2013-01-19, 18:53 | Link #1241 |
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Burglars shot in southeast Oklahoma City, police said http://newsok.com/burglars-shot-in-s...headline_crime Police said five people were trying to burglarize a home at the 1500 block of SE 45 when the female homeowner shot one of them with her gun.
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2013-01-19, 19:03 | Link #1242 | |
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It is the evil person whose responsible for the gun death, and not the gun itself, but it's impossible for us to cure the evil that lies in men's hearts. The next best thing is to neuter people so they lack the means to carry out their intended plans. A lot of it comes down to a difference of opinion, one group views gun ownership as a right, the other as a privilege, similar to driving a car. If you were a known reckless driver, who had caused many car related deaths and accidents in the past, most people would argue that that person should not be allowed to use a car. Likewise, if you're a person likely to have evil intentions (EG by being mentally ill, or a known criminal), then those people should be restricted from having privilege of owning a gun to deal death with. Quote:
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And why shouldn't people be able to keep Nerve Gas? It's not the Nerve Gas that kills, it's the person that released the Nerve Gas. Why shouldn't law abiding citizens be allowed to use Nerve Gas to defend their homes and families? Quote:
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But it might be correct to secure the other more important civic rights first before regulating guns further. Quote:
The idea was to construct a state with sufficient checks and balances that popular revolution would never be necessary. Popular revolution never leads to as good outcomes as gradual legislative change, and they were well aware of that. The American revolution was not a revolution in the way that the French Revolution was. There was no radical attempt to remake society along idealistic lines. |
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2013-01-19, 19:26 | Link #1244 | |
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2013-01-19, 19:45 | Link #1246 |
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Actually, there are thousands of such articles every year. The national corporate media simply doesn't cover it (and that includes the "local news" that is owned by those corporations - Belos, Clear Channel, Fox, Disney, etc).
Note that guns do not have to be fired to be effective - they have deterrence value. The sound of a shotgun being prepared for firing has caused many a home invader to reverse course.
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2013-01-19, 19:51 | Link #1247 | |
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In the rest of the world, only organised crime use them. Guns are too valuable for normal criminals to use. They are status symbols for people who know people. America is not the universe.
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2013-01-19, 21:08 | Link #1251 |
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I has an idea for how school shootings and the like can be prevented. Install full body scanners in every hallway of every public building. Program super advanced, accurate AI to shoot a powerful tranquilizer dart into the offending gun wielder the instant the presence of a gun is detected. The unconscious body can then be dragged somewhere to be interrogated once he or she wakes up to determine their motives. Voila! Shootings inside public buildings prevented forever.
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2013-01-19, 21:15 | Link #1252 | |||||||
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However, such a ruling would probably not be followed by the citzenry and thus we are back to the problem of revolution and the very real dangers of where that could lead (like a Christian Theocracy for example, not my idea of a nice place to live). Quote:
They based their view on what the founders had stated. Nerve Gas, nuclear weapons, or other weapons of mass destruction are not useful to the common defense since they inflict far more damage then they are worth. Thus the argument breaks down quickly since in no way is Nerve Gas a standard weapon used by police forces and/or infantry. So the idea that Nerve Gas has any relation to the common defense of the nation from a militia standpoint is untenable. Quote:
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The two are inseparable without amendment to the constitution. After all, the Federal government was formed by the US constitution. As for hate groups. If the hate group is comprised of US citizens, they have the right to keep and bear arms just like they have the right to speak their mind. If they break the law through murder, or other means, they loose the right. But since we are not a tyranny, the government does not have the power to deprive them of the right to keep and bear arms. The New Black Panther Party being a good example of a group that is a hate group, but its members are protected by the 2nd amendment. Quote:
We here in the US are much farther along though since we're corporatist at this point and Europe hasn't succumbed to that yet, but don't worry the EU is working on it. With that I'd say that citizens of western civilization should heed Johann Von Goethe when he said: "None are so hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free. The truth has been kept from the depth of their minds by masters who rule them with lies. They feed them on falsehoods till wrong looks like right in their eyes." Wise words. Quote:
Sam Adams and George Washington summed up the attitude quite well. Sam: “If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.” GW: Government is not reason; It is not eloquence; It is force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.” To be honest the founders didn't care what arms the citizens had, so long as those arms were on par with what the regular troops possessed in order to prevent the need for a revolt against tyranny. Remember, these men had just fought a war against a tyrant, they knew what that meant and sought to prevent Americans of the future from having to do what they did. Quote:
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2013-01-19, 21:16 | Link #1253 | |
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a Lot if you have been watching the news. They keep blaming the shootings on Video games.
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2013-01-19, 21:46 | Link #1257 | |
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- Marcus Brigstocke Of course, he meant it as tongue in cheek commentary because we like to blame everything for everything. Elvis corrupted the minds of young women. Rock and Roll was the devil. Dungeons and Dragons created mass murderers. Playing Chicago records backwards was satanic speech. Tim Allen Christmas movies were torture. To be fair, at least one of those holds some truth.
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If they even threaten to take up arms in order to threaten the government into changing the law, they should be put on trial for treason. Fortunately our armed forces are currently powerful enough to put down such domestic terrorists. The problem with the current talk around the second amendment is that it encourages this kind of thinking, the idea that you can intimidate the government in order to get your way. Quote:
The difference between nerve gas and guns is merely one of degree. There isn't a fundamental difference between the two (besides the fact that one is really over the top, but many would say the same of a machine gun). The question is where you put the post that seperates "necessary for the common defense" from "over the top weapon of mass destruction". Right now that line is around a rocket launcher, but there's no reason it could be shifted somewhat to include, say, all semi-automatic weaponry. Quote:
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Even if they're just a minority, they can still use deceit and intimidation to overcome the greater majority and take control of the state, like in Italy or Germany. If you want an education in how democracy is destroyed, reading about those two is quite informative. And if you get sustained paramilitary activity, where civil institutions are devalued in favor of physical force, you end out with Northern Ireland, which while it's come a long way, is still by far the poorest part of the British Isles, whereas in the past it was one of the wealthiest (many of Britain's greatest ships, including the Titanic, were built in Belfast). |
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