she was eaten up by it as Irene's arm was still be there but we see no scaring so maybe attaching other peoples limbs don't leave scars. Her body didn't change this is shown if you compare chapters 59 page 27-28, 60 page 2,4 with 100 page 27 when we see Clare Half Awakened fighting the Furry and Priscilla. You can she has still has Irene's arm which was wrapped in leather (to me it looks like leather) and if you compare both Awakened arms Irene's Half Awakened arm is much different looking then Clare's left arm. Irene arm has triangle/kite shape blades while Clare's has more of scaly shape blades. Kinda like the arms that you get in Prototype 2. So Irene arm could well be how it would look like if Irene had awakened. All that was changed was her mind. As Rafaela gave Clare her memory's/ ability and stuff she must know. I don't think that stuff she must know has been address. So maybe it's got something to do with the destroyer.

For the Second time I agree with what you said. Her body could well be much different then it was before she went inside. As she did need to be treated with that Long ass cut that goes right to their genitals. I wonder if that was why the bandits where horrified when Goddess Teresa showed them her scar? As we don't see how much she opened her clothes only the top half is showed pulled off. But this could also mean that the way they treat the wound could have been improved over time and what we see now on Clare could be a less ugly version. So I think given how long she was in there and the fact she needed treatment this could mean that she now has parts of the destroyer in her and that her body is now different then it was before. If so what would that make her? But I guess we will see if she still has Irene arm next time she half awakens.

Also I'll bet that she is alive.

[Qpax]

I still don't understand what happened to the Destroyer. Isn't she supposed to fight with Priscilla while Clare's gang trying to stop Casandra's body? I mean out of blue Riful's fused body with Dauf appeared and she started to fight againist Priscilla now. I am guessing that Priscilla just beaten the Destroyer and now fighting the same being at the same level (Riful's fused body). But even so... I think I am missing some pieces in the whole picture here. I guess I'll re-read the previous chapters again but the last time I saw the Destroyer was fighting with Priscilla in order to take over her body and gain new consciousness. Anyways I'm glad to see Riful in a weird form now is back and I don't think this thing is offspring from Riful and Dauf. She said "I hate you" so I am just assuming that this thing is the fused being just like the Destroyer but she is not mindless and now have gaol to destroy the her target, Priscilla. Because Dauf said something like if you touch Riful you will pay for this and I am also sure that Riful wasn't expected herself to die in the hands of Priscilla like this so she kind of big grudge againist her now. Looking forward to upcoming chapters so much in oder to get clear clarification on the matter at hand.

[shalala]

Originally Posted by Qpax

I still don't understand what happened to the Destroyer. Isn't she supposed to fight with Priscilla while Clare's gang trying to stop Casandra's body? I mean out of blue Riful's fused body with Dauf appeared and she started to fight againist Priscilla now. I am guessing that Priscilla just beaten the Destroyer and now fighting the same being at the same level (Riful's fused body). But even so... I think I am missing some pieces in the whole picture here. I guess I'll re-read the previous chapters again but the last time I saw the Destroyer was fighting with Priscilla in order to take over her body and gain new consciousness. Anyways I'm glad to see Riful in a weird form now is back and I don't think this thing is offspring from Riful and Dauf. She said "I hate you" so I am just assuming that this thing is the fused being just like the Destroyer but she is not mindless and now have gaol to destroy the her target, Priscilla. Because Dauf said something like if you touch Riful you will pay for this and I am also sure that Riful wasn't expected herself to die in the hands of Priscilla like this so she kind of big grudge againist her now. Looking forward to upcoming chapters so much in oder to get clear clarification on the matter at hand.

Priscilla and the destroyer are currently combined and are fighting a mental battle to see who gets control of the body. Cassandra who was brought back from the dead with the help of Priscilla arm that she embedded into Raki, Is being mind controlled by Priscilla (due to the fact that part of Priscilla yoki is in Cassandra) to go to her body. By doing so Priscilla would have more power then the Destroyer and would be able to beat it and thus winning the mental battle and winning the body which should be even more powerful given that the destroyer has merge with her and maybe Clare as well.

As for Riful/Dauf I agree that it would is a fused being of the 2 given their bond that they had and not the offspring of the two. Plus the fact that she went after Priscilla and what Priscilla did to Dauf. Plus to me Riful didn't die given the pictures but Dauf was clearly cut to pieces over and over again to the point where bits of him was laying around the area.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Qpax

I'm glad to see Riful in a weird form now is back and I don't think this thing is offspring from Riful and Dauf. She said "I hate you" so I am just assuming that this thing is the fused being

I don't see how saying "I hate you" would mean it isn't their offspring. They're not human, so it wouldn't be so farfetched for their offspring to inherit a bit of their memory or at least their resentment towards Priscilla.

[Qpax]

@shalala
Oh I see. Now she is mental battle with the Destroyer. Now it makes sense how Chronos wants to help Clare's group in order to stop fusion of Cassandra with Priscilla. If she is in mental battle with the Destroyer then Priscilla is in pinch now that she is facing with Riful's new form. She is as strong as Priscilla and if things are going in this way then I am sure she is going to get destroyed by the hands of Riful but I don't think so since Priscilla is the center enemy figure in the whole series. Either she will fly over to Cassandra's body and fused with her here or she will win mental battle and try to absorb Riful too in oder to get more powerful. If this happens then I wonder how Clare's group going to stop her. Because they are so powerless that they can't even stop Cassandra's body and that freak scientist guy made a comment how they are like a flies that swarms around a big prey but doesn't even effect it at all. I mean I am more concerned about the strenght of Miria's group. They are not as powerful as abyssal ones but they are on the suicidal mission right now even though Chronos group joined forces with them in order to prevent Priscilla to get more powerful. I mean their future is not that bright if they stay the way they are. It's obvious that in oder to defeat Priscilla or Riful's new form some big sacrifices must be made.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Qpax

Because they are so powerless that they can't even stop Cassandra's body and that freak scientist guy made a comment how they are like a flies that swarms around a big prey but doesn't even effect it at all.

The scientist is talking out his ass. He hasn't realized the only reason Clare didn't destroy Cassandra is that Miria specifically said they have to stop Cassandra alive, because her plan was to synchronize their yoki with Cassandra and make her fight Priscilla.

All in all, it's pretty obvious Clare does have the power to pummel Cassandra and she would do so if that was plan.